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  1. morvoran

    morvoran Trumpican
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    Yeah, it's me Donald J Trump. When I'm not in Twitter, I come to the greatest, most huuuugest gaming related website on the net to trigger pieces of Schiff like you.
    Other than that, you must be getting your info about the economy from MSDNC or you follow the democrat debates a little too closely where you have began to lose touch with reality. Maybe get out of your mom's basement (or attic) and go out and see how great the economy is for yourself.
     
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    I knew it!
     
  3. D34DL1N3R

    D34DL1N3R Nephilim
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    Lmao. Okay. Sure. Whatever. You said it yourself. Do you think most American's judge the economy by what Wall Street says? Get fucking real, bub. Smh. You DO realize right, that myself and anyone else can also post links to "proof" that those numbers mean jack shit? Why don't you just go away? No one outside of maybe 2 or three people here even like you. You're the laughing joke around here. You're pretty much hated. I can't see you having many friends outside of the internet.
     
  4. FGFlann

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    C'mon, this level of hostility isn't necessary. Especially for us mere mortals. Presidents come and go and it's not worth working yourself up into a frothing lather.
     
  5. Hanafuda

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    "Most Americans" have only their personal, subjective experience to go by, which isn't reliable or meaningful for anyone else. Stock market activity, employment numbers, and a few other statistics are the standard measures. The stock markets are booming, already showed that. Unemployment numbers are super good now, best they've been in decades, best they've ever been for certain demographics. But unemployment is not a super-reliable statistic since it only counts the willing workforce, and excludes those who aren't looking for work, so I didn't cite those numbers to show 'it's a strong economy.'

    I'll ignore the rest of your post, don't know if others will though. Not my problem.
     
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    Both are true.

    There is objectifiable truth (note - I didn't call it objective ;) ).
    And there are many subjective truths.

    (That we both call them truth, might be a language issue. ;))

    All the time, at the same time.

    Here is how 'you learn it as a journalist' (even as a police officer), if you ask any person to tell you 'the truth' about a situation or about a personal conviction - you usually get an emotionally informed recollection of events.

    (This issue: https://www.lexipol.com/resources/b...y-impacts-police-use-of-force-investigations/ (What is memory. In policework.) Just the first result I found on google.)

    So thats most of the truth thats out there.

    We are trying to get to objectifyable truth, mostly through processes (filtering that other truth above). So if you are talking about scientific truth, f.e. it is 'what cannot be refuted' in the light of informed opinion, and open discussion, using very exact language. As viewed through the lense of something called scientific canon.

    From a psychology angle the main issue might be, that truth gets formed 'post facto' (after the fact), and humans have all kinds of biases, in forming believes/assessments that help them 'exist'.

    If you are talking about 'legal truth' - well we can bring both forms of truth (subjective and objectified) together here using a simple analogy.

    Prisons are full of innocent people. (Both in their subjective truths, as well as objectifiably). (Might not always be the same people.)

    All that you are promised is a fair trial, not one where the truth comes out, ey? ;)

    The notion is everywhere in society, btw. So ask yourself why lawyers are legal, or why there is such a thing as 'the secret of confession'. ;)

    If there were one truth, those would be highly amoral concepts. :)

    That we feel very strongly, that there is something like THE truth, and that it is out there (Fox Mulder ;) ) is more of an emotional truth ('we feel it is there') and a story telling trope ('this society is just', 'truth prevails').

    Also, we have formalized rituals around it. ('Do you swear to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth..')

    Mind blown? ;)

    Now pursuing truth is still an important and valuable thing for society (its not at all 'useless'), but you should at least have an idea what it is (or what its limits are... ;) ) while you are looking for it. :) (Otherwise Fox Mulder - which also might have its charm, and be important.. ;) )

    edit: For easier use in real life. We usually call objectifyable truths - facts. ;)

    edit2: To be a little less 'big wordy' - it helps to have an idea, how human minds consistently fail (not as in bad) in doing some stuff, to not always go for highly emotional tropes (or when to go for them while arguing ;) ), and it also helps to know - that you can not be objectively right on most of your convictions. (In society this is f.e. encapsulated in the 'children have to make their own experiences' trope (context creates meaning).)

    You can also look at this as a deeply positive thing, because if life were a series of objective truths, progress would be darn hard, and it would be pretty boring. ;)
     
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  7. D34DL1N3R

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    The problem with you and the rest of the Trump losers is that you think all of your graphs, numbers, links, websites, facts, etc etc are all factual... while everyone else's are everything but. You believe a reality tv star who tells you moon is part of mars & that the noise from wind turbines causes ear cancer... over doctors, teachers, highly decorated military personnel, scholars, professors, etc. jokes on you sonny boy. As I've pointed out perfectly clear before. I can play the EXACT same game. I can post links, graphs, stats, polls, blah blah blah blah blah blah that would prove the oppositions to be wrong. But you wouldn't believe them anyway. You would only say yours are right and mine are wrong.

    You just don't get it & never will.
     
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    Those graphs are straight off CNBC dot com, hotshot. You can go right over there and check it yourself. But you're right, CNBC is probably controlled by Trump and it's all lies. The US economy isn't really booming and there weren't really 225,000 new jobs last month and the price of gas isn't expected to drop under $2 a gal in some places next week ... that is all a fictional constructed reality that doesn't really exist. It's not real life ... it's just what Trump has fooled me into believing is real. Because he's everywhere. He's a reality TV star ignoramus, but he's also a dastardly evil criminal mastermind!


    And, I changed my mind about ignoring your last post.
     
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    The whole thing is over. Theres really nothing more to discuss and things are starting to get out of hand. I think this thread has jumped the sharks.
     
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