Teens promise to fix "climate change" with great idea

[KingVamp]

Like most of the 'progressive', socialist-democrat platform, the "climate change" protest is an anti-Capitalist, anti-Western Culture movement. The goal is to handicap & damage capitalism by hanging the 'climate change' stone around its neck, while polluting socialist China and southeast Asia surge unabated. Those countries are the source of all that plastic waste you hear about in the Pacific, but they outlaw plastic straws in California. Yeah, that'll fix it.

So no, I don't see it as "it's all good either way."

The crew of the sailing ship that brought Greta Thunberg across the Atlantic flew back, while another crew flew over for the return trip. Her family is commie antifa. It's all B.S.

Oh, and Climate Change protests are what pollution looks like:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ed-hypocrites-leaving-litter-strewn-city.html

I'll start taking it more seriously when the people who are trying to tell me how to live start acting like it themselves. We had this discussion before. Turn off all your electric shit including the computer you're reading this on, and maybe I'll believe you.

"People and things aren't perfect and other people are doing wrong, so we shouldn't even try."

Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of the fossil fuels burning to generate the electricity to run the computer you're reading GBAtemp with.

Maybe we should work on getting companies and countries to move to cleaner energy so you can hear better. No wait, that's a conspiracy.

 

[Hanafuda]

"People and things aren't perfect and other people are doing wrong, so we shouldn't even try."

Idealism and immaturity is no way to deal with things.

Maybe we should work on getting companies and countries to move to cleaner energy so you can hear better. No wait, that's a conspiracy.

You mean like telling American corporations who have set up facilities in China they should move their shit back home?

 

[Lacius]

Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of the fossil fuels burning to generate the electricity to run the computer you're reading GBAtemp with.

1. You don't know where some of us are getting our electricity.
2. The fact that some of us are using fossil fuels to generate the electricity to visit this website with is irrelevant to whether or not human-caused climate change is a real concern. It's not hypocritical to talk about climate change while living in the modern world.

 

[KingVamp]

Idealism and immaturity is no way to deal with things.

Defeatism and tin foil hats is no way to deal with things either.

You mean like telling American corporations who have set up facilities in China they should move their shit back home?

Not sure what you are getting at. Whether here or aboard, they should be transitioning, if not already there, to green energy.

 

[morvoran]

And it's not so much denying climate change. Climate change is a definite reality of earth's existence. 400 years ago there was a 'little Ice Age.' The Thames River froze over so solid they put up buildings on it. What caused that? And if there's climate change in the other direction now, what's causing that? You cannot say with certainty it is caused by man. Correlation does not equal causation. Even more ridiculous is the idea that, if you are correct and we are causing this, that we could ever stop it. In terms of carbon footprint I am a grain of sand on the beach that is Al Gore & friends. 1700 private jets converge on Davos every year so the elite can 'confer' on climate change!?? Haha. When they all ride to Davos on donkeys, I'll start considering that they really believe this shit.

Unfortunately, things like truth and facts are overruled by these liberal idealists' feelings of "my leaders told me differently so I don't believe your facts" and "my emotions tell me it's getting warmer outside". If they see ice in a cup melting, they run for the hills.
It's also unfortunate that these people trying to "save the world" would destroy a whole forest just to save one tree, but at least they did a good thing today, right?

Good luck trying to show them the light, but until they take off their blinders, they will never see the truth. Just as with people like @Rolf12, most would rather make jokes while the world burns around them and point fingers at you while their leaders stab them in the back.

 

[Lacius]

Unfortunately, things like truth and facts are overruled by these liberal idealists' feelings of "my leaders told me differently so I don't believe your facts" and "my emotions tell me it's getting warmer outside". If they see ice in a cup melting, they run for the hills.
It's also unfortunate that these people trying to "save the world" would destroy a whole forest just to save one tree, but at least they did a good thing today, right?

Good luck trying to show them the light, but until they take off their blinders, they will never see the truth. Just as with people like @Rolf12, most would rather make jokes while the world burns around them and point fingers at you while their leaders stab them in the back.

Human-caused climate change is real. The Earth is getting hotter, and it's a direct result of burning fossil fuels and releasing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere at a rate the Earth has never seen before.

 

[morvoran]

Human-caused climate change is real. The Earth is getting hotter, and it's a direct result of burning fossil fuels and releasing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere at a rate the Earth has never seen before.

Check this out - here

Those who promote the belief in so-called "man-made climate change" may have a meltdown of their own upon learning this.

A ship carrying 16 "climate-change warriors" looking to document purported melting ice conditions got trapped in ice last week in the Hinlopen Strait, halfway between Norway and the North Pole.

 

[Lacius]

Check this out - here

Those who promote the belief in so-called "man-made climate change" may have a meltdown of their own upon learning this.

A ship carrying 16 "climate-change warriors" looking to document purported melting ice conditions got trapped in ice last week in the Hinlopen Strait, halfway between Norway and the North Pole.

The existence of ice at the poles doesn't do anything to counter the science that human-caused climate change is happening.

 

[Hanafuda]

Human-caused climate change is real. The Earth is getting hotter,

Conceded, possible anyway.

and it's a direct result of burning fossil fuels and releasing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere at a rate the Earth has never seen before.

Speculation. As I said above, correlation does not equal causation.

 

[DuoForce]

I don't deny climate change at all but I also agree with OP that this is pretty stupid. Protesting and/or refusing to have kids because of climate change is pointless and absurd

They don't speak for anyone. This is a HUGE minority. I want to have kids and I'm barely an adult (18) Websites need to stop making these into a big deal when hardly anyone is actually going through with it

 

[Lacius]

Conceded, possible anyway.





Speculation. As I said above, correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation. However, we know carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, we know the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is from burning fossil fuels, and we know it's what's causing the warming.

 

[Hanafuda]

Correlation does not equal causation. However, we know carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, we know the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is from burning fossil fuels, and we know it's what's causing the warming.

What caused the little ice age? What caused the medieval warm period?

 

[Lacius]

What caused the little ice age?

There were a lot of probable causes, but more importantly, we need to note that:

1. It wasn't a real ice age.
2. It probably wasn't global.
3. It didn't last long.

What caused the medieval warm period?

There were a couple probable causes, but more importantly:

1. It wasn't a real warming period (separate from the interglacial period we are in now).
2. It probably wasn't global.
3. It didn't last long.

We know why these events occurred, but the fact that these events occurred does not do anything counter the science of human-caused climate change.

 

[Dimensional]

There were a lot of probable causes, but more importantly, we need to note that:

1. It wasn't a real ice age.
2. It probably wasn't global.
3. It didn't last long.

There were a couple probable causes, but more importantly:

1. It wasn't a real warming period (separate from the interglacial period we are in now).
2. It probably wasn't global.
3. It didn't last long.

We know why these events occurred, but the fact that these events occurred does not do anything counter the science of human-caused climate change.

True, but it does leave open the possibility that there are other factors for the climate change that aren't human-caused, and there's the chance one of these factors is a bigger contributor to it than the burning of fossil fuels. While human-caused does appear to be the prevalent and most obvious cause to it all, there might be a few others. What if the Earth's orbit around the Sun isn't exactly how we thought? What if once every few thousand, or million years, the Earth is a little closer to the Sun than normal? That would take some research, which I'm sure has been done and discounted, but it's still a thought. What if there's more radiation coming from the sun, or stars, or even a black hole we haven't seen yet, that is making the surface of the Earth warmer than normal? Heck, what if aliens have secretly invaded, set up power plants all over the world to purposely pump green house gasses out to make the world hotter and livable for them? Yes, that last one is a reference to an old movie, and isn't a serious question. But I had to throw it in in the hopes everyone would get a small chuckle.

 

[Lacius]

True, but it does leave open the possibility that there are other factors for the climate change that aren't human-caused, and there's the chance one of these factors is a bigger contributor to it than the burning of fossil fuels. While human-caused does appear to be the prevalent and most obvious cause to it all, there might be a few others. What if the Earth's orbit around the Sun isn't exactly how we thought? What if once every few thousand, or million years, the Earth is a little closer to the Sun than normal? That would take some research, which I'm sure has been done and discounted, but it's still a thought. What if there's more radiation coming from the sun, or stars, or even a black hole we haven't seen yet, that is making the surface of the Earth warmer than normal? Heck, what if aliens have secretly invaded, set up power plants all over the world to purposely pump green house gasses out to make the world hotter and livable for them? Yes, that last one is a reference to an old movie, and isn't a serious question. But I had to throw it in in the hopes everyone would get a small chuckle.

There are a ton of factors that affect climate. I'm not suggesting otherwise. However, the science of greenhouse gases is sound. We are definitively warming the planet with carbon emissions, and we are putting out carbon emissions at a rate never seen by the Earth before by a longshot. The math very clear on this, as is the science.

Side note: The "little ice age" might have in part been caused by the deaths of a lot of humans in Europe (the Plague) and the deaths of Native Americans from European pathogens, and thus fewer carbon emissions.

 

[SG854]

Even Exxon-Mobile admits climate change is real. When even Big Oil agrees with the scientific community, how can people keep denying it?

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/energy-and-environment/environmental-protection/climate-change

I'm glad Exxon Mobile admits to climate change, now all my purchases and CO2 admissions will only be from them from now on.

 

[Lucifer666]

There are a ton of factors that affect climate. I'm not suggesting otherwise. However, the science of greenhouse gases is sound. We are definitively warming the planet with carbon emissions, and we are putting out carbon emissions at a rate never seen by the Earth before by a longshot. The math very clear on this, as is the science.

Side note: The "little ice age" might have in part been caused by the deaths of a lot of humans in Europe (the Plague) and the deaths of Native Americans from European pathogens, and thus fewer carbon emissions.

You are doing the lord's work by being patient and explaining, but OP thinks he is above any & all research because science is just a "liberal's defence" or something like that, instead of actual, provable, irrefutable facts about the universe. Simply by virtue of being commonly understood and agreed upon it is no longer general knowledge but "liberal sheeple being brainwashed by media/the government". Clearly, he is too clever.

 

[SG854]

Conceded, possible anyway.





Speculation. As I said above, correlation does not equal causation.

Sometimes correlation does equal causation. The saying is "correlation doesn't always equal causation." But there are times it does. I'm on the side that climate change is caused by us. And we need to reduce. The problem is so many things run on fossil fuels it hard to cut down on it at this moment, and transition to green energies is a slow process. And many people are not going to change their lifestyles or drop their conveniences.

Maybe people are hypocritical, but I think sometimes you have to be a hypocrite if the end results is beneficial like a better more green situation and push companies towards more green tech and stop them from junk science. We are hypocrites ya, but we benefit. And that hypocrite push by people will eventually make us not hypocrites anymore once we have more green tech available to us because of that push. Sometimes you can't be that perfect model citizen of being consistent and need to break that depending on the context of the situation.

 

[Deleted User]

Which is the same. Also at one point you might become so good at sucking CO2 out of the atmosphere with 'some future tech', that you can entirely stabilize.

The future is now, thanks to science!

 

[Seliph]

I love that I can read the name of a thread and automatically tell that you're the op