Teens promise to fix "climate change" with great idea

morvoran Sep 20, 2019.

  1. Hanafuda

    Hanafuda GBAtemp Addict

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    You're right, the standard wording of the statement is "correlation does not necessarily equal causation.' i.e. they're not mutually exclusive. But I don't think I was saying that, either. But thing is ... even so, your opinion that climate change, to the extent it genuinely exists, is caused by human activity, is still just your opinion. And you're entitled to it. Know who else is entitled to theirs?
     
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  2. Lacius

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    Humans burning fossil fuels is causing global warming and climate change. This is a scientific fact, not an opinion.
     
  3. SG854

    SG854 If It Bleeds, We Can Kill It

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    It's a givin' that people are entitled to their opinion whenever anyone talks about these topics. And me saying, "I'm on the side" expresses that, using the word "I" implies that based on what I've researched and this is what I think. That last part makes it seem like you're defending yourself against me trying to force you to think like I do, but I didn't make any indications like that. All I was saying was that I think this and this.


    I think trying to go green whether or not Climate Change is caused by us is beneficial either way. One, it satisfies Liberals ideas of saving the planet. Two, it satisfies the Conservative want to create more new jobs with new green tech that be available. Going Green satisfies both sides. Planet preservation for Liberals and job creation for Conservatives.

    Even if Climate Change wasn't caused by us, It always better to play it safe, because in reality like you said it just your opinion at the end of the day. There's no 100% assurance with that type of language from you. One side is right, but we don't know because of our limited knowledge of this topic. So we can debate whether or not it's real, but playing it safe I think is still better no matter who's right or wrong, and no matter how the arguments go. I think this is the better choice.
     
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  4. Hanafuda

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    Please explain to me the medieval warming period.
     
  6. bodefuceta

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    There's a good reason why older people would govern in almost every society that ever worked. And you're not helping by bringing attention to some teenagers. Or perhaps you are? It does make them look stupid. Though I think humanity would be better off simply ignoring this type of thing.
     
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  7. 3DPiper

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    You have provided nothing to prove your 'fact'.
    I have given several links and videos to scientists saying the exact opposite of your statement, they provide tons of evidence and explain it very simply so everyone can understand (I assume no one has watched them). Just one event- the medieval warming period- completely ruins your 'fact'.
    My own witness has shown and proven nothing they have predicted has come true.
    Just saying something without evidence proves nothing.
    Sorry, I see no 'facts' in your statement
     
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  8. Josshy0125

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    I think if you're denying this, you're deciding to close your mind to the obvious, and that's the issue with advancements in today's world, globally, societally, and scientifically. If you took the time to do literally any amount of research, with effort, you'd know this is the case. But unfortunately, we live in a society, post-trump, in which idiots can pick and choose what they 'believe' to be fact, even if there's substantial evidence, common knowledge, fact, etc., to prove otherwise. This is the issue with hard-core republicans and Trump supporters; they delude themselves into the believe that facts are "opinion".
     
  9. Silent_Gunner

    Silent_Gunner Mad Dog of Rambling and Insanity

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    Someone should tell me about the next topic our good 'ole buddy here morvoran starts; I have an idea for a first post that I think will be hilarious! 83
     
  10. Lacius

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    I already explained how the existence of the Medevil warming period is irrelevant to human-caused climate change.
     
  11. morvoran
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    Drinking leftist tears...Yummy!
    For the climate alarmists here:

    Climate Alarmists Foiled: No US Warming Since 2005
    Source: Here

    When American climate alarmists claim to have witnessed the effects of global warming, they must be referring to a time beyond 14 years ago. That is because there has been no warming in the United States since at least 2005, according to updated data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

    The USCRN has eliminated the need to rely on, and adjust the data from, outdated temperature stations. Strikingly, as shown in the graph below, USCRN temperature stations show no warming since 2005 when the network went online. If anything, U.S. temperatures are now slightly cooler than they were 14 years ago.
     
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  12. 3DPiper

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    If you are talking about post #93,
    I stand by my statement that you are just bleating on here without providing any evidence.
    Nothing you have stated has any merit
    Please listen to Dr. Timothy Ball or read his book
     
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  13. Rolf12

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    While on my bicycle this morning I wondered why some people are cocksure about things you cannot be cocksure about. It dawned on me that mentioned group is unable to perform critical thinking. They are stuck in a "livslögn" (lie of life) that forces them to find support for it. By actively searching for articles, "proof" and in every other post claim that someone just "proved them right" independent of what that person wrote.
    Are you too proud to admit that you can be wrong? Are you embittered? Do you think society has done to little for you? Are you in secret envious of other people and their "smelly food"? I honestly would like to know.
     
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    Nothing i would provide to you would ever be enough, even momentarily, to take you out of that safe room you are in. You are immune to opinions that dont confirm your own. Isn't that funny?
     
  15. morvoran
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    morvoran Trump supporter

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    ok, I'll have some of what you're taking. I must be missing out on some goods stuff that's been going around. Either that or sniffing your own smug farts causes hallucinations.
    I hope you were looking in a mirror while typing that and retrospecting on your own life and actions. Do you really believe the world is going to end soon? Are you upset the oceans are polluted and air quality is bad? Do you see someone else litter and tell them they're wrong for doing so? Do you volunteer to not have kids until climate change is stopped? Have you asked yourself, while looking into that mirror, "self, what have I done to help out today?" Do you blame others for your problems while sitting at your desk doing nothing to help yourself or others, or riding in a fossil fuel burning vehicle while telling people they need to go green?
    I really want to know. If you judge others for their opinions, what have you done to back up yours?
     
  16. WD_GASTER2

    WD_GASTER2 :( somebody get this Astro's cap off of me.

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    you are quoting a pro fosil fuel conservative group. UH MAY ZING.

    for anybody who wants to see the twitter ran by those clowns:

    https://twitter.com/realclearenergy?lang=en
     
  17. Rolf12

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    Cool your jets. I dont blame others for their opinions. I do notice though when someone is stuck in an agenda and is not even trying to peek at the arguments of others to see if they have something to it. And raising their voices to strengthen their argument.

    I try to question my motives and arguments regularly. I dont blame people for driving cars, I have one myself but prefer to bicycle when possible. I do think global warming is gonna be a big problem within 5-10 years. To say it is a hoax coming from a leftist agenda and claiming that 99% of scientists agree that it is not a problem is just plain ridiculous.

    By the way, teenagers have always been like these ones. A bit silly. But they are trying. Which is admirable.
     
  18. SG854

    SG854 If It Bleeds, We Can Kill It

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    You just gave another reason why we should move to Clean Green Energy, Air Pollution. Look at what Coal Burning has done to those places. The Air is hardly breathable. And all the health problems that come with it. Even if not for Global Warming it's for breathable air.
     
  19. SG854

    SG854 If It Bleeds, We Can Kill It

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    @Hanafuda If we get pass the over exaggeration of the Dangers of Nuclear Energy, Nuclear Energy causes death just like every other industry, but in comparison to oil and Gas it is much safer. Many people die bringing us oil and gas, it is one of the most dangerous industries. Not only we get those benefit's I listed on my above post, we also reduce the amount of work related deaths switching to green energy, which satisfies the Menist's that complain about wahmen not dying as much because we have all the dangerous jobs. Its always about scale, both are dangers but Nuclear is the safer option and tech has gotten better compared to past Nuclear Energies.


    When taken as a whole we did as a Country Practice what we preach.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...es-in-reducing-carbon-emissions/#119570513535

    U.S. lead all other countries in carbon emission reduction. You can't completely get off the stuff because our lives are so integrated in it, we drive to work and need electricity, and our economy is so based on it that it will crash if we completely went off the stuff without finding a good replacement. So having reduction to complete zero would be a ridiculous and unrealistic, but we are making progress and practicing what we preach.




    But recently a slight rise after years of making progress, probably because people are not going Green due to recent disbelief and up push that humans are not causing climate change.

    https://www.vox.com/2019/1/8/18174082/us-carbon-emissions-2018



    So rhetoric like yours is probably having an impact. Still U.S. has big reductions compared to previous years when we were hugely pumping a lot of that nasty stuff to our atmosphere. And lots of people still practicing what they preach.



    But even if not for saving the planet, there is still lots of benefit's to going Green. Job creation, playing it safe, air pollution reduction and breathable air, and job death reduction. It satisfies both conservatives and liberals. Benefits I think out weigh any opinions on Climate Change.
     
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    When you consider the fact that the US Military is currently the single greatest threat to both the free world and the environment, any effort we as consumers could put forth is done in vain. I think we need to look into ending the war machine before we start adding a bunch of taxes and banning cow farts lol.
     
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