Teens promise to fix "climate change" with great idea

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  1. notimp

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    US to 515 international investors and the UN:

    "Everything is cyclical man!" ;)

    If we get people behind it. It will matter now.

    Now that said. I lobbied in germany (in a small internet community that doesnt matter) against - the goals of the popular kids movement. Because they are 'lofty' and impact the economic future of my generation.

    (I'm going with the technocrats. ;) (h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2plWBiDE8fw))

    But then - most of the popular movement is just to spread the idea of a carbon price. So populations will accept it. Imho.
     
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  2. Nerdtendo

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    I actually made a post not too long ago that shows their are no significant trends that suggest man made climate change. I'm glad I'm not the only one
     
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    Lol at the comments about "sucking CO2 out of the atmosphere" together with "killing all the cows"... there's just too many fronts to counter this, but just some questions:

    -What do plants use for Photosynthesis?
    -What do you do with other wildlife responsible of that "bad" CO2 gas? (Wild beast, etc)
    -What does phytoplankton use to feed?
    -How is animal life sustained in oceans where phytoplankton lives?

    Ridiculous arguments and "solutions" in this thread... Ridiculous "solution" from the teens in the OP as well. A lot of laughs with this one XD
     
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    Thank you for your believes.

    Here is the point. If Germany and the entirety of Europe and pretty much every other nation in the entrie world, except the US, will start acting on the notion that CO2 emissions are a problem, and thereby everyone in their societies has to pay for it. And that that money will then be funneled into energy transition projects.

    Will the US then still say but climate is cyclical - and we have enough oil for 50 years? So buy our products, because we dont have that cost that everyone else agreed on having.

    To save the climate?

    You can tackle it that way.
    Or tackle it by understanding that oil is running out and that it drove entire generations conceptions that yearly growth is always at 2% or higher, and what 'progress was'
    Or tackling it by understanding that if the US only enters at a 4°C target, food security for 8 billion people already will have collapsed or, ...

    We are actually past 'but it isnt real, or it isnt manmade' arguments. We gave you the 95% of science agrees it is manmade warning what - 19 years ago?

    Now its economic.

    There is still some leeway. But even for the US your energy security only lasts 70 years. And then you will have to do it anyways. And you dont want the world in shambles by then, because you could be the last one to join. And honestly really - the last one of the developed nations.
     
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    - There are EU projects in Africa to plant vast amounts of trees to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere - and bind it. The problem is, that the amount of land, that those projects use - isnt available for typical food production. And the trees can never be burned to 'get energy' from them - otherwise the CO2 is in the atmosphere again.

    // Insert CO2 doesnt break down as fast as methan on its own, it stays there for 100 years. Methan just goes away after a few years if you stop new stuff being added ('kill all the cows' (slowly - make people eat less meat)). //

    If you keep trees that you plant, you can f.e. have 'nutfarms' beneath them (or other stuff), but you cant have cows. So... Also not a 'single solution' just part of the mix. There will be cows, ... less of them, and so on and so forth...

    - What about wild animals - they only are about 4% of remaining living beings with a vertabrate (spine (non insects, ..)) so they dont factor in much. Human cattle accounts for 60% of them, humans for 36%.

    - phytoplankton:
    Same as with trees. You then cant have life in the oceans anymore (people eat fish, economies need fish) because this: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algal_bloom) Trees store CO2 more effectively also - so we go with planting those. ;) Also we plant them where we get more 'efficieny' for the buck - so f.e. Africa - but then they have trees, and less food production (also for export) - so... still somewhat problematic.
     
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    You are probably right about that last part. What I heard is that soon however the events that have been set in motion will be irreversible. We might not live to see the harmful effects of global warming, but if our generation doesn't do something about it, it might be too late for future generations to be able to change the course of events.
     
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    Also most of it will probably be not regulated by people voluntarily or not changing their diets. Its more like, drive less, fly less, pay more for mobility - make industry pay more for putting out CO2 (but then give them the money back selectively so they can innovate in 'solutions'). Also give money back to people selectively so the dont rebel.

    Because the 'rich/poor' gap will become more problematic - because rich folks could decide to just 'pay' the additional taxes and keep the old life - and poor folks are actually aided by subsidies f.e on individual mobility. You cant just say we cut those - gas prises rise, go buy electric cars. Those will not come down in cost fast enough. And even if, their energy currently still is produced largely with fossile fuels, so the green forms of energy generation arent there yet. So there will be transitioning time. For which you'll ned regulation, and public understanding.
     
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  9. KingVamp

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    As I said before, I don't really get climate change deniers.

    accept climate change + turns out climate change was real = better and newer tech and a safer planet to live on
    accept climate change + turns out climate change was not real = better and newer tech and a safer planet to live on

    There's no positives of being such a big denier except in the hope that you can say "lol I was right." Meanwhile the worse case scenario, well, is really bad.
     
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    The whole "irreversible" climate change is just used to induce fear in people, so they believe we have no future unless we stop using plastic straws, stop cow farts, and stop flying in planes.

    It is true that the events happening that cause actual climate change are already "irreversible" due to the fact that humans have no power over the sun, the earth's revolution around the sun, or the earth's axis tilt changes. All these factors will occur eventually, and we will be powerless to stop them.

    Man-made issues such as the "green house effect" or "fossil fuel burning" will not effect the climate enough to cause the human race to eventually end except in cases where our kids are brainwashed to the point that they agree not to have kids themselves until the climate stops changing, thus human kind may end due to our own influence.
    Carbon dioxide will never be an issue as long as we have plants, both in the ocean and on land. More carbon dioxide means stronger plants that absorb more carbon dioxide. Fossil fuels' effects can be controlled by better technology to increase efficiency in their use and using better filtration to decrease their damage to our air quality. Neither will have the same impact as a random solar flare that effects our atmosphere.
     
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    Some things, we do have power over, given enough time. We are likely screwed either way, but I'm not willing to give up yet.It's too early to say we're all doomed. Fuck anyone who tries that tactic.
     
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    https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech...ver-top-experts-expose-scam-at-freedom-confab

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-period

    Another couple of good articles, the second one specifically talks about the Medieval Warm Period, where it was warmer than it is today.
    How can that be?
    Plus: with more CO2, everything flourished and thrived!
    " Its effects were evident in Europe where grain crops flourished, alpine tree lines rose, many new cities arose, and the population more than doubled. The Vikings took advantage of the climatic amelioration to colonize Greenland, and wine grapes were grown as far north as England where growing grapes is now not feasible and about 500 km north of present vineyards in France and Germany. Grapes are presently grown in Germany up to elevations of about 560 m, but from about 1100 A.D. to 1300 A.D., vineyards extended up to 780 m"

    Just look at the true historical facts, not predictions.

    Do you really believe scientists can predict future climate?
    So far every prediction has not come true

    Heck, we just had a hurricane come through our area (Dorian). Every day they charted it and told us where it was going to go.
    It didn't go the way they said at all!

    As German meteorologist Klaus-Eckert Puls’s comment:

    “Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data — first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.”
     
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    I bet you anything that these "believers" will blame it on "horse farts" since there was a lot more of them and that was the main mode of transportation back then. That or they'll say that somehow it was Trump's fault. :rofl2:

    Logic doesn't suit some of these people, so they may turn their hate towards you. I'm not saying you need to worry as they are harmless and only begin to insult people when they are shown proof their leaders have lied to them.

    I'm just glad somebody else around here has good sense.
     
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    I find this very ironic, because having less or no kids is supposedly one of the best ways of reducing your carbon footprint.

    So as long as they keep their pants on, I guess they're succeeding?
     
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    Logic doesn't suit some of these people

    What a quote machine.
     
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    Precisely. This member is like an algorithm. Feed any info to it and you get bitter conspiracies on the other end. When will we see a creationist-thread and an including fanclub for the old sad dude in the big white building?
     
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    Like most of the 'progressive', socialist-democrat platform, the "climate change" protest is an anti-Capitalist, anti-Western Culture movement. The goal is to handicap & damage capitalism by hanging the 'climate change' stone around its neck, while polluting socialist China and southeast Asia surge unabated. Those countries are the source of all that plastic waste you hear about in the Pacific, but they outlaw plastic straws in California. Yeah, that'll fix it.

    So no, I don't see it as "it's all good either way."

    The crew of the sailing ship that brought Greta Thunberg across the Atlantic flew back, while another crew flew over for the return trip. Her family is commie antifa. It's all B.S.

    Oh, and Climate Change protests are what pollution looks like:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ed-hypocrites-leaving-litter-strewn-city.html

    I'll start taking it more seriously when the people who are trying to tell me how to live start acting like it themselves. We had this discussion before. Turn off all your electric shit including the computer you're reading this on, and maybe I'll believe you.
     
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    Climate Change deniers. You (dudes!) are priceless. In your tin foil hats.
     
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    Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of the fossil fuels burning to generate the electricity to run the computer you're reading GBAtemp with.


    And it's not so much denying climate change. Climate change is a definite reality of earth's existence. 400 years ago there was a 'little Ice Age.' The Thames River froze over so solid they put up buildings on it. What caused that? And if there's climate change in the other direction now, what's causing that? You cannot say with certainty it is caused by man. Correlation does not equal causation. Even more ridiculous is the idea that, if you are correct and we are causing this, that we could ever stop it. In terms of carbon footprint I am a grain of sand on the beach that is Al Gore & friends. 1700 private jets converge on Davos every year so the elite can 'confer' on climate change!?? Haha. When they all ride to Davos on donkeys, I'll start considering that they really believe this shit.
     
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