Why are most gamers liberal?

[MRJPGames]

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[notimp]

Hear, hear! They are tricking us out and running us around in circles of non-change with the these two fake parties. I originally switched from Independent to Republican to support the Ron Paul "Revolution". It's still a good basis for my beliefs, although some things have shifted over the years. Now I just want to stop voting, but also want to go back to Independent solely for if and when anyone Googles my real name and finds the voter registration information. I don't really want to be associated with or liable for the nonsense from either side.

On the positive side - stability. Managed change. Which is kind of what you want as societies.

But then if you lower growth rates to 0% - it kind of also calcifies social states over generations. Which leads to conflict potential.

If you just want to use it as a comment against a 'wealthy class' - they never have 'lost' as a class pretty much in history.

(Aristocracy got overthrown, as middle class citizens became more wealthy (industrialization), ...)

edit: If you feel especially rebellious today, always think of the cardinal rules. People rebell, when they are without hope (loss of fear), and hungry. And in western societies - that never happens. (Anymore)

Progressive ideas are filtered in from the edges to the center through democratic processes, transition of power is solved without needing violence (democratic elections). And the rich (as a class) never loose.

There you have it.

Now - as a state, you kind of like that as well - because if people get rich, they become long term interested. (How do I keep rich - is the next idea - basically.) Now, if they all invest capital in virtual economies that have no direct connection to real productivity (goods being produced), you are unlucky - but in the other instances - rich people act as catalysts, providing capital for economic growth - which becomes basically their societal function.

Most think that they are predestined to do so, because people around them tell them, that they are.. (Not true. Just lucky.) But at the same time, they now draw in talent - that helps them retain funds, and grow. So they have intelligent people - which might be why (as a class) they tend not to loose.

That draw is why money = power. If you are just a shmuck having won the lottery - you might not think about professional networks, development opportunities, setting up self reproducing structures, ... They do.

 

[Windaga]

Politics are messy.

I was at the gym yesterday, doing my start up cardio. There's a wall full of TVs right in front of me. On one TV is CNN (I think? Anderson Cooper was on the TV so I assumed CNN) and they're talking about how Trump's defeat at the hands of Mueller's reporting is imminent. On the TV right next to it is Fox (Ingram Angle I think the segment was called?) and they're discussing how "The Dems are defeated "AGAIN."" I did 30 minutes of cardio, and the entire time, these two shows were just harping back at each other, calling the "other side" moronic, foolish, etc.

I've still NO idea what Mueller actually said in total. They'd show clips, but they were edited to only show one piece or another of what he was actually saying. Hosts on either side would jump in and say things like "See! This clearly shows that there's more to be found" or "How confidant can we be in someone who can't remember word for word a report that he himself "allegedly" wrote?"

It's fucking garbage. And I hate that this is how some people get their news. I know people personally that will look at either program and go "Yep, yep, typical "bashing one side." It's disgusting. This "us vs. them" mentality is gross.

Edit
Oops, forgot the initial question. I dunno! Nor do I know if that's true. I would like to think that, as gamers in the internet age, we'd see past silly things like teams, hateful opinions, general politics, etc., and just play the game. But I've played matches of games like Smite and the entire chat was filled with political vitriol from/to both sides, so...

I get the "idea" behind "young people are democratic, older people are republican, therefore, more gamers are liberal because more young people play games than older people", but in my experience, that's just not true. So I don't know. I just hope for a day where we can all go "yeah, the system is fucked. Let's work together to fix it."

Or a day when we get an updated release of Loz: Oracle of Seasons and Ages. Both are days I deeply yearn for.

 

[notimp]

and the entire time, these two shows were just harping back at each other, calling the "other side" moronic, foolish, etc.

I've still NO idea what Mueller actually said in total.

Happy to oblige. Nothing new.

Basically according to intelligence sources and the interviews they have had with people related to the matter: Trump had business contacts in russia - but they werent really active at the time, and now are on ice. Their campaign met with people believed to be russian spies, or interest brokers, but with sufficient plausible deniability. So no case could be made around it. What the russians are believed to have done is to maybe helped supply 'attack surface' at the right time (like an hour after a 'scandal' story released to press by the dems, like twice). Direct facebook campaigns to convince people not to vote - in certain regions as well - although at least anecdotally without investing that much money (we know only of 300k worth of ad buys). The C.I.A still is very outraged about that story in particular though.

Direct coordintation with the Trump campaign could not be proven. Nor direct involvement. (Whenever some of their election team met a spy and things got too iffy, they fired that person.. )

So in regards to an actual collusion indictment - nothing was substantial enough that they could make a legal case.

Now, public oponion is a different field (not law), which is why you see that messy stuff boil up currently.

What isnt out of the box yet - entirely, is if Trump tried to obstruct the investigation. And there is strong wording all over the report (part 2) that he did. (I mean he fired an FBI director, he tried to stop the investigation politically...) There is strong indication, that he did. And then there was an entire media campaign that misrepresented the actual findings on obstruction - which is now what that hearing in theory (Muller saying that he was met with obstruction attempts.) was for.

But in practice the hearing was all about media attention and playing the public game - because, again - there is an entire part 2 of the Muller report thats all about the obstruction issue - and spells everything out. Congress and their staffers can read it (heck even I can (partly redacted)), but DEMs wanted the TV opportunity. Then were mildly miffed, that Muller wasnt more 'active/loveable' on screen. So within the dems, where they are split, if they should try to impeach or not - it didn't move many minds.

Now as an acting president, Trump has political immunity for the stuff he did, while being president - so - eh, still not enough to impeach him on obstruction. But maybe after he is out of office, and has lost immunity.

Chances are, that that wont happen either - as at that point, nobody important cares about him enough, and it all becomes about being a potential reputation issue for the US. So, eh....


All in all - Trump will not get impeached. And all thats currently happening are attempts to win the public over with moral arguments, because its election season again.

(Im mostly non partial, as a european - and thats mostly what gets reported/how it gets commented on in our news/political panels on the topic.)

 

[notimp]

Oh I have to mention, why public opinion is important in case of impeachment. Dems only want to impeach (attempt), if its publicly popular. Because after impeachment you get (earlier) elections. So in reality this ship already has sailed, because you are mid election cycle - and there is not a huge amount of public outrage yet.

So benefits for the dems, other that excecising it as a matter of public discussion - are almost none already. Thats why people are pretty sure, that Trump will stay in office until the elections.

 

[Windaga]

Happy to oblige. Nothing new.

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(Im mostly non partial, as a european - and thats mostly what gets reported/how it gets commented on in our news/political panels on the topic.)

Thanks for the recap. I'll watch it later tonight after my workout.

I'd just love a site/news program that gave just facts - no interpretations, no commentary, no opinions - just "Trump Said xyz." "Mueller said XYZ." Here are the sources.

Though, it is interesting to see what people from the outside think.

 

[Josshy0125]

Most people are stupid and implying that conservatives are stupid just because you disagree with them is rather petty on your part.

Nah mate. If you look at statistics, conservatives tend to be Much less intelligent and much less open minded. They tend to be the science deniers and The Bible lovers. There is a very real correlation between conservatives and lower intellect.

 

[Deleted-401606]

Nah mate. If you look at statistics, conservatives tend to be Much less intelligent and much less open minded. They tend to be the science deniers and The Bible lovers. There is a very real correlation between conservatives and lower intellect.

Post the proof. Most business owners are conservative, care to explain that?

 

[Immortallix]

I've noticed that no matter the medium, most gamers seem to have left leaning beliefs and this applies whether it is twitch,twitter,gaming forums, or even just guilds in MMOs. Why does it seem that most gamers are liberals on the internet? It seems like no matter what gaming website you are on people become increasingly hostile towards you once they realize that you aren't a liberal. Why don't more conservatives play games? Is it because most conservatives think it's stupid and childish to play video games? Or is it maybe that younger people tend to gravitate towards liberalism and younger people also play more games? Even saying something as simple as MAGA can get someone to downright despise you.

I used to be quite liberal, not so much anymore, but to answer your question, it's the people in control. Most journalists, critics, US devs, or anyone who really have connections and influence are usually in California or NY, both hyper-liberal states. Being in these positions of reach and power they influence a lot of younger gamers. Many people who spend a lot of time in online circles will think these views and opinions they're seeing on Polygon & IGN are the norm, accepted truths.
Our mainstream media has also done an extremely good job at demonizing anyone not far-left. Trump is literally Hitler and conservative views make you a punch-able Nazi. I don't really know if anything can be done about this current climate, its quite sad for sure.

 

[Josshy0125]

Post the proof. Most business owners are conservative, care to explain that?

Look online. Im busy. But it's not hard to find. Also that comment is nonsensical.

 

[kumikochan]

Nah mate. If you look at statistics, conservatives tend to be Much less intelligent and much less open minded. They tend to be the science deniers and The Bible lovers. There is a very real correlation between conservatives and lower intellect.

Well i don't agree because that would be basically saying Americans tend to be dumber than the rest of the world seeing patriotism is basically nationalism and nationalism is conservative

 

[Deleted-401606]

Look online. Im busy. But it's not hard to find. Also that comment is nonsensical.

Your comments are insulting and non-nonsensical. You are calling people stupid when you are the one that refused to read the rules to posting on the political section. IMO mods should have deleted your post.

 

[Josshy0125]

Your comments are insulting and non-nonsensical. You are calling people stupid when you are the one that refused to read the rules to posting on the political section. IMO mods should have deleted your post.

So we're just going to ignore statistics and fact and just project? Gotcha.

 

[Lacius]

Nah mate. If you look at statistics, conservatives tend to be Much less intelligent and much less open minded. They tend to be the science deniers and The Bible lovers. There is a very real correlation between conservatives and lower intellect.

1. It's inaccurate to say "conservations are much less intelligent." For starters, "intelligence" is an almost impossible thing to actually measure. There are also plenty of "smart" conservatives and plenty of "dumb" liberals.
2. The same goes for your comments on open mindedness. There are plenty of open-minded conservatives, and there are plenty of closed-minded liberals.
3. That being said, it's accurate to state that there is a correlation between liberalism and more education. In other words, the more education one has, the more likely he or she will be Democratic/liberal/progressive/etc.

Post the proof. Most business owners are conservative, care to explain that?

1. Whether or not a person runs a business, regardless of how successful a business is, is irrelevant to the topic of intelligence, so this isn't a very relevant response.
2. Something like 38% of business owners are Republican, so no, "most business owners" are not Republican.

 

[Josshy0125]

1. It's inaccurate to say "conservations are much less intelligent." For starters, "intelligence" is an almost impossible thing to actually measure. There are also plenty of "smart" conservatives and plenty of "dumb" liberals.
2. The same goes for your comments on open mindedness. There are plenty of open-minded conservatives, and there are plenty of closed-minded liberals.
3. That being said, it's accurate to state that there is a correlation between liberalism and more education. In other words, the more education one has, the more likely he or she will be Democratic/liberal/progressive/etc.

1. Whether or not a person runs a business, regardless of how successful a business is, is irrelevant to the topic of intelligence, so this isn't a very relevant response.
2. Something like 38% of business owners are Republican, so no, "most business owners" are not Republican.

I definitely could have used better wording. With that said, i completely agree with you.

It's a fact that you are using personal attacks on the political forum, you didn't bother to read the rules and clearly you lack the temperament to discuss politics in a civil manner. Welcome to my ignore list.

Neat.

 

[Glyptofane]

It's a fact that you are using personal attacks on the political forum, you didn't bother to read the rules and clearly you lack the temperament to discuss politics in a civil manner. Welcome to my ignore list.

Well, maybe he's a drunk. Don't just ignore him. Sometimes I lose myself and go nuts on the representation of the conservative side of the spectrum, poorly articulated at that. @Lacius and @Xzi have always stuck through it without going totally nuclear.

 

[Josshy0125]

Well, maybe he's a drunk. Don't just ignore him. Sometimes I lose myself and go nuts on the representation of the conservative side of the spectrum, poorly articulated at that. @Lacius and @Xzi have always stuck through it without going totally nuclear.

Thank you for sticking up for me. Im not drunk, but I definitely was when i wrote my initial reply here. Very good!

 

[Benja81]

That being said, it's accurate to state that there is a correlation between liberalism and more education. In other words, the more education one has, the more likely he or she will be Democratic/liberal/progressive/etc

This makes a ton of sense to me, especially the learning correlation. Learning expands the brain, therefor possibly making you more open to other ideas, literally, but in addition more education means learning even more about history and what works best for the citizens from their government.

 

[notimp]

I'd just love a site/news program that gave just facts - no interpretations, no commentary, no opinions - just "Trump Said xyz." "Mueller said XYZ." Here are the sources.

Though, it is interesting to see what people from the outside think.

Yeah again, thats not how that works.
First you cant separate opinion from your 'view of things' entirely. (Basically, people make up the facts for their believes in their minds. Has always been an issue with witness accounts f.e.)
Second, people like good stories (as in - you could literally just read the Muller report and News agency stories - but no one does).
Third, people get payed more for opinions than for facts. And its an easier gig.
Fourth you could always err and be wrong.
Fifth, if you want to be informed, you need access, to get access you need to basically create sympathy, once you have access you become tame to keep it.
Sixth, there are always two sides to a story (at least), and a business side.
Seventh, people dont want facts - they want interpretations, which loops around back to 'you get payed more for them.
Eighth: PR and message control.
Ninth: Language is not neutral
Tenth: If it were (scientific vernacular) most people wouldnt understand it.
Eleventh: You can not not communicate (http://scihi.org/communication-paul-watzlawick/)
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Good luck finding the podcaster of your dreams..

 

[WD_GASTER2]

Games have historically challenged current social norms.
that may indicate why most gamers tend to be liberal.