It's no secret I'm for the remain campaign, but with us more or less staying neighbors, there's no point in making things personal. I'm not the EU and you're not the UK. To my understanding, we're residents trying to see why our countries are slipping apart.
I agree, I'll change the rhetoric, It really isn't you vs me and I dont see it that way. In the last 12 months I've been to Germany Portugal Spain and Benidorm, and after the UK leaves the EU that won't change. I love europe and being apart of Europe. I start to talk the way I was when I feel attacked - when I'm basically told "oh wow you must hate us and europe if you're leaving so we'll punish you" and it's just not the case. I'm basically sick of people on the left acting like they're better and morally superior.
The main problem started with the fact a remainer was made PM and the fact the EU never and still doesn't want us to leave. This has allowed the situation to fester and leave lingering hopes the UK will remain, when we really won't. At this point we can't, the damage done if we don't leave now will be astronomical. It could've been sorted years ago. All that had to happen was we both agree a FTA agreement. That's it. Unfortunately and I do put this down to the EU - they didn't want that, They wanted to punish the UK to show us we were 'wrong' and to make sure nobody else dared to leave. That's why the negotiations have gone so badly.
I strongly believe the only way out of this mess now is to leave on WTO terms, when the UK has left the EU and all It's institutions we can sit down and talk about a FTA, but that's it. No FOM, no ECJ jurisdiction. Just trade, I wouldn't even oppose coming to sort some of compromise on paying towards the money they think were obliged to pay if it lead to a FTA. But that's it, If this isn't good enough on the EU side of things then we'll trade on WTO. I'm more than happy with this, most people i speak to are happy with this, conservative grassroots (I'm not a conservative) prefers no deal to any other options at this point. Then maybe one day we could come to an understanding.
Interesting article. But I've got to be honest: I simply don't believe it. The article (which is written 2 years ago, so from the 'era' that the negotiations still went relatively smooth with the EU) already mentions that Australia reversed its stance. And America...you know damn well that Trump can praise the brexit deal today and totally dishes it tomorrow
As for not believing the article - yeah it's a few years old now but theres not alot more I can do, all those countries at some point have indicated they want a FTA with the uk after brexit, things may or may not have changed. As the video shows Australia wanted one before the vote even took place.
In finishing - a WTO brexit is the best option for both parties at this point. We can all go home come back and be friends, it might hurt in the short term but in the long term we'll all prosper and as a continent we've certainly been through far worse together.
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