Can We Stop With The Name Calling Already ...

[The Real Jdbye]

They don’t choose to be trans.

Well it depends on what Gender Dysphoria they have.

Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria is a choice. Usually because of society makes them believe they are trans when they are not.

Child Onset Gender Dysphoria and Autogynephilic Gender Dysphoria aren’t choices. Autogynephilia is a sexual orientation and there is no evidence that people can change orientations. And there is scientific research, though not complete and is limited, says that people that transition after careful screening and consideration are happy with transition.

On a sort of random note - I had to look up autogynephilia but I think many males have experienced that at some point in their lives. I have certainly wondered what it would be like to be female and been aroused by the thought. Even if only for a day it would be an interesting experience. That in itself doesn't really mean much - it's certainly got little to do with being trans.

 

[Goffrier]

that thread demonstrates the world in 2019. P.A.T.H.E.T.I.C

 

[SG854]

Thread is cringe: first of all just because you disagree with a movement doesn't mean you despise the things the movement stand for. An example would be not agreeing with a Socialist movement because you feel certain things in their manifest are wrong, but you like certain aspects of Socialism. In other words you don't completely disagree with what their saying, but you just think they are going about it the wrong way. To think that a person that disagrees with a particular movement is the complete opposite of what they represent is extremist. If you are white, you must oppose black, if you are black you must oppose white. Its chess mentality, which is the mentality of war.

Second, saw a lot of name calling by some people in the thread: name calling is bullying in general. If you have to personally attack a person during an argument, it doesn't matter how right you are resorting to such demeanor is pathetic and it makes you look stupid. It just makes it seem like you not very intelligent and can't find any other way to defend your argument so you resort to attacking.

Abraham Lincoln was against abolitionists but supported freeing slaves. Many people in the North were for freeing slaves but against abolitionists because they didn’t like the way abolitionists went about things.


The same logic can apply to other movements as well if you don’t like how they go about things but actually support the idea that they are fighting for, but not support the way they handle it. Movements are just groups and many can different movements can form.

On a sort of random note - I had to look up autogynephilia but I think many males have experienced that at some point in their lives. I have certainly wondered what it would be like to be female and been aroused by the thought. Even if only for a day it would be an interesting experience. That in itself doesn't really mean much - it's certainly got little to do with being trans.

Autogynephilia and autogynephilia gender dysphoria would be two separate things. Not everyone who is Autogynephilic has or will get gender dysphoria. But people that has that particular gender dysphoria has autogynephilia that precedes it and have a strong wish to transition.

Autogynephila is probably rare and would be classified as a Paraphilia. But it is common among MtF Transexuals that want to transition, of at least 75% of cases.

Most people don’t know about it even though it’s common in MtF transsexuals because you won’t hear about in the Media or from Activists, they try to hide it. Sometimes MtF trans is not simply women mind trapped in mans body, and people don’t like the idea that some want sex change because they find it strongly erotic.


It is controversial for social reasons not scientific because no data has seriously challenged it yet.



This should explain it more

https://4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/

https://surveyanon.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/response-to-contrapoints-on-autogynephilia/

 

[Bonehead]

okay, but do you have any black friends, though?

 

[cots]

okay, but do you have any black friends, though?

Not having any any black friends doesn't make you racist. I've dated black, brown and yellow skinned people. Currently, I don't have any black friends where I live, but I just moved so I don't have any white friends either. Does currently having no white friends make me racist?

 

[cots]

Second, saw a lot of name calling by some people in the thread: name calling is bullying in general. If you have to personally attack a person during an argument, it doesn't matter how right you are resorting to such demeanor is pathetic and it makes you look stupid. It just makes it seem like you not very intelligent and can't find any other way to defend your argument so you resort to attacking.

Yet, people are defending the slanderous use of the term transphobic. Using the term the same way you would use any general expletive curse word is sort of ironic. Not that everyone uses it in such context, as I've pointed out it's being used in a far worse manner.

 

[Dasher_The_Viral]

There seem to be some people who are confused, or are misinformed.

Just because you disagree with a single aspect of a large groups actions (or the actions of one person on behalf of [or in spite of] said group) does NOT mean you disagree with the group in it's entirety and everything that it stands for.

You could disagree with Christianity and not believe in a god existing. You can disagree with the opinion that homosexual people will burn in hell for all eternity. But that doesn't mean that you automatically disagree with a Christians choice to go to church, or to pray to their god.

4-2≠0
4-2=2

If someone dislikes an aspect of the transgender group/movement or specific instances of actions either performed by the group, or people within the group, it does not then mean that they are completely against everything in the group and everyone that the group is trying to represent!

Just because you dislike piracy on some form of software/hardware, does NOT mean you completely hate the hacking scene due to it allowing piracy, you just dislike ONE ASPECT of the whole hacking scene!

Remember, nothing is black and white, there is a grey transition in between these two extreme ends.

 

[AmandaRose]

Yet, people are defending the slanderous use of the term transphobic. Using the term the same way you would use any general expletive curse word is sort of ironic. Not that everyone uses it in such context, as I've pointed out it's being used in a far worse manner.

Yet you are making the slanderous statement that most transgenders are demanding sex from people then when they say no they are being called transphobic when it is a clear fact there is only 1 recorded incident of this ever happening. And like I previously said nobody is talking about the fact that 50% of transgenders get sexually assaulted as some point in thire life.

 

[Kioku]

A lot of this thread seems to be about prescriptive grammar, meaning "this is the right way to use it", which is just a red-herring for the most part.

Switch to descriptive grammar. That is, what is the phenomena being described? What is the word trying to get across? Focus on the goals of the words, not the words themselves. What are people trying to convey when they say a word, not "what is the actual, proper use of this word, traditionally".

Otherwise you're just avoiding the topic entirely and going around in circles.

Here's a little relevant pro-tip on how to be a proper human: people are people, first and foremost. Highlight the similarities, embrace the differences. realize your fear or discomfort are a you problem, and not a them problem. And when in doubt, ask someone from the group you're curious about. The universe is vast and forever weird. Be comfortable with the fact you do not know how it works, and allow others to change your perception of "normal". Understand there is no end-point; this is a life-long process that never ends.

okay, that's all I have to say for now. stay weird, humans!

I can get behind this... The human race is far too complex to be limited in such ways.

 

[Bonehead]

Not having any any black friends doesn't make you racist. I've dated black, brown and yellow skinned people. Currently, I don't have any black friends where I live, but I just moved so I don't have any white friends either. Does currently having no white friends make me racist?

no white friends and no black friends.... Hmmm. Do you have any friends at all? Sounds like no. Maybe do some self reflection and figure out why that's the case.

Hint: It's not because you just moved.

 

[Deleted-401606]

no white friends and no black friends.... Hmmm. Do you have any friends at all? Sounds like no. Maybe do some self reflection and figure out why that's the case.

Hint: It's not because you just moved.

Do you have any friends that aren't nerds? Maybe he would rather not spend his time with weird out of touch people. Judging him for not having friends is asinine, you don't know this man.

 

[H1B1Esquire]

resorting to such demeanor is pathetic and it makes you look stupid. It just makes it seem like you not very intelligent and can't find any other way to defend your argument so you resort to attacking.

Your point is moot.
Honestly, I've seen a lot of...everything--people do a fine job of looking stupid without cursing or name-calling.

I mean, I could literally nit-pick your entire paragraph, pointing out your peccadilloes, call you ____ or not call you ___, drop a few "spice words" or not and I'd still be correct in my amendment of your post, while proving I'm more intelligent than you for finding and fixing your mistakes.

That's what makes you point moot.

My point: it doesn't really matter. Nothing really matters.
I enjoy tasteful name-calling, like Ass McNuggetface--I find that hilarious and enjoyable because I never heard it being used on a person-to-person basis.
I don't take offense to a lot of it because I've been name-calling for so long, it's just expected--the "Hello" to my "Good Morning!"

Don't take it as offense, I'm trying to give you an idea that some people are intelligent, but enjoy

 

[bodefuceta]

Being trans or lgbt is haram

Don't like it? You are islamophobic.

It's just about using words in your favor. Marxists have been doing it for a very long time

 

[Bonehead]

Do you have any friends that aren't nerds? Maybe he would rather not spend his time with weird out of touch people. Judging him for not having friends is asinine, you don't know this man.

He posts every thought he has on every subject. We know him. He's unlikable and doesn't have any friends. lol.

 

[Deleted-401606]

A lot of this thread seems to be about prescriptive grammar, meaning "this is the right way to use it", which is just a red-herring for the most part.

Switch to descriptive grammar. That is, what is the phenomena being described? What is the word trying to get across? Focus on the goals of the words, not the words themselves. What are people trying to convey when they say a word, not "what is the actual, proper use of this word, traditionally".

Otherwise you're just avoiding the topic entirely and going around in circles.

Here's a little relevant pro-tip on how to be a proper human: people are people, first and foremost. Highlight the similarities, embrace the differences. realize your fear or discomfort are a you problem, and not a them problem. And when in doubt, ask someone from the group you're curious about. The universe is vast and forever weird. Be comfortable with the fact you do not know how it works, and allow others to change your perception of "normal". Understand there is no end-point; this is a life-long process that never ends.

okay, that's all I have to say for now. stay weird, humans!

So according to your post,if I am afraid of or dislike murderers the problem is with me? I think "proper" humans have a moral compass that lets them discern from right and wrong.

 

[MadMageKefka]

The only correlation is that gaming is an inclusive hobby, and trans individuals don't have to worry about being physically assaulted online. It's not like these people exist only on the internet, but they are given more free reign to express their thoughts and opinions here.

Okay, but why HERE? There must be forums, chats, discord servers, etc that focus on this topic. Why is it brought up again and again on THIS site?

 

[VinsCool]

Okay, but why HERE? There must be forums, chats, discord servers, etc that focus on this topic. Why is it brought up again and again on THIS site?

Because there are people like OP who like to share their opinion on the matter, and that certainly doesn't make everyone happy.

 

[MadMageKefka]

Because there are people like OP who like to share their opinion on the matter, and that certainly doesn't make everyone happy.

I get that they want to, I just don't understand why HERE specifically... Why not say... a gaming subreddit? Something about THIS site brings about this topic again and again.

 

[VinsCool]

I get that they want to, I just don't understand why HERE specifically... Why not say... a gaming subreddit? Something about THIS site brings about this topic again and again.

Like I said, it's constantly brought over because some people need to share their opinion, because they need everyone to agree with them.
It is allowed here to talk about anything, in the appropriate section, so it happens.
If people don't share controversial or unpopular opinion on any topic, there would be no discussion period.

On the gaming subreddit, alternatively, this thread would be deleted, because it would be offtopic.

 

[brickmii82]

Reading through this thread is like watching people at a skating rink. Everyone is going in circles. IJS ... OK bye