‘Transgender’ Could Be Defined Out of Existence Under Trump Administration

[bi388]

That's where you're wrong buddy. I've been friends and worked with transgender people. They do not care what it says on the papers. They understand they are not the gender they claim to be, it's just a social thing for them and they get it. The only thing they value is how they are treated by people around them. Not a dumb label.

That is completely false. Transgender people are fighting hard to be recognized by the government. It's not a dumb label, when your country itself is invalidating you it can be crippling. You're arguing for the continued oppression of people and for the government to dictate peoples own identity to them. Transgender people are not the gender they are born as, that's the whole point. They were born as the wrong gender and it causes dysphoria.

 

[Kallus]

That is completely false. Transgender people are fighting hard to be recognized by the government. It's not a dumb label, when your country itself is invalidating you it can be crippling. You're arguing for the continued oppression of people and for the government to dictate peoples own identity to them. Transgender people are not the gender they are born as, that's the whole point. They were born as the wrong gender and it causes dysphoria.

Yes, it is a dumb label. Don't get worked up over it.

 

[seren3]

Identities are self created

 

[bi388]

Yes, it is a dumb label. Don't get worked up over it.

Again, you dont get to dictate that the label is dumb. The transgender community has generally been outspoken about caring what they are labeled as.

 

[WeedZ]

You guys know this isnt a ban on trisitioning right? You do realize that this is already how government works..? Its a measure to keep it from changing, like allowing laws that would let people change birth records and whatnot.

 

[nando]

How was the illegal immigration and child separation a lie?
Dude, I live at the border, and believe me, it is way too real.

trump told him bad negative news about trump are lies, therefore they are lies.

 

[Kallus]

Again, you dont get to dictate that the label is dumb. The transgender community has generally been outspoken about caring what they are labeled as.

The person above your post, who is trans, does not buy the "born in the wrong body" stuff. Not all trans people are like your girlfriend.

 

[Ev1l0rd]

You guys know this isnt a ban on trisitioning right? You do realize that this is already how government works..? Its a measure to keep it from changing, like allowing laws that would let people change birth records and whatnot.

It'd also prevent someone who is trans for being recognized as such ie. when it comes to going to the bathroom they want to.

 

[seren3]

Again, you dont get to dictate that the label is dumb. The transgender community has generally been outspoken about caring what they are labeled as.

Thats true, you cant invalidate them

 

[bi388]

The person above your post, who is trans, does not buy the "born in the wrong body" stuff. Not all trans people are like your girlfriend.

Lemme compare this to another time another minority group was oppressed. Remember slavery/post slavery oppression? It might shock you that there were black people who were fine with it. Doesnt make it ok. Just because someone isnt bothered by it doesnt mean that it isnt bad.

 

[seren3]

Lemme compare this to another time another minority group was oppressed. Remember slavery/post slavery oppression? It might shock you that there were black people who were fine with it. Doesnt make it ok. Just because someone isnt bothered by it doesnt mean that it isnt bad.

We've normalized it

 

[WeedZ]

It'd also prevent someone who is trans for being recognized as such ie. when it comes to going to the bathroom they want to.

Recognized by who? The government? We all hate the government. It all comes back to people. Some will be cool, some will be assholes. This changes nothing. And the bathroom thing, some will have unisex, some wont. This seems like such a nonissue to me. In the end, nothing will change, and in time, no one will care.

 

[bi388]

Please don't speak for me. A good chunk of the fun of being a girl is fitting in with other girls.

You're speaking for other people. You're saying because YOU dont care, therefore other people shouldnt. When clearly people do care. People are working hard for this. Shouldnt people be able to choose if their documented gender is their born one or transitioned one? You can keep it the same if you dont care or be able to change it. Everyone would be happy. But you're saying because it doesnt upset you, other people should have to abide by your rules.

 

[Kallus]

Alright. This thread took a turn for the worst. Bunker anybody?

 

[Ev1l0rd]

Recognized by who? The government? We all hate the government. It all comes back to people. Some will be cool, some will be assholes. This changes nothing. And the bathroom thing, some will have unisex, some wont. This seems like such a nonissue to me. End the end, nothing will change, and in time, no one will care.

Let's say someone who is trans (IDs as/is female, under this new status, they'd be written up as male) goes to the bathroom for that which gender they ID as/are.

Some asshole with a bone to pick then proceeds to make their life hell over this and eventually this goes to the point where legislation becomes involved.

What defense can someone make against this under these changes? Their status as IDing/being a female isn't written down anywhere on a legal document. Their documents all refer to them as a male, even though they ID/are a woman.

Would this person be forced to go to the male bathroom and as a result be forced into a constant reminder that they can't be who they want to be?

(Sidenote: I'm in full support of unisex bathrooms, the only thing seperating male and female bathrooms is urinoirs and those are disgusting anyway.)

 

[seren3]

You're speaking for other people. You're saying because YOU dont care, therefore other people shouldnt. When clearly people do care. People are working hard for this. Shouldnt people be able to choose if their documented gender is their born one or transitioned one? You can keep it the same if you dont care or be able to change it. Everyone would be happy. But you're saying because it doesnt upset you, other people should have to abide by your rules.

People will never reach agreement on this issue

 

[Enkuler]

Couple of highlights:

...adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable...

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The act seems driven by little more than pettiness and religious pushing. (America is totally secular guys.)
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Haha! yeah, the kind of religious people who recognize science only when it pleases them!
(Note, I'm not saying all religious people do that.)

As someone who thought long and hard about transitioning, I also find this stupid.

Why did you decide otherwise finally? You're of course free not to answer, but I'd find it really annoying if the main reason was people still living in the 18th century.
Sorry if you already answered (I didn't read all the thread).

 

[VinsCool]

And people wonder why so many stay hidden in closet, living in pain.

 

[Wolfy]

Meh, I agree that there needs to be an inclusion of transgender as an option as they should have the same rights and they do.

I think this is more of an attack on the ideology going around that you can be any "gender" you believe is what you are, which is quickly spiraling out of control.

Like I understand, you want to label yourself for whatever reason you may have, but that could just be a subcategory of 'transgender'. It's neither of the existing ones.

When you try and make literally ALL of them into Law, that's where things can troubling and should be stopped like they're trying to do.


LOVE AND PEACE PEOPLE! No reason to riot and block traffic because you feel 'entitled'.

 

[ihaveahax]

Remember to go vote on November 6, which are just about 2 weeks away. Because some people's lives literally depend on it, because of legislation like this.