do you belive theres a after life

[Fates-Blade-900]

So you're saying that everyone has a plan according to God? That everything is part of "His" plan, and that everything has a predetermined role?

Well yes and no, there are two paths for all humanity: 1. The path of God which is always the best, and 2. Our path which we make for ourselves which will end in destruction, either path we take is a part of His plan, but which path we take is not predetermined, it is our choice completely, He doesn't control our fate, we do.

 

[osm70]

Well yes and no, there are two paths for all humanity: 1. The path of God which is always the best, and 2. Our path which we make for ourselves which will end in destruction, either path we take is a part of His plan, but which path we take is not predetermined, it is our choice completely, He doesn't control our fate, we do.

So, in summary... we either do what he wants or we destroy ourselves.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

So, in summary... we either do what he wants or we destroy ourselves.

Yes and no, we either do the right thing (e.g. tell the truth instead of lies) which is His path or we destroy ourselves, you understand sir, but we should want to do the right thing, but as Humans we don't want to do the right thing, that is why Jesus came to change our hearts TO want to do the right thing, if we accept his gift on the cross, so we can make it to heaven. I can go more in depth if you want. (e.g. If everyone in the world told only lies, where would we be?)

 

[JellyPerson]

I had a near death experience that makes me believe we're in an infinite loop and repeat our lives over and over again. I went to the hospital for heart problems and after they found the problem and fixed it they sent me to a psychiatric unit because I was having bad side effects to some of the medication they gave me. I guess (I don't remember) I punched a nurse so the next thing I know I wake up in jail. Anyway, so I was having problems separating my thoughts and dreams from reality. I finally got a chance to lay down and the next thing I remember is being injected with something and then I saw myself floating over my body and a voice asked me "Do you want to continue or start over?". I took this as continue on in my current life or start over from the beginning (be born again). Fuck starting over. My life has been shit. I guess I'll have to eventually repeat it though.

EDIT: Before this I was a Christian and it's been hard grained into me that there is a Heaven and Hell, but this sort of makes me question that so I'm not really too sure what happens. Part of me says I'm going to Hell another part says I'll have to start over and do the same things that I already did over, over, over, over and over again for infinite.

is this a shitpost

 

[Viri]

There are other halls that you could go in Nordic mythology, why Valhalla in particular?

A hall with warriors, with endless food and ale and mead, sounds like fun! Plus, gotta prepare for Ragnarok!

 

[JellyPerson]

i believe that bad guys will be reincarnated after death into pigs and get eat by asians.

freaking racist

 

[leon315]

freaking racist

excuse me, which part is racist??

 

[Pandaxclone2]

I do not. No evidence, and faith is a requirement. That's a deal-breaker for me.

(I probably shouldn't be asking) Is there any particular reason why faith is a problem? Faith is simply believing in something that has no scientific or knowledge-based reasons beyond your feelings and instincts. You could have faith in any number of things like family, blood, luck, etc. It's not necessarily tied to the concept of an afterlife in particular. Furthermore, an afterlife (or something beyond death from your perspective) doesn't have to be tied to a religion's perspective of their afterlife (if that is one of the issues.)

I guess what I'm saying is, it doesn't hurt anything to believe in an afterlife of sorts. If it exists, then good. If it doesn't, well, you won't know about it since your existence would be over anyway.

 

[osaka35]

(I probably shouldn't be asking) Is there any particular reason why faith is a problem? Faith is simply believing in something that has no scientific or knowledge-based reasons beyond your feelings and instincts. You could have faith in any number of things like family, blood, luck, etc. It's not necessarily tied to the concept of an afterlife in particular. Furthermore, an afterlife (or something beyond death from your perspective) doesn't have to be tied to a religion's perspective of their afterlife (if that is one of the issues.)

I guess what I'm saying is, it doesn't hurt anything to believe in an afterlife of sorts. If it exists, then good. If it doesn't, well, you won't know about it since your existence would be over anyway.

Faith that a certain perception of reality is the one and only reality, with all evidence to the contrary, is a bit much for me.

Faith in a friend serves a purpose. Faith everything will work out serves a similar purpose. You can make a leap of faith and rely on others to push your future forward. Rather than "faith", the terms "trust" or "confidence" might be more accurate in those situations. Faith in these situations are about taking risk. And I don't know if that something risky will pay off, but I have the confidence in the people and in the situation. or in the hope for a future unrealized. This is a different kind of faith than what we're talking about in regards to an afterlife.

Really, what we're talking about here isn't just faith in the lack of evidence or logic...it's faith contrary to evidence and reason. Reality is going to be the way it's going to be, and it's up to us to figure it out. Just leaving it to our feelings, rather than earnestly searching for answers, is why I have a hard time with the cop-out of faith when it comes to determining the nature of reality. In regards to an afterlife in particular: in the end, for me, it's the choice between living your life to prove worthiness for a reward after death, and the choice to live your life to completion here on earth. If you've only got one shot at life, you live it differently than if you think you're just warming up for the big-leagues. intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation, not to put too fine a point on it.

 

[osaka35]

Yes and no, we either do the right thing (e.g. tell the truth instead of lies) which is His path or we destroy ourselves, you understand sir, but we should want to do the right thing, but as Humans we don't want to do the right thing, that is why Jesus came to change our hearts TO want to do the right thing so we can make it to heaven. I can go more in depth if you want. (e.g. If everyone in the world told only lies, where would we be?)

So this god does not create the moral code, he merely abides by it, wishing for us to do the same? The closer we come to perfection, the less punishment we get for not being pure in our ability to abide by this moral code? Does this god create the punishment, or is this also an inherent part of this moral code which exist outside of his control and abilities to control?

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

So this god does not create the moral code, he merely abides by it, wishing for us to do the same? The closer we come to perfection, the less punishment we get for not being pure in our ability to abide by this moral code? Does this god create the punishment, or is this also an inherent part of this moral code which exist outside of his control and abilities to control?

God is the moral code, and we can be led by the Holy Spirit which would guide us AWAY from sin so we can be perfect in the eyes of The Creator, which is given to those who accept Jesus Christ as there personal Lord and Savior (there for stating that you will live under God's moral code to the best of your ability), and even though you are given the Holy Spirit, you will still make mistakes occasionally and sin, and if that happens, you would ask God for forgiveness, and turn away from that sin. "The closer we come to perfection, the less punishment we get for not being pure in our ability to abide by this moral code? " Well the answer is yes and no again as all wrong has it's punishment by humankind, (e.g. murder can have the capital punishment sentence, stealing has a punishment etc.) but God has punishment of some sin through humankind as well, but then he directly punishes Human's for sin as well, but in answer to your question, no, us as Humans as selfish as we are we can't get close to perfection "the closer we come to perfection....", that's why we accept The Creator which is God, his gift of grace on the cross so that our sins can be forgiven and we turn away from ALL our sins, which we do through the Holy Spirit which leads and guides us to do so. "Does this god create the punishment, or is this also an inherent part of this moral code which exist outside of his control and abilities to control?" Yes, God creates the punishment, and yes it's a inherent part of God's moral code that is the only moral code which is Right or Wrong, and no, God doesn't need to control a moral code, because he IS THE moral code, because if there was no punishment for sin there would be no reason not to, but God gives us the choice to sin, or to not, but that punishment is Hell, you see because when we die, we don't really die the Bible says, "For the wages of sin is death...Romans 6:23" when it says that...it is talking about the gruesome, terrible, eating up of our souls by Hellfire which the Bible says was made only for The Devil and his angels, but through us not wanting to turn away from our sins God will give us sins punishment, death of our souls, not existing anymore, but forever this time and with the worst pain ever, before the ultimate death of our souls, to put us out of our misery so to speak, and God sadly having to do so, as truly, "For the wages of sin is death..." or the punishment of sin is death, and it truly is. If you want I recommend going to Bible gateway and using the EXB (Expanded) Bible to study the book of Romans. (known as the epistle of Paul to the Romans) It will help everybody's understanding I promise.

 

[cots]

God is the moral code, and we can be led by the Holy Spirit which would guide us AWAY from sin so we can be perfect in the eyes of The Creator, which is given to those who accept Jesus Christ as there personal Lord and Savior (there for stating that you will live under God's moral code to the best of your ability), and even though you are given the Holy Spirit, you will still make mistakes occasionally and sin, and if that happens, you would ask God for forgiveness, and turn away from that sin. "The closer we come to perfection, the less punishment we get for not being pure in our ability to abide by this moral code? " Well the answer is yes and no again as all wrong has it's punishment by humankind, (e.g. murder can have the capital punishment sentence, stealing has a punishment etc.) but God has punishment of some sin through humankind as well, but then he directly punishes Human's for sin as well, but in answer to your question, no, us as Humans as selfish as we are we can't get close to perfection "the closer we come to perfection....", that's why we accept The Creator which is God, his gift of grace on the cross so that our sins can be forgiven and we turn away from ALL our sins, which we do through the Holy Spirit which leads and guides us to do so. "Does this god create the punishment, or is this also an inherent part of this moral code which exist outside of his control and abilities to control?" Yes, God creates the punishment, and yes it's a inherent part of God's moral code that is the only moral code which is Right or Wrong, and no, God doesn't need to control a moral code, because he IS THE moral code, because if there was no punishment for sin there would be no reason not to, but God gives us the choice to sin, or to not, but that punishment is Hell, you see because when we die, we don't really die the Bible says, "For the wages of sin is death...Romans 6:23" when it says that...it is talking about the gruesome, terrible, eating up of our souls by Hellfire which the Bible says was made only for The Devil and his angels, but through us not wanting to turn away from our sins God will give us sins punishment, death of our souls, not existing anymore, but forever this time and with the worst pain ever, before the ultimate death of our souls, to put us out of our misery so to speak, and God sadly having to do so, as truly, "For the wages of sin is death..." or the punishment of sin is death, and it truly is. If you want I recommend going to Bible gateway and using the EXB (Expanded) Bible to study the book of Romans. (known as the epistle of Paul to the Romans) It will help everybody's understanding I promise.

One of the problems is that people hear the word "God" and automatically shun it. I doubt you'll get anyone to actually read and learn why people believe in him. I was taught as long as you open your soul to God and take in the Holy Spirit that you will go to Heaven no matter the sins you commit, but it is wise to also ask for forgiveness for your sins and strive to do better, but that isn't required to get into Heaven.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

One of the problems is that people hear the word "God" and automatically shun it. I doubt you'll get anyone to actually read and learn why people believe in him. I was taught as long as you open your soul to God and take in the Holy Spirit that you will go to Heaven no matter the sins you commit, but it is wise to also ask for forgiveness for your sins and strive to do better, but that isn't required to get into Heaven.

Sadly you were taught wrong sir, our job as humans is to ask for forgiveness of our sins if we commit any, then with the help of the Holy Spirit to 100% turn AWAY from sin (meaning don't seek after it at ALL) NOBODY can enter Heaven without doing so.

 

[osaka35]

God is the moral code, and we can be led by the Holy Spirit which would guide us AWAY from sin so we can be perfect in the eyes of The Creator, which is given to those who accept Jesus Christ as there personal Lord and Savior (there for stating that you will live under God's moral code to the best of your ability), and even though you are given the Holy Spirit, you will still make mistakes occasionally and sin, and if that happens, you would ask God for forgiveness, and turn away from that sin. "The closer we come to perfection, the less punishment we get for not being pure in our ability to abide by this moral code? " Well the answer is yes and no again as all wrong has it's punishment by humankind, (e.g. murder can have the capital punishment sentence, stealing has a punishment etc.) but God has punishment of some sin through humankind as well, but then he directly punishes Human's for sin as well, but in answer to your question, no, us as Humans as selfish as we are we can't get close to perfection "the closer we come to perfection....", that's why we accept The Creator which is God, his gift of grace on the cross so that our sins can be forgiven and we turn away from ALL our sins, which we do through the Holy Spirit which leads and guides us to do so. "Does this god create the punishment, or is this also an inherent part of this moral code which exist outside of his control and abilities to control?" Yes, God creates the punishment, and yes it's a inherent part of God's moral code that is the only moral code which is Right or Wrong, and no, God doesn't need to control a moral code, because he IS THE moral code, because if there was no punishment for sin there would be no reason not to, but God gives us the choice to sin, or to not, but that punishment is Hell, you see because when we die, we don't really die the Bible says, "For the wages of sin is death...Romans 6:23" when it says that...it is talking about the gruesome, terrible, eating up of our souls by Hellfire which the Bible says was made only for The Devil and his angels, but through us not wanting to turn away from our sins God will give us sins punishment, death of our souls, not existing anymore, but forever this time and with the worst pain ever, before the ultimate death of our souls, to put us out of our misery so to speak, and God sadly having to do so, as truly, "For the wages of sin is death..." or the punishment of sin is death, and it truly is. If you want I recommend going to Bible gateway and using the EXB (Expanded) Bible to study the book of Romans. (known as the epistle of Paul to the Romans) It will help everybody's understanding I promise.

So we are attempting to become gods ourselves, and just falling short? And when we die, we are free of our mortal bodies and are thus capable of becoming demi-gods ourselves? that's a fun narrative, might make for a good short story.

And really? no reason to not sin except for the fear of punishment? That doesn't jive well with how humans actually operate. Our moral code as humans is far far better than that weird notion. Most people do good with knowledge they won't be rewarded, and most people avoid doing wrong even if they know they could get away with it. We don't always do it, but most people tend to do this. And Atheist are not worse people than christians. They might even be better off because they realize relationships with other people are the only thing there is in life, really. They see the world as something we all have to work through together, rather than as a test to avoid punishment if we fail.

god doesn't have to punish people. he chose to. he always has chosen to, according to you. this god believes not being like him is worthy of being tormented for all of eternity? why not a nice rehabilitation program? why not trail and error, with some constructive feedback? Why not kindness instead of this...hateful retribution? I can't get behind such an atrocious deity. I've read the bible, cover to cover, several times with several different versions, and he just seems like the most immoral of creations. Really, just a giant dick. Even the few positives scattered throughout, like "the golden rule", have been superseded by newer and better morality ("the platinum rule").

Romans is really just full of "god is good. god is great. worship him because otherwise you're shit". It's mostly flowery language with reassurances that this deity is definitely the best one. I've read interpretations of this book, and they seem to be really...inventive with the text. it's really weird how this religious stuff works.

Back on topic, the christian after life seems pretty boring, though. I mean, wouldn't you feel worried or sad about people in hell? wouldn't you want to rescue people? I can't imagine ever being happy or want a life like that. I'd feel a moral imperative to try and fix it.

 

[DinohScene]

No.
When you die, you die.
Simple as that.

 

[cots]

Sadly you were taught wrong sir, our job as humans is to ask for forgiveness of our sins if we commit any, then with the help of the Holy Spirit to 100% turn AWAY from sin (meaning don't seek after it at ALL) NOBODY can enter Heaven without doing so.

There are a lot of different religions that state different requirements to enter the Gates of Heaven. From what I've read about the subject matter from various types of groups, Churches and organizations I have come to believe all you need to do is believe in God, that he sent his Son Jesus to die for your sins and if you take in the Holy Ghost into your spirit you will not die and go to hell regardless if you still sin, because we're all sinners and it's impossible to be "sin-free".

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is this a shitpost

Nope, I'm dead serious.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

I believe there's something after death. People close to me have experienced a lot of weird unexplainable things. But I don't believe in Heaven.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

So we are attempting to become gods ourselves, and just falling short? And when we die, we are free of our mortal bodies and are thus capable of becoming demi-gods ourselves? that's a fun narrative, might make for a good short story.

And really? no reason to not sin except for the fear of punishment? That doesn't jive well with how humans actually operate. Our moral code as humans is far far better than that weird notion. Most people do good with knowledge they won't be rewarded, and most people avoid doing wrong even if they know they could get away with it. We don't always do it, but most people tend to do this. And Atheist are not worse people than christians. They might even be better off because they realize relationships with other people are the only thing there is in life, really. They see the world as something we all have to work through together, rather than as a test to avoid punishment if we fail.

god doesn't have to punish people. he chose to. he always has chosen to, according to you. this god believes not being like him is worthy of being tormented for all of eternity? why not a nice rehabilitation program? why not trail and error, with some constructive feedback? Why not kindness instead of this...hateful retribution? I can't get behind such an atrocious deity. I've read the bible, cover to cover, several times with several different versions, and he just seems like the most immoral of creations. Really, just a giant dick. Even the few positives scattered throughout, like "the golden rule", have been superseded by newer and better morality ("the platinum rule").

Romans is really just full of "god is good. god is great. worship him because otherwise you're shit". It's mostly flowery language with reassurances that this deity is definitely the best one. I've read interpretations of this book, and they seem to be really...inventive with the text. it's really weird how this religious stuff works.

Back on topic, the christian after life seems pretty boring, though. I mean, wouldn't you feel worried or sad about people in hell? wouldn't you want to rescue people? I can't imagine ever being happy or want a life like that. I'd feel a moral imperative to try and fix it.

We get our moral code from God friend, don't you understand? Without God there is no standard for what right and wrong is, If not for god there is no reason to be moral as Dostoevsky pointed out "If god does not exist then everything is permitted" which therefore means nothing has a point at all, everything is worthless even living life is worthless, which is the most important thing in our eyes...but because of God.

No.
When you die, you die.
Simple as that.

Not according to the word of the true and living God friend.

 

[DinohScene]

Not according to the word of the true and living God friend.

Ofcourse there isn't ;')
Whatever floats your goat mate.

But face it.
When you die, you die.

You'll likely be put into the ground and sooner or later, worms will start feasting on your rotting corpse the moment the wooden casket breaks.
Or you get burned up and turned into plant fertilizer.
Eventually, the sun will swallow the earth and every human that has ever lived and died here will be gone forever.

No god or other make believe can change that.

 

[osaka35]

We get our moral code from God friend, don't you understand? If not for god there is no reason to be moral as Dostoevsky pointed out "If god does not exist then everything is permitted" which therefore means nothing has a point at all, everything is worthless even living life is worthless, which is the most important thing in our eyes...but because of God.

the universe has no inherent meaning, this is true. We, as humans, are the ones that give meaning to our lives. Things are important because they're important to us. This is why we all have different things that are important to us, and we all have different goals and interest.

Our moral code is a biologically given one. It comes from the interplay of individual wants and group wants. That interaction is what creates the need for moral rules and imperatives. We see this in the animal kingdom, particularly in primates. Our sense of fairness and our sense of kindness and the like, can be documented as having a natural origin. No god needed.

It is interesting how the threat of torture by a god is meant to make you do what it wants you to do (that's called abuse and extortion), instead of just saying "only those who follow me have an afterlife. Otherwise you cease to exist". That'd be a lot scarier to me, I'd think. And you'd be able to get around the moral bankruptcy of letting people suffer for all eternity. They should rewrite the bible again and do that instead.