Do You Believe In God?

[Jack Daniels]

You obvously didnt understand my post. It has been studied that if a parrot/macaw who lost their mother, grows up with their father, they are likely to be gay.

scientific proof! come on you treated me the same way!

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Last time I checked, "all the citations" wasn't the same thing as "90% of the citations." If you looked at the other 10%, the bibliography above the references, or the actual source that's 90%, you would have found plenty of peer-reviewed sources and sources from scientific journals. It has been very much demonstrated that humans are far from the only species to engage in homosexual behavior. This isn't even controversial. Homosexual behavior is very much natural.

It should also be noted that it doesn't matter whether or not humans are the only species to engage in homosexual behavior. Whether or not it's natural and/or exhibited by other animal species is irrelevant to the morality of it. If one is going to argue that homosexuality is immoral or wrong, he or she needs to provide reasoning other than "it's unnatural."


You can see my post above about some possibilities with regard to biological predispositions to homosexual behavior in humans. However, the mechanisms behind how a human or non-human animal becomes homosexual has no bearing on whether or not it's moral.

Im not the one to ask about moral arguments. I dont have the time to research.

 

[Jack Daniels]

Im not the one to ask about moral arguments. I dont have the time to research.

what gives? why do i have to prove and you got no time?
two standards?
really that eans heard from, so it's not real to me

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

what gives? why do i have to prove and you got no time?
two standards?
really that eans heard from, so it's not real to me

I dont have the time to research moral arguments, i have the time to do a quick search on a scientific journal. Sadly I cant find the study I was referring to so you can call me a liar if you want.

 

[amoulton]

nope i have a functioning brain

 

[Jack Daniels]

I dont have the time to research moral arguments, i have the time to do a quick search on a scientific journal. Sadly I cant find the study I was referring to so you can call me a liar if you want.

then it's most likely no science... scientivic reasearch of this kind is public, and if thruthfull should swarm around the internet as proof for the argument of gay is teached...
so again, no proof, and i mean real proof scientivicly profen by more than a self claimed dr.
reason is it's not true... you use fabricated lies by religious groeps as proof.. which is just like whitchcraft to me...

 

[Yil]

Still, I can't get what it has to do with my point: that creator deity could be derived from another deity and so on; thus, saying "there's a god who created everything" is just pointless. It's not only God to be pathetic, but the concept of god itself. Nothing is created and nothing is destroyed: all things evolve.

Yes, but how do suppose particles ever take their current form? How do different form of potential create force?
Consider the creator to be the first sentient form to ever appear that metaphysics was at its current form where particles share same strcture instead of individually different. But yes further structures are a product of evolution. Also humans are product of evolution but the body is even more complicated than biogist know. However it requires use of equipment current found in physics lab, which are only to be handled by phycists.

 

[Jack Daniels]

Yes, but how do suppose particles ever take their current form? How do different form of potential create force?
Consider the creator to be the first sentient form to ever appear that metaphysics was at its current form where particles share same strcture instead of individually different. But yes further structures are a product of evolution. Also humans are product of evolution but the body is even more complicated than biogist know. However it requires use of equipment current found in physics lab, which are only to be handled by phycists.

science needs proof, so we base our findings on what we can prove to excist, there can be creation, just read my previous posts on that matter to assure you for once and for all it is impossible for a god to excist... if god created all as selfreflect, as being perfect he can't deny 20% of his creation, if we were ever perfect why do we make war, why is there hunger, why is there slavery? and don't tell me we did so, we are a reflexion of the perfect god.

 

[Yil]

then it's most likely no science... scientivic reasearch of this kind is public, and if thruthfull should swarm around the internet as proof for the argument of gay is teached...
so again, no proof, and i mean real proof scientivicly profen by more than a self claimed dr.
reason is it's not true... you use fabricated lies by religious groeps as proof.. which is just like whitchcraft to me...

I only find witchcraft to be lazy, and techically everything that Christians do are witchcraft.

 

[mashers]

I mean, is it becuase of a mental issue or is it an actual evolutionary trait? Its like a male parrot only having a father, due to this they turn out gay.

I don't believe animals in the wild experience "mental issues", unless you can provide evidence that they do. Parrots 'turning out gay' isn't enough (being homosexual isn't a 'mental issue' after all) - unless in the evidence you have the parrot somehow communicated that it was depressed following the lack of its mother and this lead to an attachment issue to females, stronger attachments to males, and ultimately sexual feeling towards them. To be honest though, I'd be surprised if a parrot were able to experience such emotions. Perhaps they just like cockatoo?

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if god created all as selfreflect, as being perfect he can't deny 20% of his creation, if we were ever perfect why do we make war, why is there hunger, why is there slavery?

I think it's because someone ate an apple from the wrong tree one time, and that made god really angry for some reason, and that somehow justifies god having a tantrum and completely fucking everything up for everyone. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

[Yil]

science needs proof, so we base our findings on what we can prove to excist, there can be creation, just read my previous posts on that matter to assure you for once and for all it is impossible for a god to excist... if god created all as selfreflect, as being perfect he can't deny 20% of his creation, if we were ever perfect why do we make war, why is there hunger, why is there slavery? and don't tell me we did so, we are a reflexion of the perfect god.

No the creator never directly create the humans. Humans are indeed a product of evolution, but evolution in itself is more complicated than juat genes when animals gain the ability to think. I am talking about the diety that let metaphysics take a less chaotic form.
Humans are just some random species that are smarter than every other spiecies we know. But even much smaller animals have the capability to do crazy things. But Christians cannot accpect that humans are not special.

 

[gnmmarechal]

science needs proof, so we base our findings on what we can prove to excist, there can be creation, just read my previous posts on that matter to assure you for once and for all it is impossible for a god to excist... if god created all as selfreflect, as being perfect he can't deny 20% of his creation, if we were ever perfect why do we make war, why is there hunger, why is there slavery? and don't tell me we did so, we are a reflexion of the perfect god.

I don't find war, hunger, etc as something unnatural or even wrong to some extent. In fact, it happens to pretty much every species as well. It's only natural, as unfortunate as it is.

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[Jack Daniels]

No the creator never directly create the humans. Humans are indeed a product of evolution, but evolution in itself is more complicated than juat genes when animals gain the ability to think. I am talking about the diety that let metaphysics take a less chaotic form.
Humans are just some random species that are smarter than every other spiecies we know. But even much smaller animals have the capability to do crazy things. But Christians cannot accpect that humans are not special.

less chaotic forms, what, running whit a spear after tigers was far less complicated then the electronics of today!

 

[Yil]

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less chaotic forms, what, running whit a spear after tigers was far less complicated then the electronics of today!

How do you think atoms exist when more fundamental particles are just like string theory described.

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I don't find war, hunger, etc as something unnatural or even wrong to some extent. In fact, it happens to pretty much every species as well. It's only natural, as unfortunate as it is.

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Nature is both beautiful and threatening.

 

[Pikm]

Well this entire conversation is extremely toxic.

 

[mashers]

Well this entire conversation is extremely toxic.

Why? It's just people having a debate. I don't see anything wrong here.

 

[Jack Daniels]

Well this entire conversation is extremely toxic.

what toxic? it's just talking about the fundaments of life... i think everyone should have the freedom to see all ideas before they make up thier mind.
i might use some rude tactics to make a point though... but well that's just because i still feel the stress it took me to get out of all religions

 

[Yil]

Well this entire conversation is extremely toxic.

Metaphysics (which we call theoritical physics) and biology do not mix.

 

[Pikm]

Why? It's just people having a debate. I don't see anything wrong here.

I wouldn't call saying that being gay is a mental issue "having a debate". It's more close to being straight up ignorant.

 

[Yil]

what toxic? it's just talking about the fundaments of life... i think everyone should have the freedom to see all ideas before they make up thier mind.

You are talking about things that are clearly not made of atoms using the interpretation of biology.