Hacking Source Unverified: SuperCard Team is developing DSTwo+

[heartgold]

It's been already stated a few times, I think.

I'm really curious about this, haven't brought a 3DS flashcart yet. The Supercard team delivers high quality products, I'd be delighted if they get involved in the scene.

 

[HtheB]

My thoughts?

The Supercard left us already a lot of years alone with the 3DS scene.
But Gateway on the other hand..................

Gateway ftw!

Edit: But yeah, Supercard is the king of the regular DS scene

 

[duffmmann]

My thoughts?

The Supercard left us already a lot of years alone with the 3DS scene.
But Gateway on the other hand..................

Gateway ftw!

Edit: But yeah, Supercard is the king of the regular DS scene

At least the DSTwo team didn't have a mechanism in their cards that would brick your 3DS if you had (knowingly or unknowingly) bought a clone card, and even on a few legit cards too.

I respect that Gateway was here first, but their ways of handling things that are of their concern like that I do not approve of and frankly leave me very wary of ever dealing with that team. As such, if this DSTwo+ card turns out to be legit and fulfills all the things that Gateway does, then the Supercard team will be the ones getting my money and not Gateway. If however the DSTwo+ card doesn't work on the new 3DS and its firmware out of the box but the new Gateway will, then yes, Gateway will reluctantly get my money.

 

[migles]

http://gbatemp.net/threads/source-unverified-supercard-team-is-developing-dstwo.374308/

 

[Armadillo]

At least the DSTwo team didn't have a mechanism in their cards that would brick your 3DS if you had (knowingly or unknowingly) bought a clone card, and even on a few legit cards too.

Nintendo did as well though. 4.2 would brick region changed Korean wiis. If you bought one, knowingly or unknowingly and went to 4.2, you got a nice intentional 003 error.

Seriously, I don't get why Nintendo gets a free pass for their intentional brick, but Gateway does not.

 

[HtheB]

At least the DSTwo team didn't have a mechanism in their cards that would brick your 3DS if you had (knowingly or unknowingly) bought a clone card, and even on a few legit cards too.

I respect that Gateway was here first, but their ways of handling things that are of their concern like that I do not approve of and frankly leave me very wary of ever dealing with that team. As such, if this DSTwo+ card turns out to be legit and fulfills all the things that Gateway does, then the Supercard team will be the ones getting my money and not Gateway. If however the DSTwo+ card doesn't work on the new 3DS and its firmware out of the box but the new Gateway will, then yes, Gateway will reluctantly get my money.

Look, everybody can make mistakes. Why would someone buy a clone card anyway?
Everybody knows that those clone cards has bad support.

Look around the regular DS Flashcards, HOW MANY clones are out there?
Even clones of clones... and clones of THOSE clones.... (ugh)
If you ask me, it's actually very genius of what Gateway did. It scared the hell out of all those clone brands.
(How many 3DS Flashcards clones are there? )

It made people also wake up to not buy those clones, but the real ones.
It IS pretty f-ed that there were also fake Gateways out there, but the reseller should be blamed off..
(Oh and Gateway always stated that you should buy from the official resellers )

Again, my support is going for Gateway (no, I'm not a fanboy. I'm just a user that gives his opinion about how Gateway opened a door for the 3DS Scene. (hence the name Gateway )

 

[Kioku]

2015.. Typo?

Also, I like the options these polls have lately.. You either sound excited, or like an ass.

 

[duffmmann]

Nintendo did as well though. 4.2 would brick region changed Korean wiis. If you bought one, knowingly or unknowingly and went to 4.2, you got a nice intentional 003 error.

Seriously, I don't get why Nintendo gets a free pass for their intentional brick, but Gateway does not.

So? It's not Nintendo's job to endorse piracy, in fact I wholly expect them to try and brick your console if you are using it for piracy. Thats a very silly comparison to try and draw. Let's compare it to something that makes more sense. Last gen, did DSTwo or any similar type of card/flashcard/clonecard ever do such a thing that purposely would brick your DS if you used a competitors card (or worse yet brick a few DSs that were using your actual official card)? No?! What a surprise. This thread is simple, DSTwo hasn't fucked people over in the past, Gateway has. Nintendo doesn't offer such a card, and it makes perfect sense that they would try to brick your console if you use such things. So at the end of the day, DSTwo+ will get my money before Gateway, unless for whatever reason Gateway works on the new 3DS and the new DSTwo+ doesn't. Simple as that. If you want to trust the shadiest of these companies (Gateway), you're absolutely free to do so, but don't try and say its the same as Nintendo trying to stop pirates, as that is an incredibly different situation altogether.

 

[Armadillo]

So? It's not Nintendo's job to endorse piracy, in fact I wholly expect them to try and brick your console if you are using it for piracy. Thats a very silly comparison to try and draw

Region change was not for piracy though. Just converting the consoles region was enough, you did not have to have any cios or similar installed.

It's not a silly comparison either. People tend to have a problem with Gateway bricking consoles. A brick is a brick.

, but don't try and say its the same as Nintendo trying to stop pirates, as that is an incredibly different situation altogether.

As above, not only pirates were effected. Also what were Gateway attempting to do? Stop piracy of their device.

 

[duffmmann]

Look, everybody can make mistakes. Why would someone buy a clone card anyway?
Everybody knows that those clone cards has bad support.

Look around the regular DS Flashcards, HOW MANY clones are out there?
Even clones of clones... and clones of THOSE clones.... (ugh)
If you ask me, it's actually very genius of what Gateway did. It scared the hell out of all those clone brands.
(How many 3DS Flashcards clones are there? )

It made people also wake up to not buy those clones, but the real ones.
It IS pretty f-ed that there were also fake Gateways out there, but the reseller should be blamed off..
(Oh and Gateway always stated that you should buy from the official resellers )

Again, my support is going for Gateway (no, I'm not a fanboy. I'm just a user that gives his opinion about how Gateway opened a door for the 3DS Scene. (hence the name Gateway )

Exactly, and you can make the mistake of not knowing you weren't buying an official Gateway or not knowing your card was a clone, after all if one company had made a flashcart, why would it be hard to believe that another found another similar way and wasn't clone? Why should the consumer be punished for the actions of competitors?

I get that the people that stole the design should be punished, but as a consumer it would have been incredibly easy to be oblivious to this design being a clone, that to me never warrants destroying your $200 handheld.

And I know that in the piracy game you can't really sue other companies for stealing your design because what you're doing isn't legal to begin with. So I know that puts them between a rock and a hard place, but again, that shouldn't mean that the consumer deserves to get fucked over. But its because of their lack of options and what they did there before that makes me so uneasy to ever trust Gateway. I love what they did for the scene, but I can't approve of company practices like that at all.

 

[tony_2018]

Thank god, new topic.

 

[Abcdfv]

Is the only thing stopping Gateway from running NDS roms the fact that, every time a DS game is run the DS Profile exploit gets reset, and has to be reinstalled?

No, a completly different firmware takes over the system to handle DS(i) and a seperate one for GBA simulation, which is why these two modes are broken/ Gateway implemented hack and working versions of them yet

 

[duffmmann]

Region change was not for piracy though. Just converting the consoles region was enough, you did not have to have any cios or similar installed.

It's not a silly comparison either. People tend to have a problem with Gateway bricking consoles. A brick is a brick.

Why would anyone change regions of their Wii to begin with? If you softmodded your Wii you can run games from any region, there was no reason to ever change region of your console (a practice that is known to be dangerous on any console from any company to begin with). I mean if you got bricked for that, you only have yourself to blame.

As above, not only pirates were effected. Also what were Gateway attempting to do? Stop piracy of their device.

Yeah but Gateway shouldn't be punishing those that bought other cards as I'm sure much of them had no idea that their card was a clone when they bought it, or may never have known until the whole thing bricked on them.

If you want to support Gateway, go ahead, but I don't trust them at all, no other company with a similar like card for a device has ever gone to such extremes, and it should have been their goal to somehow punish those that made the clones, not those that bought them, as those that bought them still paid money for their device and like I said many may have had no idea there was anything wrong with their card. Rolex doesn't have the fake watches stop on those that bought a counterfeit unbeknownst to them. Instead they go after the counterfeiters.

 

[purupuru]

I'll be pretty interested as soon as SC makes an official announcement.

 

[enarky]

The DSTWOs EOS is just cheap. It's nothing compared to Wood, AKAIO or the Evolution OS (CycloDS).
It doesn't have integrated 3in1 support. With Wood or Evolution OS (CycloDS) you can run GBA games like normal DS games if you have an ez 3in1 expansion pack.

And which of those still works with an updated 3DS? What's your point? Why should I care for a fancy menu when my card doesn't work anymore?

 

[Armadillo]

Why would anyone change regions of their Wii to begin with? If you softmodded your Wii you can run games from any region, there was no reason to ever change region of your console (a practice that is known to be dangerous on any console from any company to begin with). I mean if you got bricked for that, you only have yourself to blame.

Eshop access for one. A region changed wii has access to the correct shop if you want to buy wiiware/dlc rather than wads.

Also most of them were coming out of Korea/that area of the world. Stores would change Korean wiis to US ones (more in demand for some reason), as it was cheaper than getting actual US region ones.

Plenty of people had no idea they had been changed until the 4.2 update came out. It was also specifically targeting Korean wiis. Region changed EU to US, or US to EU had no ill effects, so it was intentional.

Yeah but Gateway shouldn't be punishing those that bought other cards as I'm sure much of them had no idea that their card was a clone when they bought it, or may never have known until the whole thing bricked on them.

Same for the Wiis. A lot had no idea they had been changed over.


If people don't want to trust Gateway for their past actions, that's fine. It's just a little odd that people give Nintendo a free pass for the same actions.

Maybe you don't see it the same, see it as justified for Nintendo, then fine, I'm not going to change your position on it. At least you bothered to answer , unlike a lot who claim they are "against bricking" in any way and ignore Nintendo doing it.

 

[duffmmann]

Same for the Wiis. A lot had no idea they had been changed over.

If people don't want to trust Gateway for their past actions, that's fine. It's just a little odd that people give Nintendo a free pass for the same actions.

Maybe you don't see it the same, see it as justified for Nintendo, then fine, I'm not going to change your position on it. At least you bothered to answer , unlike a lot who claim they are "against bricking" in any way and ignore Nintendo doing it.

Nintendo will always have a right in my eyes to stop any type of piracy, be it flash cards, homebrew, or even region changing. I personally don't have any problem with using homebrew or if for whatever reason you really need to change your console's region, and if you buy a console used, you know the risks you're taking there with it potentially not working at all. I see what you're getting at, but it is a very very different situation in my eyes. Nintendo is trying to stop all piracy (and rightfully so), Gateway is just trying to make the consumer only use their product, stating, "don't trust anyone else, we're the only product that doesn't brick" (even though a few legit ones still did). To me that just seems super lame, punish the counterfeiters, not those that often unbeknownst to them actually bought the counterfeit.

I have $10 in ones in my pocket. As far as I know they are all legit real $1 bills. But can you imagine if one of them is a counterfeit and I didn't know (as they do make it out there into circulation), and I went to buy a soda or something, and suddenly I'm getting arrested and thrown into prison simply because I was using a bill that for all I knew was the real deal, but wasn't at all. That shouldn't be my problem, it should be the counterfeiters' problem.

 

[Armadillo]

I have $10 in ones in my pocket. As far as I know they are all legit real $1 bills. But can you imagine if one of them is a counterfeit and I didn't know (as they do make it out there into circulation), and I went to buy a soda or something, and suddenly I'm getting arrested and thrown into prison simply because I was using a bill that for all I knew was the real deal, but wasn't at all. That shouldn't be my problem, it should be the counterfeiters' problem.

True, it should be their problem. I know you don't see them the same, but the same can be said for the wiis also. Nintendo should have been after the stores selling the changed versions, not the consumers buying them.

Nintendo will always have a right in my eyes to stop any type of piracy, be it flash cards, homebrew, or even region changing. I personally don't have any problem with using homebrew or if for whatever reason you really need to change your console's region, and if you buy a console used, you know the risks you're taking there with it potentially not working at all. I see what you're getting at, but it is a very very different situation in my eyes.

Ok you see it as different, no problem . A lot of the anti-gateway people, especially around when they first happened, and even now, seem to hold the position of "bricking isn't right, ever", but ignore Nintendo/leave the topic when brought up. (I've brought it up before). You are the first to actually bother to reply why you think it's ok for one and not the other .

 

[Technicmaster0]

And which of those still works with an updated 3DS? What's your point? Why should I care for a fancy menu when my card doesn't work anymore?

The R4i Gold still works (and it supports wood officially). And not everyone uses a 3DS.

 

[Timburpton]

I wondering if DSTwo+ for 3ds comes up, will people claim it is gateway clone