Hacking What happens when NinjaHAX is patched?

[endoverend]

It's just a vulnerability in a game to access a vulnerability in the system firmware. All they'd really need to do is patch the firmware and then the game doesn't even matter.

Ninjahax is the first step to creating a homebrew scene that is entirely open source with no need for supplementary hardware (well, not counting Cubic Ninja). It is a direct counter to the way Gateway operates, being closed-source and requiring expensive extra hardware as well as requiring users to be on a 3DS with a specific old firmware installed. Ninjahax works on all firmwares from 4.1-9.X.

But it's very likely that the exploit will be patched, as smealum himself stated. The prices for the game are skyrocketing with no chance of getting a copy for less than $30. Nintendo is aware of the exploit as shown by their removal of Cubic Ninja from the Japanese eShop. A simple patch could likely put Ninjahax in the same position as Gateway. Would it be worth it to stay on a firmware which allows less access than Gateway while still blocking online features? There is also no option for "emuNAND" as Gateway has done allowing online features using injected headers. Ninjahax may not even be worth it anymore once a patch is released.

Due to the nature of the exploit, I find it unlikely that a fix will be created by smealum for Ninjahax on higher firmwares. It's very specific, unlike DS card exploits. WHat do you think will happen to the users using Ninjahax? Will they remain on old firmware, or will Ninjahax be forgotten?

 

[Xeonhawk]

Then don't update your 3DS.

 

[endoverend]

Then don't update your 3DS.

Was trying to provoke some slightly more thoughtful responses.

 

[osm70]

What happens when it gets patched?
Thats simple, it stops working.

 

[y03usw6e]

It's almost as if you were expecting something other than common sense as a response...

 

[Armadillo]

When the day comes, we will see how many users actually care about homebrew.

 

[JCR1]

If blocked along with sky3ds or new gateway 9-9.2 method, you cannot play newer games that require newer firmware if you don´t update, but if you update you cannot play backups or homebrew. but there is a chance that they cannot block native 9.2 flashcards maybe...is not sure

 

[PhoenixWrightX]

Sorry but who cares.

This isn't a new situation. This is just like Gateway 3DS.

They'll either stay on the firmware, or update.

Period.

 

[Danjal]

Would it be worth it to stay on a firmware which allows less access than Gateway while still blocking online features?

Would it be worth staying on a version to maintain Ninjhax functionality at the cost of losing other functionality?

Well I guess that all depends on what you personally want from your device and what people manage to cook up with homebrew...
Much like how there are both pro's and con's to using Gateway, SKY3DS or the other cards, each comes with its own baggage and there really isn't a clear-cut answer to be had.

Now I'd say, due to overlap - staying on a FW version that supports both Ninjhax aswell as Gateway/SKY3DS gives you additional options as a user, making staying more worthwhile.
Though then still its a choice you have to weigh for yourself. What is it *YOU* want from your device?

 

[gamesquest1]

either
A) you update and sell your copy of cubic ninja to someone who wants it
B) you don't update and continue to use homebrew as long as you like
C) you get a nand mod installed and upgrade/downgrade between 9.2 or lower and 9.3 and higher depending on what mood your in
D) get a 4.x console + gateway and enjoy the best of both worlds homebrew and most probably newer FW support via emunand

 

[Kylecito]

So far homebrew is nothing but small tests and emulators (funny considering most devs are "against piracy"), so for the time being I guess it would be quickly forgotten and replaced by GW.

 

[Nollog]

So far homebrew is nothing but small tests and emulators (funny considering most devs are "against piracy"), so for the time being I guess it would be quickly forgotten and replaced by GW.

butbutbubtubtubtubtubtu but pirating OLD games isn't piracy :'((

 

[Armadillo]

I wouldn't read too much into "against piracy". No one releasing stuff publicly rather than anonymously is going to say "piracy, have at it".

We've already seen it's a load of shit from a least one dev. Sitting on the moral high horse, while being part of/or dumping games for Legacy. Dumping games for a scene group, very "against piracy".

 

[Canadacdn]

butbutbubtubtubtubtubtu but pirating OLD games isn't piracy :'((

I hope the proliferation of emulators on 3DS finally gives Nintendo the good, solid boot in the ass they need to start taking the Virtual Console seriously. Expand the library, offer GBA and SNES support and sell your games at reasonable prices already!

 

[Stalkid64]

Emulators are not piracy as knives are not inherently murder weapons. It's just the most common extra usage they allow.

 

[y03usw6e]

Emulators are not piracy as knives are not inherently murder weapons. It's just the most common extra usage they allow.

Knives are most commonly used as murder weapons?

You must be from Detroit.

 

[williamcesar2]

if it had kernel access, maybe it had a light at the end of the tunnel, but because of hypocrisy, it going to die !

Kernel access = emuNand = to see the light at the end of the tunnel

 

[Doran754]

if it had kernel access, maybe it had a light at the end of the tunnel, but because of hypocrisy, it going to die !

Kernel access = emuNand = to see the light at the end of the tunnel

Just buy a gateway and 4.5 console is you're that bothered about pirating 3ds games. It's not even remotely hypocritical to allow homebrew without allowing retail games to be pirated. Why would you think it is?

 

[williamcesar2]

Emulators are not piracy as knives are not inherently murder weapons. It's just the most common extra usage they allow.

yeah ! Kernel access is not piracy as knives are not inherently murder weapons. It's just the most common extra usage they allow. doesn't it ?

 

[DinohScene]

What happens when ninjhax gets patched.

Well, the people that want homebrew won't update.
More techsavvy people will poke holes in other games on higher firmwares.
Some will switch back and forth with a NAND flasher.

Ninjhax will get patched by Ninty.
I for one haven't updated past 4.5.
I barely have interest in 3DS games anyway.