Hacking Gateway update regarding rumors

[McHaggis]

Dodgy yes.
Just not as dodgy as what r4i and the other Gateway clones do.

How do you figure that? Gateway targeted and intentionally bricked consumer devices. That's a lot dodgier than cloning somebody's product.

 

[w0dash]

How do you figure that? Gateway targeted and intentionally bricked consumer devices. That's a lot dodgier than cloning somebody's product.

It is still the clones card firmwares that brick devices, and so it is their responsibility. Gateway does not have to make her software easily copyable to make sure they work on all kind of clone cards.

If the copycats are not able to crack GWs bricking routine, it is completely their fault to release this stuff.

 

[frown]

Gateway is impersonating a guard for the 3DS and did the research to get the keys/codes to gain access. This situation is just clones trying to steal Gateway's business of letting unauthorized people in by stealing a copy of their latest keys/codes. It isn't Gateway's fault that their competition ripped them off and sold the booby trapped keys/codes without proper research on how they work.

You can't expect to publicly release something like this without having at least a few copycats arise.
I can understand Gateway being upset at being plagiarized and undersold, but still, responding with destructive AP?
Yeesh.

 

[escherbach]

Hm, your aren't exactly the longest member of this community either... Gateway crew member? (But only for marketing/social influence, it is obvious your technical background is lacking...)
And roughly half of your awesome 200+ postings consist of "Gateway is awesome - I knew it all along - you dirty clone card supporters got what you deserve - Gateway's security checks to not brick a console with untouched launcher.dat are infallible"

So let's summarize: No 3DS game released until today will brick your console! Stay with the original authors and developers!

If you like my post buy yourself a game!

EDIT: For everybody requesting the "bricking code" instead the pseudo code (from neimod?/yellows8?/whatever)

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Hm okay maybe this is the 3rd image a google search for "asm code" gives, but for most of the people asking for code this should suffice...

That isn't even ARM code that's Intel code

 

[McHaggis]

It is still the clones card firmwares that brick devices, and so it is their responsibility. Gateway does not have to make her software easily copyable to make sure they work on all kind of clone cards.

If the copycats are not able to crack GWs bricking routine, it is completely their fault to release this stuff.

I agree with you that their's a level of responsibility that lies with the clone companies. But Gateway have shown a blatant disregard for consumers by coding an intentional device brick into their launcher in the first place. If they wanted to protect their products, they should have looked for another way.

 

[osirisjem]

How do you figure that? Gateway targeted and intentionally bricked consumer devices. That's a lot dodgier than cloning somebody's product.

That is how you see it.
Gateway didn't brick any devices.
I think the inept r4i team failed to protect their customers.
I guess when your product is made by people who know jack squat, you are at risk.

Maybe the r4i team can learn how to make their own product, until then the only safe card is a Gateway.

 

[BIFFTAZ]

But Gateway have shown a blatant disregard for consumers by coding an intentional device brick into their launcher in the first place.

The one's that got bricked are not their consumer's... They are the clone's consumers... Not GW's. The one's that bricked using GW's cart used a UNOFFICIAL mod that allow's RF carts, Thats the user's problem for using UNOFFICIAL mod's.

 

[Rinth]

I agree with you that their's a level of responsibility that lies with the clone companies. But Gateway have shown a blatant disregard for consumers by coding an intentional device brick into their launcher in the first place. If they wanted to protect their products, they should have looked for another way.

The ones who have shown that blatant disregard for consumers were the clones. They had months of time to build something themselves (like MT-Card) instead of copying GW patch after patch, with virtually no testing and all the rushing their Ctrl-P could muster. They really only cared about making money out of copying GW's work.

In a rather karmic turn of events, the only clone that didn't break was MT-Card, which was based upon an older version of the GW firmware with new additions being made by the MT-Card team itself instead of copying straight from GW.

 

[frown]

So running unauthorized software is okay, but running unauthorized modifications of unauthorized software is a no? lol

 

[Technicmaster0]

In a rather karmic turn of events, the only clone that didn't break was MT-Card, which was based upon an older version of the GW firmware with new additions being made by the MT-Card team itself instead of copying straight from GW.

Although it could be that the MT-Card uses a very old internal beta version.

 

[the_randomizer]

So running unauthorized software is okay, but running unauthorized modifications of unauthorized software is a no? lol

Well of course it isn't, they said so themselves, right? Right??

 

[Rinth]

Although it could be that the MT-Card uses a very old internal beta version.

That's likely. The brick code was only introduced in 2.0b2. The fact that MT-Card doesn't even have EmuNAND, region free or any of the GW patches suggest that the GW firmware must originally predate 1.2.

 

[Rinth]

Although it could be that the MT-Card uses a very old internal beta version.

That's likely. The brick code was only introduced in 2.0b2. The fact that MT-Card doesn't even have EmuNAND, region free or any of the GW patches suggest that the GW firmware must originally predate 1.2.

 

[Technicmaster0]

That's likely. The brick code was only introduced in 2.0b2. The fact that MT-Card doesn't even have EmuNAND, region free or any of the GW patches suggest that the GW firmware must originally predate 1.2.

The launcher has Firmware spoofing (for SDK 5.X games), Region Unlock, a GUI and Multi ROM. Nothing more and nothing less. Firmware Spoofing and Region Unlock have been included into the 1.2 launcher, GUI and Multi ROM not.

 

[Ryukouki]

Jesus christ these images. Make them smaller, please.

 

[Qtis]

That is how you see it.
Gateway didn't brick any devices.
I think the inept r4i team failed to protect their customers.
I guess when your product is made by people who know jack squat, you are at risk.

Maybe the r4i team can learn how to make their own product, until then the only safe card is a Gateway.

So you'd be perfectly fine with Microsoft adding a killswitch to every single copy of Windows (legit/illlegal)? Once a certain event (timeframe, open a certain window/program, etc) happens, the program will fry your computer since it wasn't an OEM flash drive (flashcart) that you used to replace the HDD (game cart). This is basically what the situation is. Regardless of opinion.

Jesus christ these images. Make them smaller, please.

And also, use spoiler tags! That's what they are for in case of images!

 

[jcipher]

Until someone creates an open source launcher, it doesn't matter what Gateway did or did not do.

At the end of the day, Gateway is currently the only product that works with regular updates. Gateway users want Gateway to makes sales so they'd have the incentive to create updates. Clone users want updates which they aren't entitled to have if the source is from Gateway.

If the clones can't release new firmwares then their users should stay on a version that works. Everyone's just looking out for their own self-interest.

 

[frown]

So you'd be perfectly fine with Microsoft adding a killswitch to every single copy of Windows (legit/illlegal)? Once a certain event (timeframe, open a certain window/program, etc) happens, the program will fry your computer since it wasn't an OEM flash drive (flashcart) that you used to replace the HDD (game cart). This is basically what the situation is. Regardless of opinion.

Hey, don't give Microsoft any ideas!

Spoiler

Firmware bricker confirmed for Windows RT SP1

Until someone creates an open source launcher, it doesn't matter what Gateway did or did not do. -snip-

Methinks this is more likely to happen now than it was before.

 

[WiiUBricker]

I wonder if Gonintendo actually does some research before they post news. Dumb article: http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=220496

 

[Green Cat]

EDIT: For everybody requesting the "bricking code" instead the pseudo code (from neimod?/yellows8?/whatever)

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Hm okay maybe this is the 3rd image a google search for "asm code" gives, but for most of the people asking for code this should suffice...

This is Intel (x86) code for division, not much alike to the real ARM bricking code x).

 

[ground]

If they wanted to just fuck up the cloner's 3DSes, they would have made it brick 100% of the time instead of randomly. I'm assuming they did this to make it seem like the clone cards are unreliable, not to mess with the cloner's 3DSes. Testing wouldn't help since it's random. It could just not appear in testing.

that is completely true.

But don't forget that the cloners already changed the code (also the code which is checking if the launcher is genuine). So maybe they altered that bricking code also somehow (accidently).
And the fact that a few people on the internet are saying it is random doesn't mean it is true right away. I don't know that much about coding, but the only thin i see are a few strange bytes, and if those people can see the bricking process that easily then why didn't the cloners see it

You can't expect to publicly release something like this without having at least a few copycats arise.
I can understand Gateway being upset at being plagiarized and undersold, but still, responding with destructive AP?
Yeesh.

they didn't expect it, that is why they put in that code hahaha