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I was happy about Nintendon't development ..mainly cause of the possible audio streaming (that DiosMios didn't have)
Well ...I like Crediar's work and I respect him enough for what he have done untill now ...so even with the apparently bad situation, I wish good luck to him and his actual and new projects
Don't mind the haters Crediar (and I hope you get back to tweak Nintendon't some day
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Good job missing the point entirely. The GameCube has a small library and that is a fact, not an opinion - you can deal with it or you can stay deluded. GameCube emulation or even native support is already available on a variety of platforms, one less is no huge loss. If you can't handle an opinion contrary to your own and have to resort to name calling and anecdotal evidence, you are the "idiot" around here.
How did I miss the point? You stated:
the Gamecube is a 12-year old console, you can play all of the 5 Gamecube games on the Gamecube, the Wii, PC via Dolphin and soon also smartphones
Your first point that its 12 years old is immediately irrelevant, so that should be removed from discussion right away. We have far older systems running on the Wii U, should they be removed because they're too old and accessible by other means? If that's seriously your argument then thats foolish.
Your next point was insisting that there are only 5 GC games worth playing anyway. Which is total shit, I have well over 100 GC games running on my Wii through Dios Mios, and I've played well over half of them, and play more as time goes on (me and my friends try to make a point of playing a different game every time we hang out, unless we're super invested in something). When I ultimately make the shift to the Wii U, I would love to not have to use my Wii at all. The convenience of having as many systems in one is what people want. If I got a Wii U right now, I would have to keep my Wii, thats a major pain in the ass.
Its not necessary by any means, obviously, no one is arguing it is. But if your argument is that there is no demand, well that is a fallacy, as it is simply not true.
By saying that it's a 12-year-old sytem and stating that there are numerous alternatives immediately after saying that I meant that over the course of time, alternatives were developed and perfected and the need for native support on the system is minimal, which is why Nintendo opted out of implementing it in later Wii's and the Wii U - there were no technological restrictions preventing them from implementing it, the architectures are cross-compatible, it just wasn't deemed a priority or a demanded feature and was hence cut.
You having 100 GC games on your Wii is the definition of anecdotal evidence - the average user will have problems naming 20 must-have titles, let alone a 100. I used the figure "5" metaphorically to illustrate that the library is small.
If you want to minimize the number of machines by your TV, buy an HTPC which will emulate as well as improve Gamecube titles with HD rendering and will handle a great number of platforms. If you are a retro gamer like myself then you'll probably want to play them on their original platform or at least the Wii. Either way, there is no great demand fo the application - the fact that you want it is subjective and irrelevant.
tl;dr Nobody buys a brand-new system to play old-ass games, backwards compatibility with a system from 2 generations ago is a cool gimmick but by no means a requirement. It's a shame, life goes on.
Correction, you don't buy a new system to play old-ass games. Don't speak for everyone cuz that is completely not true of many, myself included.
The reason I bought the Wii in the first place was for multiple reasons, one being for the fantastic few exclusives that came its way, but another (And very large reason at that) was because of how easy it was to hack and how i'd be able to load all my favorite old systems and handhelds into one device. There is no denying the convenience of this. And I know I'm not alone in loving the ability to play all these "old ass games." The truth is a must have game is a must have game no matter the age. If someone doesn't have Mario 3 and has never played it, I would suggest to them right now to find a means to play it, if they don't have an NES, get a system or computer that can emulate and play it, you'll be doing yourself a favor.
I use my Wii more for emulators of my old systems more than anything. And I own some of those old systems, but the convenience of it all being in one device and wireless controllers is impossible to deny.
You speak of requirements, but the fact of the matter is no game is required to be played at all. Is it a crime to want the most out of your system?
Again, "nobody" used metaphorically. I could say that nobody enjoys having their balls crushed in a vice and yet chances are that there would be 5 guys out there who do, it's just that they don't mean squat in the world of statistics. Context is key.
You don't have to explain the value of retro gaming to me, I literally have 9 systems sitting above my TV right now, no joke. If you bought the Wii specifically for emulation, you would be a dummy as there were other alternatives that did a better job at it, but you did not - you bought it for a number of reasons, the first being Wii games. Everything beyond that is cherries on the cake, is it not?
He means that out of the hundreds of games on the GameCube, your favorites will only be around 5 to 10. I plan to own a substantial collection of games, but I'll always have a favorite.
Well, you know, he does have a point. In addition to you, there are other people who play the GameCube, but compared to you, they play more than five games. Like me. I've got seven I like to play.
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Cease and desist letter from Nintendo? I'm kinda curious what exactly would make it really not an option.
That would be cool.
Well, judging by the "loading custom kernel" message you see when running it, you'd have to sort through a combination of PPC and ARM binaries there ... also, just in case his feelings about not continuing with this is not as permanent as we're thinking, going and trying to crack open some of his closes source work just doesn't sound like a good way to keep him in a good mood.
My point in saying what I said was that if you have any lasting interest in playing Gamecube games at this point in time then chances are that you already have methods of doing just that and losing (or rather "not gaining") one of them is not a substantial loss - that's literally all I said. It would be nice to have that feature on the Wii U, but it's not quintesential.
I would much rather see hacking efforts go into hacking Wii U Mode to reap the full benefits of the system rather than dwelling in vWii which I consider as much a dead end as DS Mode on the 3DS or PSP Mode on the PSVita.
With the rapid development of mobile platforms, soon enough you'll be able to play all your Gamecube games on-the-go either way - this much is fact. Native support on the Wii U simply isn't a priority anymore, much like native support of NES games would be ludicrous considering the fact that you can effectively emulate the platform on just about anything these days.
This.
I've wanted to stay out of this argument, but I guess I'll just jump in and say that I agree on this point. Knowing that the GameCube and Wii are almost identical architecture wise, seeing how Nintendo already put in the vWii mode, there's really no reason they couldn't implement GameCube as well besides possibly wanting to sell the games on VC later on (kind-of like how there are GBA VC titles now on 3DS, even if they are only for ambassadors)
Dolphin has also been really buggy the times I've tried it. Kind-of like how N64 emulation is still not perfect on a PC. Even now, lots of racing games simply suck due to random graphics glitches. I always found that the VC emulators were the best, and I loved having 'injected' versions of other classic games on my Wii.
The number of games is irrelevant - it would just be hugely convenient if we could play GameCube games on the Wii U so that there was literally *no* reason to need to keep a Wii around (I'll still keep mine for legacy purposes, to let my younger sisters use, etc etc, but then I can just keep my Wii U at my apartment and be set). In fact, I know a couple people who got starry-eyed when I told them that people were working on getting proper GameCube support on the Wii U.
I definitely think we have a right to be disappointed that this project isn't going to be completed. (Or at least any time sooner)
True.
That being said, I'm going to be investing ~$500 (if not more) for a beefy HTPC just so I can emulate old games on my TV.
Would have saved a hell of a lot of money if it was possible to do on the console I already have.
Here's the kicker - if you have Gamecube games that you would like to play on the Wii U, you also probably have a console that plays them - otherwise you wouldn't have them.
So... uhm...?
To paraphrase what I said for the zillionth time - you're not losing the capability to play Gamecube games, you already have that capability as we speak. You're losing an alternative way of doing that, hence "nothing of value was lost".
This is not the equivalent of the forementioned Quadforce because not every ordinary person has an arcade machine in their household or even the space to have one - the situation is entirely different with the Gamecube.
That's what I was thinking (perhaps it wasn't a good idea to make windwaker the only game playable?
) Either that or his Wii U died or something. If and when he does update sneek and/or release nintendont's source, I will donate my remaining paypal funds. Also I don't know of anyone who could make use of those basic and probably incorrect decompiles. If it were that simple devolution would probable have been cracked by now.
Here's the kicker - if you have Gamecube games that you would like to play on the Wii U, you also probably have a console that plays them - otherwise you wouldn't have them.
So... uhm...?
I'm not arguing here - your point is entirely valid.
However, as you also said, the Gamecube is 13(?) years old now. I honestly no longer have any clue where my Gamecube is right now, let alone the games. I do have my (actually 100% legal) backups on my external drive, though. Would have been nice to have the option to just grab a wiimote or something and play some Billy Hatcher on the Wii U for about 15 minutes every 3 years.
Oh well. HTPC, here I come!
Now that's what I call long-term interest in a platform!
As for the tone used in my reply to you, I thought you were being sarcastic.
Sort of hard to tell if someone's being serious or not when you're online, y'see. 
Guys, Just get a Gamecube with a Xeno and Wii key fusion. There problem solved and you can play all of those few audio streaming games.
As for the tone used in my reply to you, I thought you were being sarcastic.
No problem, man.
Snaps for bein' real.
Deep in my heart i wish that crediar keep on this. If he ask for donations on this project i totally agree on it. I know that more people would donate too, because its awesome. It will not help only wii / wii u owners, but the Nintendo itself. Think, having a console where you can play BackUp GC games fully working, man, that's awesome. Crediar, if you're reading this, please, give it a try. This project conclusion would be like the best christmas gift for a lot of people.
Respect from Brazil.
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