George Zimmerman found not guilty of Trayvon Martin murder

[Black-Ice]

Well, sorry then. I dont find it as something serious like that. Ignore my post if it really offends you.

Not me, i'm not offended.
The most emotion i've felt here is sorrow for the rational people of america and what they live in.

 

[The Milkman]

Not me, i'm not offended.
The most emotion i've felt here is sorrow for the rational people of america and what they live in.

Then were coming from similar places.

 

[DinohScene]

I don't want to sound mean, but how did you not hear about this??? This was publicized even more than JFK getting sniped in CoD.

I don't watch the news.
Nor newspapers nor radio.

Besides, I'm an European, dunno if that got much to do with it tho.

 

[Deleted member 319809]

He's not from the US and I'm not sure this got worldwide coverage exactly.

I had heard about it during the case and I'm in Canada. However, I am also in chats where there are many Americans, and my mother and sister, who follow the news somewhat and knew about the death of Michael Jackson a mere hour after the American media did, have not talked about the Florida v. Zimmerman case at all while it was going on.

Now, the verdict itself seems to have been broadcast pretty much worldwide, but I would think only the US had so much live coverage of it (and the anger of Americans would have been built up with each story in the coverage, as I said in post #42).

As a side note, about #115:

Isn't it ironic, in a forum where the Ace Attorney series is held in high regard, for its members to have forgotten the meaning of rationality and instead to allow the fallacies of appeals to emotion and to popularity, to rewrite the truth?

I would have referenced Ace Attorney in #42 but it would have made my message sound like I didn't know the difference between reality and games. Kudos there. However, the irony is not lost on me: both in the Ace Attorney games and in real life, you must ignore appeals to emotion and concentrate on the facts to present your case. It's just that not everyone on GBATemp plays the Ace Attorney games

 

[Taleweaver]

You are aware that he was claiming self defense right ? He was not using the stand your ground law.

No. I was not. As said, I only go by the article in the OP. So you're saying that Zimmerman WASN'T in the car before he called in a suspicious person? Perhaps that sounds like a detail, but that means the difference between being provoked and provoking. And in the latter case, self defense simply does not apply.


[/quote="air2004"]
I suppose you over looked this little tidbit about mr. martin

• The teen was suspended from school three times
• He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
• Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
• Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html#ixzz2Z1PS974B
So yeah he seems to have a problem with authority .[/quote]
I know this part was aimed at Nathan Drake (and I haven't exactly checked the extra 4 pages this thread has grown since I last checked)...but how is this in any way relevant?

Zimmerman wasn't a police officer. He wasn't an authority. So all this info you're posting is irrelevant. But hey...if you're resorting to it, don't mind if I do the same:

YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN POST IN LARGE BOLD POSTS TO SEEM RELEVANT, Y'KNOW.


So do me a favor, will you? Stop that bullshit. If Zimmerman was a close relative to you, I can understand why you want to shout out his innocence. But if you're just listening to other new sources than the OP: don't get all emotional, okay? I'm willing to discuss why these points you mention aren't an excuse. But if you're going all internet-hysterical on us...don't fucking bother. It's not like these posts are going to do anything to change the verdict, let alone the system.

 

[mkdms14]

Here is the thing wether you agree with the verdict or disagree with the verdict is not important. The media should not have been involved with this court case to begin with. It should be left up to the court systems, so lets just leave it at that.

 

[Flame]

I not a lawyer. so I'm not going one way or the other. but ....

Mr Zimmerman's family and representatives have said they are afraid he could fall victim to revenge attacks

 

[retKHAAAN]

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Watched this video in its entirety.
I'll preface this response by stating there was not one moment where I thought Zimmerman was going to be convicted of any wrongdoing. It was certainly poor decision making on both sides that led to Trayvon Martin being killed, but at no point was there any evidence that Zimmerman hunted Martin down or even initiated the conflict.

Now, having said that, there's also no evidence at all that completely corroborates Zimmerman's claims of what went down. There was expert testimony on both sides attempting to paint a picture of what transpired. Neither was more convincing than the other.

Eyewitness testimony really couldn't play much part at all in the outcome as everyone contradicted one another. One person claims to have heard three shots, though only one was fired. Multiple people claim to have heard someone calling for help but couldn't be sure as to which of them it was. A couple people claim to have gotten a glimpse of the two fighting on the ground, but couldn't agree on who was on top.

The gentleman in the quoted video mentions the "evidence" and "eyewitness testimony" numerous times as if there was any credibility to any of it. There wasn't. If this video was purely about what "The Law" says then there was no need to mention Trayvon Martin's past or possible drug use any more than there was a need to mention Zimmerman's efforts in tutoring poor black children or having a black business partner. If the gentleman in the video was really trying to share all circumstantial info about Martin's and Zimmerman's pasts, he strangely forgot one doosy from Zimmerman's...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/george-zimmerman_n_1676729.html

The gentleman was making quite a bit of sense though, despite quoting some pretty random statistics, until he made it a point to refer to President Obama as "B. Hussein Obama". A tad trite in his nonchalant Obama bashing...

On the subject of race...and I personally don't believe race played much of a factor, if at all...it's silly to think that because Zimmerman is hispanic or because he has black friends or tutors black kids he couldn't be racist... The most racist person that I've actually personally known was my Mexican grandfather. "N****r this" and "H*nk*y that"... I stayed with him for a couple weeks when I was 14. A black man came to the door and asked if he could mow the lawn one day, I asked the gentleman to wait a moment while I checked. My grandfather replied (loud enough for the guy to hear) "Fuck that sweaty n****r. I wouldn't even've opened the door." The guy was gone by the time I got back to the door.

Two of my dad's best friends through high school and to this day are black. That doesn't stop him from profiling or saying stuff like "that fake n****r B. Hussein Obama hates America".

There was no justice to be served in this trial. Two idiots collided and one ended up dead...

 

[LightyKD]

It's a sad day today and frankly I'm sure that a good 80 percent of you will never understand why this day and this outcome is so sad. Today, my views on how I should conduct my daily affairs were validated. Frankly I'll only go outside to work, aside from that I'm staying locked in this apartment. Each day I'm becoming more and more scared to live in this nation and will spend the remainder of this day in grief while I try to push myself to be as active as I can for productivity's sake.

 

[Ray Lewis]

I knew this thread would be volatile. Everyone be safe, regardless of your views. Not worth being flamed for having one here, lol.

 

[retKHAAAN]

It's a sad day today and frankly I'm sure that a good 80 percent of you will never understand why this day and this outcome is so sad. Today, my views on how I should conduct my daily affairs were validated. Frankly I'll only go outside to work, aside from that I'm staying locked in this apartment. Each day I'm becoming more and more scared to live in this nation and will spend the remainder of this day in grief while I try to push myself to be as active as I can for productivity's sake.

Kind of a knee-jerk reaction, isn't it? Do you truly think that you'll get shot if you leave your apartment?

 

[Black-Ice]

It's a sad day today and frankly I'm sure that a good 80 percent of you will never understand why this day and this outcome is so sad. Today, my views on how I should conduct my daily affairs were validated. Frankly I'll only go outside to work, aside from that I'm staying locked in this apartment. Each day I'm becoming more and more scared to live in this nation and will spend the remainder of this day in grief while I try to push myself to be as active as I can for productivity's sake.

Come to the UK.
In our country its illegal to kill people.

 

[Deleted member 319809]

No. I was not. As said, I only go by the article in the OP. So you're saying that Zimmerman WASN'T in the car before he called in a suspicious person? Perhaps that sounds like a detail, but that means the difference between being provoked and provoking. And in the latter case, self defense simply does not apply.

I suppose you over looked this little tidbit about mr. martin

• The teen was suspended from school three times
• He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
• Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
• Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html#ixzz2Z1PS974B
So yeah he seems to have a problem with authority .

Was this a factor in the jury's decision, or only in the eyes of the public and its mob justice? Could it have been admitted as circumstantial evidence in the first place?

This also goes for circumstantial evidence against Zimmerman in #149, though wrettcaughn acknowledges that the video was biased against Martin to begin with:

If this video was purely about what "The Law" says then there was no need to mention Trayvon Martin's past or possible drug use any more than there was a need to mention Zimmerman's efforts in tutoring poor black children or having a black business partner. If the gentleman in the video was really trying to share all circumstantial info about Martin's and Zimmerman's pasts, he strangely forgot one doosy from Zimmerman's...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/george-zimmerman_n_1676729.html

 

[LightyKD]

Kind of a knee-jerk reaction, isn't it? Do you truly think that you'll get shot if you leave your apartment?

It's not just about being shot but I don't know about you but I have to walk around in a society that, without knowing me as a person, views me as a menace and a criminal. Hell I even get horrid looks when I give people polite "hello" smiles. After a while you just get tired of living in a society that hates you for no good reason and looks down on you as if you just don't have a right to life.

Come to the UK.


In our country its illegal to kill people.

LOL My wife suggested that we moved there last night

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Come to the UK.
In our country its illegal to kill people.

It is illegal to kill people in the USA too. George Zimmerman would have been dead, and Trayvon Martin would have been the one being tried, had he not discharged his firearm.
Only then, the very same race card, would have been used to acquit him of murder. First degree murder at that.

It's not just about being shot but I don't know about you but I have to walk around in a society that, without knowing me as a person, views me as a menace and a criminal. Hell I even get horrid looks when I give people polite "hello" smiles. After a while you just get tired of living in a society that hates you for no good reason and looks down on you as if you just don't have a right to life.



LOL My wife suggested that we moved there last night

The UK is far worse, as far as that goes, as over 80% of all random stop-and-searches conducted by the police last year, were on black people.

You're perfectly safe in the USA, so long as you don't attack anyone like Trayvon did. You sound like a nice guy, and so I'm sure that won't be a problem for you. Remember, the same safeguards that allowed George to defend himself, will also protect you against any potential crazies or racists (arguably they're the one and the same, but I don't want to offend anyone).
Of all the countries in Europe, the British were rated least friendly and most xenophobic, oh and going by recent opinion polls, the attitudes toward non-whites is also on the rise.

As far as the latent racism in the USA goes, most of it sources from statistics in particular states (funnily enough, also the ones with tighter gun laws - California and New York are the worst, in fact), where the majority of all crimes committed - including with (commonly stolen!) firearms - are by Blacks and Mexicans. If people are grouping you into the same categories, I suggest you may wish to move further out from the centres of these cities, or to another state with (ironically) less-strict gun control. Somewhere like Wyoming, Arizona or Vermont just to name three. I recommend the latter, as it's a very nice place to live.

 

[Amber Lamps]

its simple:
a kid is dead and the person who pulled the trigger is free and that is wrong. they could ahve said it was an accident or manslaugther or whatever but just plain out letting him go is wrong on SO many levels...

looks like said kid was literally beating the defendant to death. had he killed the defendant, probably nothing would have ever happened to him. and that is right isn't it because he is a black kid. lol?

Well anyway I believe 100% that the defendant shouldn't have been stalking the kid. then none of this would have happened. that is the confusing part of it.

any race riots on monday? I don't think so because everyone knows the kid shouldn't have attacked the defendant. so it is at a mute point. if I think someone is following me in the dark at night, I don't run up and bash the person's skull into the ground. common sense guys!

 

[LightyKD]

It is illegal to kill people in the USA too. George Zimmerman would have been dead, and Trayvon Martin would have been the one being tried, had he not discharged his firearm.
Only then, the very same race card, would have been used to acquit him of murder. First degree murder at that.


The UK is far worse, as far as that goes, as over 80% of all random stop-and-searches conducted by the police last year, were on black people.

You're perfectly safe in the USA, so long as you don't attack anyone like Trayvon did. You sound like a nice guy, and so I'm sure that won't be a problem for you. Remember, the same safeguards that allowed George to defend himself, will also protect you against any potential crazies or racists (arguably they're the one and the same, but I don't want to offend anyone).
Of all the countries in Europe, the British were rated least friendly and most xenophobic, oh and going by recent opinion polls, the attitudes toward non-whites is also on the rise.

As far as the latent racism in the USA goes, most of it sources from statistics in particular states (funnily enough, also the ones with tighter gun laws - California and New York are the worst, in fact), where the majority of all crimes committed - including with (commonly stolen!) firearms - are by Blacks and Mexicans. If people are grouping you into the same categories, I suggest you may wish to move further out from the centres of these cities, or to another state with (ironically) less-strict gun control. Somewhere like Wyoming, Arizona or Vermont just to name three. I recommend the latter, as it's a very nice place to live.

been dropping money into savings every month just so that I can get out of Virginia. The place is turning into a police state, the laws are so damn backwards, the people are downright mean. "Virginia is for lovers" is a god damned lie! I just want to live somewhere where my wife and I can feel safe and be around progressive, sane, individuals who do not place a thousand year old book over logic and science.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

looks like said kid was literally beating the defendant to death. had he killed the defendant, probably nothing would have ever happened to him. and that is right isn't it because he is a black kid. lol?

Well anyway I believe 100% that the defendant shouldn't have been stalking the kid. then none of this would have happened. that is the confusing part of it.

any race riots on monday? I don't think so because everyone knows the kid shouldn't have attacked the defendant. so it is at a mute point. if I think someone is following me in the dark at night, I don't run up and bash the person's skull into the ground. common sense guys!

I wish. The whole reason there's any debate in this thread, and that the media were able to hype it up so much, is because people genuinely believe that Trayvon was innocent, and that Zimmerman was an evil white man out to get the poor young black kid [who was beating him into the sidewalk].

been dropping money into savings every month just so that I can get out of Virginia. The place is turning into a police state, the laws are so damn backwards, the people are downright mean. "Virginia is for lovers" is a god damned lie! I just want to live somewhere where my wife and I can feel safe and be around progressive, sane, individuals who do not place a thousand year old book over logic and science.

Ah. I feel your pain.
I agree with the constitution, and the principles behind it (as I do with the Magna Carta, actually), but I do think that some people really don't "get" it.

Oh lordy. I'm starting to like your edits on posts. :3

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As far as the Zimmerman case, definitely interesting to see how things played out. In my opinion, I think that this trial was way too publicized. I didn't really keep up with all of the details (hell, I just found out like a month ago) and after hearing things from a bunch of people, it kind of gets hard to side with any particular party, although I have to hand it to the defense as I think they did a pretty good job in their presentation of the facts.

"Trial by media". Zimmerman's innocence was the job of the jury to decide, and not of every citizen who has happened to turn on their television set for a few minutes recently. Poor Zimmerman may have been found not-guilty by the courthouse, because they were sensible enough to get over the emotional appeal and to look at what he was and wasn't allowed to do, but that doesn't mean anyone who knows about it is too. In fact, as I've mentioned, there are some particularly ridiculous posts I've seen in various places with people having delusional views of his innocence purely because they aren't aware of what actually happened.
Zimmerman's life, as he knew it, might be over (for at least a good few months), but those involved in the mass media don't care - they got their latest controversial story, they get their paychecks.

Anyone remember that one guy... er... Snowden, was it? He's still in that airport, currently arranging more talks with Russia. Have we heard about him since the trial began?..
That, is my point.

 

[Ryukouki]

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Oh lordy. I'm starting to like your edits on posts. :3

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As far as the Zimmerman case, definitely interesting to see how things played out. In my opinion, I think that this trial was way too publicized. I didn't really keep up with all of the details (hell, I just found out like a month ago) and after hearing things from a bunch of people, it kind of gets hard to side with any particular party, although I have to hand it to the defense as I think they did a pretty good job in their presentation of the facts.

 

[Amber Lamps]

Not the right thread or the right place.
This is a serious discussion dude.
I know you, i know you're not a troll or anything. But yeah, save the jokes for another thread yo

This is a video game forum, thus I think if you have an off topic conversation then anyone is more than capable and obliged to state what they please.

On the other hand I do know for a fact that on this forum there are some trolls that are protected by mods that can do whatever they want, not short of cussing/trolling people off of the forum.

Fair is fair.