Pachter: WiiU sucked in February too

[Eerpow]

If you consider the current games for Wii U VS current games for 360/PS3 that could be right, but compare the Wii U's graphics demo with PS4's graphics demo. Either Sony made a very poor job in presenting the PS4 superiority or the PS4 is really all not that powerful. Just look at the Wii U's graphic demo, it looks amazing. The PS4 graphics demo looks better but just slightly in my opinion.

And for people who keep judging the Wii U graphics, remember that the 3DS started off as resembling Gamecube's graphics, but now it is getting close to PS360 graphics. Just search youtube for a RE 5 vs Revelations comparison

The architectural difference between the Wii U and the PS4 is minimal even if the PS4 is more powerful. The difference between a Wii U and current gen is huge though, even Nintendo who never comments on power says that it will probably be able to double the current standard and that their architecture is similar to that of the other next gen systems will offer.

The PS4 just like the Wii U is GPU oriented with GPGPU functionality to compensate. How big the gap will be between the next gen systems we don't know but comparing the Wii U to 7 year old systems is laughable. Devs have had kits for 6 months, pretty much all games on the system have been quick ports, wait until we see next gen multiplats or at least Wii U exclusively developed games. Expect games like bayonetta2 to be better at showcasing what it can do.

The PS4 event had PC versions of games running, the hardware still is in development, I mean we didn't even get to see the main unit.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

The architectural difference between the Wii U and the PS4 is minimal even if the PS4 is more powerful. The difference between a Wii U and current gen is huge though, even Nintendo who never comments on power says that it will probably be able to double the current standard and that their architecture is similar to that of the other next gen systems will offer.

The PS4 just like the Wii U is GPU oriented with GPGPU functionality to compensate. How big the gap will be between the next gen systems we don't know but comparing the Wii U to 7 year old systems is laughable. Devs have had kits for 6 months, pretty much all games on the system have been quick ports, wait until we see next gen multiplats or at least Wii U exclusively developed games. Expect games like bayonetta2 to be better at showcasing what it can do.

The PS4 event had PC versions of games running, the hardware still is in development, I mean we didn't even get to see the main unit.

I'd say Bayonetta and X.

 

[VMM]

If you consider the current games for Wii U VS current games for 360/PS3 that could be right, but compare the Wii U's graphics demo with PS4's graphics demo. Either Sony made a very poor job in presenting the PS4 superiority or the PS4 is really all not that powerful. Just look at the Wii U's graphic demo, it looks amazing. The PS4 graphics demo looks better but just slightly in my opinion.

You must have watched two different presentations that I did.
WiiU came as something so unclear, that many tought it was an acessory for Wii.
It still have a library far from decent, and the demo tech showed nothing.

PS4 showed support of several devlopers, many AAA games been announced such as:
Killzone Shadow Fall, Infamous Second Son, Watch Dogs, Battlefield 4, Diablo III, and many promising games such as Knac, The Witness, Deep Down and Destiny.
Several games are been delayed for it, and numerous games are been announced every day.

If Sony didn't do an impressive job with that, I don't know what a impressive job is.
E3 is getting closer, and place your bets on Sony event cause unlike WiiU, PS4 has games.

And for people who keep judging the Wii U graphics, remember that the 3DS started off as resembling Gamecube's graphics, but now it is getting close to PS360 graphics. Just search youtube for a RE 5 vs Revelations comparison

Dude, give me that shit you've been smoking cuz' it must be good.
3DS has been doing similar stuff to Wii, but comparing it with PS3 and X360 is madness, even Vita is far from that.

 

[Deleted_171835]

Why do you guys bother arguing with VMM? I realized he doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about three threads ago. Or he's just some elaborate troll better at trolling than even emigre.

 

[BenRK]

 

[Eerpow]

You must have watched two different presentations that I did.
WiiU came as something so unclear, that many tought it was an acessory for Wii.
It still have a library far from decent, and the demo tech showed nothing.

PS4 showed support of several devlopers, many AAA games been announced such as:
Killzone Shadow Fall, Infamous Second Son, Watch Dogs, Battlefield 4, Diablo III, and many promising games such as Knac, The Witness, Deep Down and Destiny.
Several games are been delayed for it, and numerous games are been announced every day.

If Sony didn't do an impressive job with that, I don't know what a impressive job is.
E3 is getting closer, and place your bets on Sony event cause unlike WiiU, PS4 has games.



Dude, give me that shit you've been smoking cuz' it must be good.
3DS has been doing similar stuff to Wii, but comparing it with PS3 and X360 is madness, even Vita is far from that.

Yeah, the 3DS is nowhere near PS360, what he's trying to get at is that devs get more comfortable with the platform over time.

On the PS4 library comment, as with the Wii U and what's currently out on that platform I really don't see any exclusive title that interests me on the PS4 other than Infamous.

 

[Qtis]

My bigger concern is, why so much power o mobile devices, android and iphone apps barely use the devices power,
we may see devices with more power than WiiU, but we will probably be playing the same indie games that could be run on a calculator

Replacing the need for a dedicated computer for quite a few office workers. Ubuntu has a good presentation to show (although it's a bit simple for the tech-savvy). The idea of using your phone with a dock to connect it to a screen, keyboard and mouse could be ideal for quite a few people if the need for a mobile laptop is near zero, but the portability is a plus.

Everyone needs to look at the situation as objectively as possible. I think Arm73 showed a good and well explained take on the situation. While Pachter is considered a troll by many, some of the reports by him have become true in a matter of years. I just don't understand the hype for the rest of the shit in the middle

 

[spotanjo3]

Oh no.. Not Pachter again. I can't stand him. He is annoying!

 

[iNFiNiTY]

even Nintendo who never comments on power says that it will probably be able to double the current standard and that their architecture is similar to that of the other next gen systems will offer.

Do you just eat up whatever bullshit you are told or even just implied? They don't boast about specs because they are not very good by modern standards. They were happy to talk about it back at Gamecube launch when it was a fairly good price for the hardware on offer. It's very clear their strategy has changed now. They don't even lie about this so why are people so intent on just plain making up shit to defend them against Big Bad Sony.

The Wii-U is not even close to the PS4.. not even close. Whoever that idiot is who's just judging by some demos (a single first presentation VS a system already released months ago none the less) and assuming based on nothing but his massive pre-existing bias that it's capable of the same.. stop spreading misinformation. We KNOW the specifications of both systems, it's right there in the fucking numbers and ignoring those raw plain as day numbers that show PS4 being far far superior is the most pathetic fanboy argument ever.

There's nothing wrong with having a weaker platform if priced fairly, for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. But some of you are disingenuous to an extreme in defending Nintendo. If you are going to make an argument in favour of the Wii-U how stupid do you have to be to try and talk about the hardware for fucks sake.

 

[Eerpow]

Do you just eat up whatever bullshit you are told or even just implied? They don't boast about specs because they are not very good by modern standards. They were happy to talk about it back at Gamecube launch when it was a fairly good price for the hardware on offer. It's very clear their strategy has changed now. They don't even lie about this so why are people so intent on just plain making up shit to defend them against Big Bad Sony.

The Wii-U is not even close to the PS4.. not even close. Whoever that idiot is who's just judging by some demos (a single first presentation VS a system already released months ago none the less) and assuming based on nothing but his massive pre-existing bias that it's capable of the same.. stop spreading misinformation. We KNOW the specifications of both systems, it's right there in the fucking numbers and ignoring those raw plain as day numbers that show PS4 being far far superior is the most pathetic fanboy argument ever.

There's nothing wrong with having a weaker platform if priced fairly, for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. But some of you are disingenuous to an extreme in defending Nintendo. If you are going to make an argument in favour of the Wii-U how stupid do you have to be to try and talk about the hardware for fucks sake.

What a shitty post.
I don't have a Wii U and I'm not saying anything negative about the PS4, my post is completely based on the facts we have unlike the biased rumors your post seems to be based on, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Personally I don't care if the Wii U is another Wii as I play multiplatform games on PC.

You are wrong on every account, we don't know the specs and the clues we have tells us that the Wii U is better than what previous gen could offer. We don't know the GPU functionalities, CPU specification or anything substantial for us to judge the system. The PS4 is still not going to be near PC quality if that's what you're expecting. Do some research.
You say that they keep by their same businesses model they had with the Wii, well not according to interviews, they want to fix what they missed out on with the Wii, they want next gen multiplats to be possible.

I'm not saying the Wii U is PS4 quality, it's not, but the difference is far from being Wii-PS3 as it will actually run the game engines to begin with.

The Wii U launch is lackluster, of course we can't say what the system is like.

 

[VMM]

Replacing the need for a dedicated computer for quite a few office workers. Ubuntu has a good presentation to show (although it's a bit simple for the tech-savvy). The idea of using your phone with a dock to connect it to a screen, keyboard and mouse could be ideal for quite a few people if the need for a mobile laptop is near zero, but the portability is a plus.

Everyone needs to look at the situation as objectively as possible. I think Arm73 showed a good and well explained take on the situation. While Pachter is considered a troll by many, some of the reports by him have become true in a matter of years. I just don't understand the hype for the rest of the shit in the middle

That's really nice, and I'm anxious to see what canonical has to offer with ubuntu for phones and ubuntu for tablets.
Although, with such crowded marked, I think it will be hard for Ubuntu to get support from developers.

The whole concept of tablet turning into desktop is amazing, but it will need a couple of years to become a decent alternative to desktop version.

Unity Next in Qt/QML, Mir , Ubuntu gnome remix, Ubuntu for tablets, phones, and even tvs

Canonical is revolutionizing the linux world.

 

[PolloDiablo]

My opinion on the subject...

Spoiler

Pachter can suck my balls and swallow my pubic hair

 

[Eerpow]

Also lol @ thread title. Well no shit Pachter.

 

[VMM]

What a shitty post.
I don't have a Wii U and I'm not saying anything negative about the PS4, my post is completely based on the facts we have unlike the biased rumors your post seems to be based on, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Personally I don't care if the Wii U is another Wii as I play multiplatform games on PC.

You are wrong on every account, we don't know the specs and the clues we have tells us that the Wii U is better than what previous gen could offer. We don't know the GPU functionalities, CPU specification or anything substantial for us to judge the system. The PS4 is still not going to be near PC quality if that's what you're expecting. Do some research.
You say that they keep by their same businesses model they had with the Wii, well not according to interviews, they want to fix what they missed out on with the Wii, they want next gen multiplats to be possible.

I'm not saying the Wii U is PS4 quality, it's not, but the difference is far from being Wii-PS3 as it will actually run the game engines to begin with.

The Wii U launch is lackluster, of course we can't say what the system is like.

I agree with you in most part, but he is right at something.

Nintendo, since the failure GC was in terms of sells, have been working with a different strategy,
selling new ideas that will change the gameplay, and focusing on casual gamers.

DS had many causal and indie games, became the most selling videogame of all time,
and had many games casual oriented. The most selling game of DS? Pokemon? Nope, it's Nintendogs.

Wii outsold easily PS3 and X360 only because of it's motion controller.
Best selling Wii game? Mario Galaxy 2? Nope, Wii Fit.

WiiU use a new controller inspired in the tablet trend.

It's clear that Nintendo's focus is not sell the best or most powerful console,
also clear is the attempt to bring a new public to gaming, the so known as casual gamers

 

[DSGamer64]

I heard that a little Wii U exclusive game called Rayman Legends was supposed to come out on February 26th, but it got pushed back 7 months by the publisher.

 

[Eerpow]

I agree with you in most part, but he is right at something.

Nintendo, since the failure GC was in terms of sells, have been working with a different strategy,
selling new ideas that will change the gameplay, and focusing on casual gamers.

DS had many causal and indie games, became the most selling videogame of all time,
and had many games casual oriented. The most selling game of DS? Pokemon? Nope, it's Nintendogs.

Wii outsold easily PS3 and X360 only because of it's motion controller.
Best selling Wii game? Mario Galaxy 2? Nope, Wii Fit.

WiiU use a new controller inspired in the tablet trend.

It's clear that Nintendo's focus is not sell the best or most powerful console,
also clear is the attempt to bring a new public to gaming, the so known as casual gamers

They want to be as wide as possible this time as they regret the mistakes they did with the Wii, they don't expect the same amount of success they got with the Wii and casuals so their strategy is not to be powerful, but to be powerful enough for developers to make their games on their platform. And who knows how that will go, Nintendo never really clicked with 3rd parties past the SNES despite hardware.

 

[iNFiNiTY]

What a shitty post.
I don't have a Wii U and I'm not saying anything negative about the PS4, my post is completely based on the facts we have unlike the biased rumors your post seems to be based on, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Personally I don't care if the Wii U is another Wii as I play multiplatform games on PC.

You are wrong on every account, we don't know the specs and the clues we have tells us that the Wii U is better than what previous gen could offer. We don't know the GPU functionalities, CPU specification or anything substantial for us to judge the system. The PS4 is still not going to be near PC quality if that's what you're expecting. Do some research.
You say that they keep by their same businesses model they had with the Wii, well not according to interviews, they want to fix what they missed out on with the Wii, they want next gen multiplats to be possible.

I'm not saying the Wii U is PS4 quality, it's not, but the difference is far from being Wii-PS3 as it will actually run the game engines to begin with.

The Wii U launch is lackluster, of course we can't say what the system is like.

What the fuck are you even talking about? The specifications of both systems are known infact, not EVERY detail but it gives a very clear picture. How about you do your research because you are clueless apparently. Also why even bring up PC in a comparison between 2 closed systems, that's completely irrelevant too. I don't care if you are being negative about PS4 or not, or if you own a Wii-U - you're just wrong and stating options like it's fact. You are just completely guessing based on nothing at all that the Wii-U can achieve 'double' what the 360/PS3 can provide, which is not only vague and pointless assessment that is just incorrect.

It was another idiot was comparing the Wii-U performance to PS4, that's why i said 'whoever that idiot was'. But you are just as incorrect yet wording everything extremely confidently? Why?

Edit: looking back on your posts is actually hilarious, seriously you talk in a way that makes you sound credible when you contradict yourself even. I mean you start a post with this:

The architectural difference between the Wii U and the PS4 is minimal

Why would you say this as a factual statement, i mean seriously lol.

 

[VMM]

They want to be as wide as possible this time as they regret the mistakes they did with the Wii, they don't expect the same amount of success they got with the Wii and casuals so their strategy is not to be powerful, but to be powerful enough for developers to make their games on their platform.

Agree

And who knows how that will go, Nintendo never really clicked with 3rd parties past the SNES despite hardware.

Except handhelds, Nintendo is still the king in handhelds domain.
No matter how Sony creates impressive, powerful and beautiful machines, they always lose to Nintendo with their simpler yet unique handheld.

 

[narutofan777]

stop giving this crazy fool what he wants. OP .

 

[Eerpow]

What the fuck are you even talking about? The specifications of both systems are known infact, not EVERY detail but it gives a very clear picture. How about you do your research because you are clueless apparently. Also why even bring up PC in a comparison between 2 closed systems, that's completely irrelevant too. I don't care if you are being negative about PS4 or not, or if you own a Wii-U - you're just wrong and stating options like it's fact. You are just completely guessing based on nothing at all that the Wii-U can achieve 'double' what the 360/PS3 can provide, which is not only vague and pointless assessment that is just incorrect.

It was another idiot was comparing the Wii-U performance to PS4, that's why i said 'whoever that idiot was'. But you are just as incorrect yet wording everything extremely confidently? Why?

You called it "fanboyey" which is why I replied with that I have no personal interest in if the Wii U hardware is good or not. I brought up PC because it's the platform I would choose for multiplatform games anyway.

And care to link those "known" specifications you're on about? Nothing of what I said in that post is opinionated, it just reflects the details we know about the system. We don't know anything beyond the number of cores in the CPU or the amount of RAM the machine has and what it tells us is nothing, the only thing we really know for sure is that the CPU clock is lacking and compensated with GPGPU calculations instead (1. because it's how modern machines look like and 2. it makes it possible to make a smaller machine not prone to overheating). Also a low clock CPU doesn't actually tell how efficient a CPU is either, todays CPU's are better than what we had a few years ago despite the clockspeed and number of cores.

The PS360 were CPU intensive so we have many devs complaining about Wii U clockspeed, however when mentioning GPU capabilities Devs seem to be happy with what the machine got, because of the architectural differences between current gen and next gen is so big devs simply can't port their games straight away without major code rewriting, the reason why crysis and metro never got any further in development, it just takes too much time and costs too much money for a newly released system. Often when asked about the Wii U devs reply with a "sorry but we have to make a game from scratch for that system".
Quoting Nintendo's "Games will soon have double the visuals we've so far seen on the system" is just further emphasizing the point that Nintendo do to some extent care about the hardware they're including in their platform, as far to as selling the system at a loss at $350 even.

We don't have numbers on a paper to speak of but to have specs comparable to current gen Nintendo would have to actively try as no one manufactures those kind of parts anymore for new products.

The first port where the developers actually had some time to tinker around with the devkit is the new Need for Speed, the game will be using PC assets which just goes to show that devs need more than 6 months to figure a completely new system out.