Hacking What Can/Do Nintendo ban?

[CFallenleaf]

The point though was the flashcart itself cant be banned. Plus has anyone actually been banned yet? For anything? So how do you know they can ban the cart id? (Im not actually questioning you. I know that if they have a reason they probably can ban at the very least the cart id. The thing is it hasnt happened to anyone yet and this guy was saying they can ban your flashcart. Ridiculous.)

 

[ichichfly]

The point though was the flashcart itself cant be banned. Plus has anyone actually been banned yet? For anything? So how do you know they can ban the cart id? (Im not actually questioning you. I know that if they have a reason they probably can ban at the very least the cart id. The thing is it hasnt happened to anyone yet and this guy was saying they can ban your flashcart. Ridiculous.)

I looked at what nin sends to there server and it is not hard to make a blacklist.

 

[CFallenleaf]

Im sure its not. You would know way better then me.

 

[sweis12]

I'm sure if Nintendo wanted to, when they do an update they could add code code that will brick your flashcart. Like instead of the "error restart system" screen the flashcart will look like it is playing normally the first time, but in the background it bricks the card by flashing the wrong firmware on it.

 

[gamesquest1]

I'm sure if Nintendo wanted to, when they do an update they could add code code that will brick your flashcart. Like instead of the "error restart system" screen the flashcart will look like it is playing normally the first time, but in the background it bricks the card by flashing the wrong firmware on it.

im sure if nintendo wanted to they could just brick everyones 3ds, despite something being technically possible, it doesn't mean its on the irrefutable side of legal......flashcards get away with that kind of stuff, but even though flashcards are "illegal" in most places they aren't illegal everywhere, if nintendo just brick them that would be a big reputable company opening themselves up to a public backlash and/or a lawsuit from users in countries where the carts are legal

simple fact is its illegal for nintendo to maliciously damage users hardware, even if that hardware is illegal itself....and it wouldn't take much for Chinese whispers to begin with people misinterpreting it to say that "nintendo bricks the consoles"....and then "nintendo bricks it if a console was EVER used with a flashcard", and then panic for people saying "i bought my 3ds second hand OHHHH NOOOO i might get bricked" etc etc....its much less of a headache for nintendo to do their best disrupting compatibility

 

[CFallenleaf]

I'm sure if Nintendo wanted to, when they do an update they could add code code that will brick your flashcart. Like instead of the "error restart system" screen the flashcart will look like it is playing normally the first time, but in the background it bricks the card by flashing the wrong firmware on it.

Bricking a flashcart is not the same as banning it. Bricking essentially destroys your cart. Banning wouldnt.

 

[apoptygma]

I would think the only way they could do something like this is just to ban the serial of the console from future online play. The likely way of detecting this would be duplicate headers being online simultaneously. Also, read CFallenleaf's thread on maxconsole. Hilarious, I would have posted there but they don't allow + symbols in email addresses for registration so I cbf creating a new email address just to post.

 

[CFallenleaf]

Yea its a great thread. I dont mind helping people but god damn man almost every question asked has already been answered take the damn time to read and dont be so lazy. I go by cameron on there and while im not too knowledgeable about some things i do take the god damn time to read almost everything. I know tue world is more and more becoming something where everyone expects instant gratification but still....

I could see banning a serial or a header or nnid but never will i get ober the fact that that guy said they woupd ban the flashcart.... freaking ridiculous. Ill quit talking about it now dont worry but still man.

 

[y03usw6e]

Yea its a great thread. I dont mind helping people but god damn man almost every question asked has already been answered take the damn time to read and dont be so lazy. I go by cameron on there and while im not too knowledgeable about some things i do take the god damn time to read almost everything. I know tue world is more and more becoming something where everyone expects instant gratification but still....

I could see banning a serial or a header or nnid but never will i get ober the fact that that guy said they woupd ban the flashcart.... freaking ridiculous. Ill quit talking about it now dont worry but still man.

Oh, you're Cameron? I'm livingindoubt over there.

 

[apoptygma]

Oh, you're Cameron? I'm livingindoubt over there.

small community! can't believe how small it is in fact, I guess <4.5 3DSs are pretty rare really...

 

[gamesquest1]

Nah there is plenty of people using 3ds flashcards etc, GBATemp and max console users are just the minority of the minority

Most people just get it working and that's it,some like to be more involved in keeping upto date with all the news and never post anything

Then there's people who like to help out or like the sound of their own voice

 

[apoptygma]

Yea good point. Biggest problem I found coming in was that even with good technical understanding it's not possible to learn all that's required in one place. The gbatemp wiki is a good start but there's a lot of information with no citation and a lot of the more in depth info is not posted

 

[y03usw6e]

Yea good point. Biggest problem I found coming in was that even with good technical understanding it's not possible to learn all that's required in one place. The gbatemp wiki is a good start but there's a lot of information with no citation and a lot of the more in depth info is not posted

A lot of it is outdated. That's the issue.

 

[drfsupercenter]

The safest thing. Dont play online. Less safe dump your own header. Most dangerous use a scene header that a thousand or more other people are using.

Once again like everyone has said. We dont even know if they can detect what header is being used when and where. I highly doubt ninty has it set up where all know headers and cart ids are stored in some ginormous comupters that red flag whenever two people use the same header. They could but with how many people play these games every day and how many systems there are I REALLY REALLY doubt that nintendo has the manpower, the ability or the drive to keep track.

I mean think about it. Sony and Microsuck(someone give me a good nickname for sony) dont ever actually catch anyone cheating. Another player reports it and sony or microsoft and the game developer check the logs for unusual activity in the code and bam thats how they get caught. Or some dumb ass plays a game thats not out yet online. The point is. Sony and Microsoft... their online is way more organized and have waaaaayyyyyyy more online players than nintendo and have been at this since ps2 and original xbox days and it takes them weeks if not months in some cases to figure out you were cheating. Nintendo only started doing multiplayer for ds (wasnt the gamecube online compatible but only a few games had this capability and there werent many adapters released?)

Not true, I got both my PSN account and PS3 console banned just for launching a game off my hard drive. I didn't even play online, was just signed into PSN, started the game, confirmed it worked and that was it. Banned within a week.

 

[drfsupercenter]

Wow.... this guy. They cant ban a flashcart. You obviously have no understanding of what your talking about so just dont say stupid crap like this. They cant even tell if your using a flashcart. I say the with 99 percent certainty. If they could tell and they could ban a flashcart everyone using gateway would be banned already. Jesus christ dude. Right now the only thing they can do to combat flashcarts is new firmware update. Thats the one thing we know for sure. Oh..... besides the fact YOU CANT BAN A FREAKING FLASHCART.

They can tell you're using a flash cart, at least with newer games. If you have a game like Pokémon X/Y and you're using the older save encryption, it's a dead giveaway. Whether or not they'll eventually do anything about it remains to be seen, but your ignorant response acting like a know-it-all wasn't needed - technically they can't ban your flash cart itself but they can ban your entire console if they detect you're playing online using one.

 

[noki@]

They can tell you're using a flash cart, at least with newer games. If you have a game like Pokémon X/Y and you're using the older save encryption, it's a dead giveaway. Whether or not they'll eventually do anything about it remains to be seen, but your ignorant response acting like a know-it-all wasn't needed - technically they can't ban your flash cart itself but they can ban your entire console if they detect you're playing online using one.

If they did ban the consoles they will probably be a way in the future to change the serial code or something to regain online access, something similar to what we do now to play roms online by dumping the headers.

 

[drfsupercenter]

I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

[CFallenleaf]

Was the game you launched officially released yet? And no they cant tell if youre using a flash cart. There is no way for them to know what save encryption your using. Nintendo is new to this they wouldnt have thought of that. Plus you cant see what im doing when my 3ds never connects to the internet

 

[drfsupercenter]

Yes it was, it was an old game too.

How can they ban you if you don't go online? Obviously we're talking about people who play online

 

[CFallenleaf]

That sucks bro. Sony has been at this a lot longer than nintendo though(the firmware security thing.) I wonder how that worked out. I know its possible but i thought there was a program that made the server think it was legit.

I go online too. It was more of trying to show you that the flashcart is pretty undetectable. It sends legitimate data to the servers. Its a complete 1:1 copy unless your using a public header and have a few thousand on at the same time i really dont get how they can even tell.