So this a rather long IRC discussion that was had. Since it was so long, it may meandered here and there somewhat, but in green are my post conversation comments at the situation. This discussion does not entirely portray how the IRC acts and is merely an excerpt. Prior to this discussion was a rather decent chat answering the 3DS hacking that Steeeeve was asking about. Warning: Spoilers inside! <Steeeeve> I only play one game, which is Pokemon. And I only need to hack Pokemon with a very in depth Pokemon generator <LoliLurker> then do it without cheating <Steeeeve> It isn't possible. <LoliLurker> ._. <Steeeeve> you can only get specific things depending on your country <LoliLurker> ._. <Steeeeve> I do have a hacking device but it's complicated and very poor quality <Steeeeve> I am knowledgeable enough to create legitimate Pokemon from scratch, but my power save only lets me edit things I currently have <LoliLurker> There is the GTS <LoliLurker> deal with it <Steeeeve> The gts Pokemon are 90% hacked as it is [Oh alright, fair enough the GTS has hacked pokemon, still there has to be some legit ones in there right? It just takes some time and effort.] <LoliLurker> ._. <Steeeeve> And most of them don't pass tournament checks <LoliLurker> did you not just say <LoliLurker> "I am knowledgeable enough to create legitimate Pokemon from scratch" <LoliLurker> GET IT FROM GTS <LoliLurker> AND MAKE IT LEGIT <Steeeeve> Legitimate = works on tournaments <LoliLurker> ._. <Steeeeve> My power save doesn't let you edit the in depth data [So he can't make legitimate pokemon from the hacked pokemon using hacking tools because they don't provide in-depth editing and he won't get them from the GTS because most of those are also hacked pokemon] <Steeeeve> Only qr injecting <Steeeeve> Like secret ID and hex data <LoliLurker> Keep going in GTS ._. <Steeeeve> Powers be lets you edit stats and such, which doesn't affect the hex data or pass hacking checks <LoliLurker> eventually you will hit a legit one <Steeeeve> You also can't check stats of Pokemon on the gts <Steeeeve> So it could be absolutely useless <LoliLurker> So you get the pokemon first <LoliLurker> check it <LoliLurker> put it back on GTS if it isn't what you want <Steeeeve> Firstly, if they have the Pokemon, and aren't asking for something unreasonable. <Steeeeve> It seems more productive using my qr injecting to get everything I need, then updating my firmware <Steeeeve> I just wanted to check if it was necessary for me to hack 900 Pokemon before updating <Steeeeve> And clearly it is, since gateway 3DS is next to unusable for all 3DS owners <|Shadow|> LOL <|Shadow|> people like u r the reason online is shit <Steeeeve> Actually, people like me is why online is competitive [So he plays pokemon online...competitively.] <LoliLurker> and people like me is the reason pokemon isn't shit <Steeeeve> Lol <Steeeeve> What is your highest rank [Here the discussion turns towards online competitive play and cheating] <LoliLurker> nothing, I don't play pokemon <Steeeeve> Precisely <Steeeeve> But I was meaning shadow <duck> Steeeeve: Cheating in singleplayer is one thing, but as soon as you involve others it's a douche move <Steeeeve> Duck, the wifi prevents you from using anything that isn't legally obtainable. So it doesn't give you an unrealistic advantage <Steeeeve> And the top vgc players rely on it <Steeeeve> It has made the game competitive, rather than luck based. <duck> you're basically saying that you need to cheat to compete [duck says possibly the most apt line for the following comments] <Steeeeve> No, you have to cheat to obtain things that aren't available in your country <duck> you're no better than cheaters in other games that justify their cheating is needed <Steeeeve> I don't think that being from <Steeeeve> America <Steeeeve> Is a fair reason for an advantage <duck> cheating isn't a fair advantage either <Steeeeve> Cheating to get thing a that others are freely accessible to <duck> what's your point <Steeeeve> Makes it an even playing field <LoliLurker> ._. <LoliLurker> you should like a really shitty person <Steeeeve> Events aren't released in my country <LoliLurker> just saying <duck> in multiplayer fps games I often hear of people "cheating to even the playing field against all the other cheaters" <Steeeeve> Whereas in America all you have to do is purchase the game <Steeeeve> To get event Pokemon <Steeeeve> This isn't an fps <LoliLurker> In sports, it's called "using steroids to even the playing field" <duck> but basically they're just ruining other people's playing experiences <Steeeeve> My example, is like playing an fps and having a powerful gun that nobody else gets <|Shadow|> duck, so true <Steeeeve> Because you're from a particular country <LoliLurker> There is absolutely nothing you could say <LoliLurker> that would make it valid to cheat <LoliLurker> that goes against what "cheating" is <Steeeeve> Actually if you understood my situation you wouldn't be making completely unrelated examples <|Shadow|> what is your "situation" ? [This is an amazingly important question that goes unanswered] <LoliLurker> It's not event pokemon that make the difference <duck> cheat away in singleplayer as much as you want, but don't expect people to approve of online cheating <Steeeeve> Owning a gateway or emulation device is cheating in itself <Steeeeve> By downloading games <duck> no <duck> that's piracy <|Shadow|> thats not cheating <Steeeeve> You are cheating Nintendo <LoliLurker> cheating is what retards do with their pirated shit <duck> piracy doesn't imply cheating <|Shadow|> Steeeeve, You are cheating Nintendo cheating in pokemon games <Steeeeve> And you still Rent understanding my situation, you're just being rude <duck> there are lots of pirates that don't cheat <LoliLurker> You aren't cheating Nintendo <LoliLurker> It's called stealing <LoliLurker> "stealing" <|Shadow|> duck, im one thoes <Steeeeve> Let me see if I can give you an example that doesn't result in your idiocy <duck> said the cheater ruining other people's experiences online <LoliLurker> ^ <Steeeeve> Let's say you buy call of duty, and in every country you buy this game. You get downloadable content that gives you access to various weapons, armour and so forward. <Steeeeve> Except for one country, which gets a hand gun only <LoliLurker> Then you get fucking good with the hand gun <duck> which call of duty would that be? <LoliLurker> and shit on everyon <Steeeeve> And say this hand gun has no bullets <LoliLurker> Then you melee <Steeeeve> And you get no knife <LoliLurker> you don't need a knife to melee <|Shadow|> there is no reason ever to cheat <|Shadow|> like your doing Steeeeve <LoliLurker> ^ <duck> you're basically trying to say that cheating is needed in a game with broken design <Steeeeve> You can't melee in cod without a knife m <Steeeeve> Yes I am <Steeeeve> The broken design being country exclusive events <LoliLurker> The broken design being things that actually are superficial and more like that DLC that you pay 4tehlulz <duck> don't support games that are intentionally broken then <duck> vote with your money <Steeeeve> Events are dlc <duck> but <duck> not by ruining other's experiences <Steeeeve> I don't support them <Steeeeve> I didn't purchase it <LoliLurker> you apparently don't support fair gaming either <|Shadow|> sounds like u r <|Shadow|> u bought pokemon <|Shadow|> with <|Shadow|> DLC u cant get <LoliLurker> and you shit on competitive players that decided to fucking play the game <Steeeeve> I didn't buy it <LoliLurker> for what it's worth <LoliLurker> using their time and effort against the game <LoliLurker> with it's bullshit random generator <Steeeeve> I don't shit on them, I destroy them <Steeeeve> As I am world ranked <Steeeeve> In Ou <|Shadow|> because u cheat <LoliLurker> because u cheat <Steeeeve> And I have never met a multiplayer match that doesn't use hacked Pokemon [So this guy has had his fair share of pokemon battles online to be able to make that claim] <LoliLurker> Then you are wrong <duck> sometimes I really do wish Nintendo would permanently ban pirates from their online services <Steeeeve> As it was accessible to everybody <Steeeeve> Freely <Steeeeve> I don't play pirated game either <LoliLurker> but you cheat <duck> you're using the same logic most other cheaters use to justify their cheating <Steeeeve> I'm happy with an even playing field yes <LoliLurker> SSB is competitive <duck> others are doing it so I should also be able to <Steeeeve> I don't care what my opponents use as Nintendo removes hacked Pokemon from wifi accessibility <LoliLurker> I would need to cheat to get even <LoliLurker> and even if I cheated <LoliLurker> I would still lose <Steeeeve> I just use hacked Pokemon to breed legitimate ones [This is a key point. "I just use hacked Pokemon to breed legitimate ones"] <LoliLurker> you don't see people cheating in SSB to get an even playing field <Steeeeve> So the Pokemon I use aren't hacked in them self <duck> "I only turn on my wallhack sometimes" <Steeeeve> They are a result of hacking, as opposed to being 'hacked' <duck> Sorry, but I simply don't like cheaters in multiplayer <|Shadow|> cheating <LoliLurker> cheating <LoliLurker> if you are breeding legitimate ones <Steeeeve> That's fine, as people don't play competitively on Nintendo 3ds. <LoliLurker> just take from GTS <LoliLurker> breed <LoliLurker> check stats <Steeeeve> They use showdown battle <LoliLurker> breed <LoliLurker> check stats <LoliLurker> and deal with it <Steeeeve> I do breed <Steeeeve> As I stated earlier <Steeeeve> My Pokemon aren't hacked <Steeeeve> And my reasons for hacking are mostly single player use <|Shadow|> cheating to get to that is still cheationg <Steeeeve> As I don't play competitive on 3ds [So he doesn't play pokemon competitively on the 3DS, wants to get all of the legit pokemon and CAN get them by breeding] <Steeeeve> Only showdown <LoliLurker> Then there is no reason to not follow what I just told you <LoliLurker> GTS <LoliLurker> problem solved <Steeeeve> Gts Pokemon are rarely legitimate, so I'd rather trust in what I've made [His grand plan right now is to find better hacking tools so he can hack up some "legitimate" tournament-able pkmn that he COULD breed for legitimate pkmn or he could just get from the GTS which may not be as "legitimate" and would HAVE TO breed for legitimate pkmn] <LoliLurker> Get GTS pokemon <LoliLurker> breed them <LoliLurker> done <Steeeeve> i breed my own, the gts is just for Dex completion [He is willing to GTS for pokedex completion] <LoliLurker> and then you cheat online <duck> gts pokemon aren't legit so I'll just make my own illegitimate ones [Once again another apt summation courtesy of duck] <Steeeeve> I don't even battle on 3ds <Steeeeve> I use showdown <Steeeeve> As everyone has the same playing field <duck> if you're cheating and they're not then obviously that isn't true <Steeeeve> Showdown has a team builder <LoliLurker> ._. <Steeeeve> Which everyone has access too <Steeeeve> It's an external client <LoliLurker> Right <LoliLurker> So <Steeeeve> Not made by Nintendo <LoliLurker> It's more like <LoliLurker> "I'm a world rank guy on 3DS pokemon because I cheat" <Steeeeve> The world rank is on showdown <LoliLurker> That makes it even worse <duck> do everyone there cheat? <Steeeeve> And isn't related to 3ds Nintendo or cheating <Steeeeve> They don't, it's a battle emulator <LoliLurker> So you are just straight up cheating on the 3DS for fucking nothing <duck> so why the fuck are you cheating then <Steeeeve> Just for collective purposes yeah [So he doesn't even NEED tournament-able pokemon and just wants to hack together some "legitimate" pkmn for pokedex completion] <LoliLurker> THEN THE GTS SOLVES YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM <LoliLurker> what are you smoking <Steeeeve> Qr injecting is faster ["Cheating with QR injection is faster for completing my pokedex, so I don't want to GTS"] <duck> taking steroids is also faster <Steeeeve> All I wanted to know is if there is a workaround for going on wifi workout updating firmware <Steeeeve> I don't think you understand what showdown is <LoliLurker> QR injecting vs just getting a cheat that fills out your pokedex for you [There is a faster way to complete your pokedex than even QR injections] <Steeeeve> Qr injecting doesn't rely on gts luck <Steeeeve> Or you owning several arceus <LoliLurker> neither does using a cheat that gives you complete pokedex <LoliLurker> if you are cheating just to get a complete pokedex <Steeeeve> I like to physically own them rather than having a pokedex with a tick box [Alright so he has at least a little gamer pride, even if he wants to just use energy hacking together "legit" pkmn instead of ticking a box] <LoliLurker> then just use a cheat that completes the pokedex <LoliLurker> There aren't even enough spaces in the boxes <LoliLurker> don't bullshit me with that <Steeeeve> Otherwise I can't enjoy using them to battle the AI <Steeeeve> Bank <Steeeeve> Well I enjoy using volcanion in my game <Steeeeve> But he can't be used online <LoliLurker> the cheating scum saves his pokemon in the pokebank <Steeeeve> They only go to the bank if they are made legitimately [So they only go to the bank that he pays for monthly if they are legitimately...bred? In short, he is willing to hack together a bunch of 'legitimate' pkmn to complete his pokedex, breed them, store them in the pokebank, and maybe use them BECAUSE he couldn't be arsed to fight with GTS and breed those legitimate pkmn and store those instead] <LoliLurker> so you pay money to put pokemon that you use maybe once or twice [Time to pull some BM] <Steeeeve> Can you please calm down <Steeeeve> You're becoming very hostile <LoliLurker> just so you can have them and say "I got me them physically" <Steeeeve> I didn't mean to infuriate you <Steeeeve> Just don't hurt anybody <Steeeeve> And yes, I would rather play the campaign mode then click a button that says I've finished it <LoliLurker> Then you don't need to cheat <Steeeeve> I do if I want to enjoy it more, since I already have several times over [Hear that gamers? "I need to cheat if I want to enjoy it more."] <Steeeeve> I'd like to use fun Pokemon both me and my partner enjoy [O I C...so he has a playing partner, surely that changes everything. Now it makes sense that he NEEDS those 'legit' pokemon...or not.] <LoliLurker> .____. <|Shadow|> whats his name? <Steeeeve> Nawraz <|Shadow|> married yet? <Steeeeve> No we aren't <|Shadow|> why not <|Shadow|> dont u love him? [Maybe I need a little more BM to get this topic going elsewhere] <Steeeeve> no I love you <Steeeeve> Your green text arouses me <LoliLurker> why don't you just cheat and get the marriage paper from somewhere <Steeeeve> That's good advice, I'm glad to see you've calmed down <duck> anyway, could we drop the whole cheating topic? <LoliLurker> It's almost like getting the actual one <Steeeeve> They've been discussing it more than me <Steeeeve> I simply asked about gateway [I'm sorry what? Go back and look at the beginning of this discussion. We answered the gateway questions and gave a possible option to his next posed problem that was declined because he wanted to cheat to get things done faster, but not done instantly for the pokebank that will only hold the pokemon that he will breed himself because he only uses hacked pokemon "just for breeding legitimate ones".] <Steeeeve> Then they decided to have a coronary attack <duck> drop it ["Should single out main player in conversation, hopefully he backs down"] <Steeeeve> Yes loli <Steeeeve> Please do <duck> people don't need to help cheaters <Steeeeve> I assumed this chat was for home brew information <Steeeeve> Not official Nintendo discussion [Cheating is now official Nintendo discussion] <duck> if you want to cheat in multiplayer, figure it out on your own <Steeeeve> I don't <Steeeeve> As stated above <Steeeeve> We are playing through the story together <LoliLurker> <Steeeeve> The gts Pokemon are 90% hacked as it is <LoliLurker> Steeeeve> And most of them don't pass tournament checks <Steeeeve> Tournament checks mean they are hacked <LoliLurker> Steeeeve> We are playing through the story together <Steeeeve> They don't have tournaments in my country <duck> you're contradicting yourself <Steeeeve> No, they are taking things out of context <Steeeeve> And getting worked up again <Steeeeve> Tournaments aren't available in my country, tournament hacks is just a way of telling if it's usable or not <duck> on one hand you're saying you're a top ranked player online, but then you're saying you're only playing through the story together <LoliLurker> You are legitimately not making any sense <Steeeeve> I play on a system that isn't related to Nintendo <Steeeeve> It's a battle simulator <Steeeeve> With the same team <Steeeeve> Builder everybody uses <LoliLurker> You are missing the point we are trying to put across <Steeeeve> The tournaments and world ranks are held on the simulator <Steeeeve> The simulator doesn't involve hacking <LoliLurker> It's not about the simulator <Steeeeve> I want to hack Pokemon for enjoyment in a non multiplayer sense <Steeeeve> But if I hack things that aren't usable in tournaments, they won't work against battle island AI <Steeeeve> Or battle resort [Except that you can indeed use hacked pokemon in Battle Maison, which is in Battle Resort and is the main place you battle] <Steeeeve> Or let me trade my partner [If Nintendo can't even keep illegitimate pkmn off of the GTS where they are literally floating in a server somewhere with ample time to be checked, then I doubt their game would be that strenuous to nail hacking between a local trade that is over in a couple of minutes] <Steeeeve> I am a top ranked player on a simulator called Pokemon showdown ["I need to bring this discussion to an end somehow"] <Steeeeve> I hope you can process this as I've explained it the best I can <duck> we heard you the first four times <Steeeeve> Yet you didn't seem to understand <duck> personally I'm just not interested in continuing the topic <duck> at all ["Jab at that guy again, maybe this time will work"] <Steeeeve> I had finished discussing it where loli tried to rekindle their trolling <Steeeeve> Unnecessarily <Steeeeve> I wasnt provoking their rudeness <duck> pretty sure that wasn't trolling, but rather disagreeing with you <Steeeeve> After you asked everybody to stop discussing it <duck> but take it whatever way you want I guess <LoliLurker> https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonPla...tion_for_hacked_mons_regarding_battle_maison/ [Evidence to refute the Battle Resort claim] ["Still trying to end discussion"] <Steeeeve> I consider trolling to be unnecessary rudeness ["Might as well redefine trolling too so I don't get picked on that"] <Steeeeve> As they are continuing once more [Actual bonafide trolling] <|Shadow|> LoliLurker isnt a their <|Shadow|> i think LoliLurker is one person <|Shadow|> LoliLurker, r u one person? <Steeeeve> If you want me to correct your grammar failures <Steeeeve> I can do so also [Grammatically incorrect, but maybe he still wasn't trying to correct them] <Steeeeve> But typing on an iPhone is difficult on a mibbit chat window [Actual reply to bonafide trolling] [*cue mod entrance] <Thug> soup bitches <Steeeeve> Hello thug <Costello> hey Steeeeve <Thug> hey stev ["Surely poking them while an adult is around will provide some power."] <Steeeeve> This is my first visit here. <Steeeeve> I'm glad to see the mods aren't as rude as the regular users. [No, not really.] <|Shadow|> only rude to cheaters <LoliLurker> that start sifting through topics ["This might still keep going, let's try a different tactic."] * Steeeeve has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) * Steeeeve (7a39852d@GBAtempIRC-7722FD53.mibbit.com23) has joined <Steeeeve> Oops looks like everyone's gone ["I think it worked."] <Steeeeve> I got the answer to my question anyway, thanks <LoliLurker> I'm commenting and posting the irc log <LoliLurker> to a pastebin [This never happened, pastebin doesn't have this fancy color.] <Steeeeve> Have fun ["Psh, he's not going to post it publicly."] <Steeeeve> There are more productive ways to spend your time I'm sure <duck> jp, there really is no need to do that [I'm sorry duck, it had to be done.] <Steeeeve> Cya <Steeeeve> I just came here because it was easier than asking Google <Steeeeve> I won't be returning <Steeeeve> mIRC days are far behind me <Steeeeve> I'm sure the pastebin community will enjoy reading * Steeeeve has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) <Costello> jplayer <Costello> havent i told you to be nicer to noobs <Costello> you literally scare them away <LoliLurker> I did nothing this time D: <LoliLurker> He was arguing that cheating is legit tl;dr : A guy once walked into the IRC stating that he wanted to make "legal" (legal as in pkmn normal stats legal) hacked pokemon that he would then use "just for breeding legitimate pkmn" that he could store in the pokebank, completing his pokedex, battle in Battle Resort, trade with his partner, and was unwilling to get pkmn from the GTS that were also possibly hacked, to do the exact same thing. He argued that cheating was leveling the playing field in online battles that he doesn't participate in and that he specifically required his very own homegrown hacked "legal" pokemon to play through the story/trade with his partner, both of which don't verify if a pkmn is hacked or not. Maybe it never occurred to him that he could just use his hacking tools to make illegitimate pokemon of the pokemon he wants, breed those, and then just modify the stats of those newly bred legitimate pokemon. Or maybe he was bullshitting what his situation was, what he wanted to achieve, and to what end. If you visit the IRC, try to not be like Steeeeve. Don't argue that cheating is legit, or change the situation when things start turning sour. We are only trying to help you by fixing your lying, cheating, scumbag ways and your apparent lack of coherence spewing from that pea-sized brain of yours.