So you are made boss of the politics section. What rules do you enact, repeal or change?

[blakeana]

The fact that all of the mods are obviously NPCs (ie Supporters Of The Current Thing) kind of negates any idea of free discussion or the consideration of contrasting views outside the mainstream narrative.

Source: Their previous behavior.

NPC is when you oppose cherishing totalitarian states and bigotry

 

[VinsCool]

Oh this thread has gotten bumped.
Honestly I would delete the section, this would get rid of large overgrown cancer userbase, especially if no-politics banter is then enforced in every other sections, like it was back in 2008
a majority of the staff don't even want to bother with the section altogether, so that goes into anarchy, which in return makes people even less tempted to even bother, that's a spiral of chaos no one sane wants to get into.

 

[FAST6191]

Oh this thread has gotten bumped.
Honestly I would delete the section, this would get rid of large overgrown cancer userbase, especially if no-politics banter is then enforced in every other sections, like it was back in 2008
a majority of the staff don't even want to bother with the section altogether, so that goes into anarchy, which in return makes people even less tempted to even bother, that's a spiral of chaos no one sane wants to get into.

It was not barred in other sections back then -- USN (then quite popular) and general off topic saw many a debate series and general discussion.

on a serious basis as much as i love free speech i think

Interesting. Most of the time "rights but" is usually a negation of the comment but I don't think I have seen that construction before.

Politics is not bigotry and when you have people routinely spouting xenophobia, transphobia, and anti-science you have not created an “open forum,” you’ve created a violent and unsafe place for a significant chunk of your users. Either moderate it in a reasonable way that seeks to actually build an inclusive community or get rid of it and accept the 0.001% of users who will be pissed they can’t pretend their bigotry is a debate.

"unsafe" seems to be a relatively new term in these discussions. It is an arbitrary standard (especially if we are to include whatever "anti-science" is) whether you go with the playground sticks and stones standard or "I am right and you are wrong" standards (according to some racism is prejudice + power as might be other isms, others have said that not wishing to sleep with transgender people* is transphobia even if you are otherwise all "pay for it on insurance/government healthcare, should be included in the big isms for employment/housing/whatever, go ahead and live your life" and that is before the sports debate, identity documents, age of treatment availability or any that fall under the umbrella of what might be dubbed the terfs.

Significant is another fun one as well; volume, risk-reward (all these dropped monocles get expensive), contribution levels (in or outside section).

*I presume with exception for relevant shades of asexual, though I have once or twice seen those that might be physically representing the gay alphabet soup spectrum claim it does not exist which is amusing given the nature of existence in such circles is a rallying cry at times.

 

[Beware]

It was not barred in other sections back then -- USN (then quite popular) and general off topic saw many a debate series and general discussion.

Interesting. Most of the time "rights but" is usually a negation of the comment but I don't think I have seen that construction before.

"unsafe" seems to be a relatively new term in these discussions. It is an arbitrary standard (especially if we are to include whatever "anti-science" is) whether you go with the playground sticks and stones standard or "I am right and you are wrong" standards (according to some racism is prejudice + power as might be other isms, others have said that not wishing to sleep with transgender people* is transphobia even if you are otherwise all "pay for it on insurance/government healthcare, should be included in the big isms for employment/housing/whatever, go ahead and live your life" and that is before the sports debate, identity documents, age of treatment availability or any that fall under the umbrella of what might be dubbed the terfs.

Significant is another fun one as well; volume, risk-reward (all these dropped monocles get expensive), contribution levels (in or outside section).

*I presume with exception for relevant shades of asexual, though I have once or twice seen those that might be physically representing the gay alphabet soup spectrum claim it does not exist which is amusing given the nature of existence in such circles is a rallying cry at times.

Except those questions and comments are transphobic especially coming out of gaming forum randos. The only people who should be commenting on things like that are the licensed professionals that help trans folks affirm who they are. The only way you could even contemplate those “questions” is because you don’t understand what tf you’re talking about and are more interested in othering an entire class of human being. There is no reason for anybody to be discussing any of that, let alone in a gaming forum. Nobody is telling you to sleep with anyone so bringing up that point IS transphobia as is the original point. Stop worrying about the genitals of strangers and children. Let people live their life instead of repeating the “Jewish Question.” This is all just an attempt to other a group of people to then justify Inhumane treatment.

And it’s frankly alarming and disappointing that a literal mod doesn’t see how questioning the basic human rights of an entire class of people would make those people feel attacked and unsafe then use literal transphobic commentary to justify it.

This is also a daily occurrence whether you choose to see it or not. You have people literally saying shit like “gay people groom children to be gay” and “trans people shouldn’t be allowed to [insert basic right here].” Why the FUCK would any marginalized person stay here another day if literally every day their humanity is questioned? That’s not politic, that’s 4chan

 

[Valwinz]

The fact that all of the mods are obviously NPCs (ie Supporters Of The Current Thing) kind of negates any idea of free discussion or the consideration of contrasting views outside the mainstream narrative.

Source: Their previous behavior.

some are if you go against what the mods support they will remove your ability to post in the topic.
Right now we have a mod posting litteral lies and conspiracies and he is still there like nothing is happening. reason i did not bother anymore is not a neutral place

 

[Deleted member 42501]

some are if you go against what the mods support they will remove your ability to post in the topic.
Right now we have a mod posting litteral lies and conspiracies and he is still there like nothing is happening. reason i did not bother anymore is not a neutral place

100%, its like the ref joining in to kick the ball when you're beating the other team. Funny style but self evident based on what I've seen with my past few posts and threads that aren't waving rainbows as we sing kumbaya.

Slowly but surely every gaming board is turning into ResetEra. *shudders*

 

[Deleted member 42501]

Locking an old thread I just replied to?

https://gbatemp.net/threads/why-are-most-gamers-liberal.544146/page-12#post-9770523

Dear gosh!

 

[blakeana]

Locking an old thread I just replied to?

https://gbatemp.net/threads/why-are-most-gamers-liberal.544146/page-12#post-9770523

Dear gosh!

dear god shut the fuck up already because every time i see you replying on this section it's one of the most retarded braindead takes

 

[Veho]

Locking an old thread I just replied to?

https://gbatemp.net/threads/why-are-most-gamers-liberal.544146/page-12#post-9770523

Dear gosh!

3 year off-topic necrobumps tend to get locked, yes.

 

[Beware]

Locking an old thread I just replied to?

https://gbatemp.net/threads/why-are-most-gamers-liberal.544146/page-12#post-9770523

Dear gosh!

Sweet double post. So that’s two instances of not understanding basic rules in addition to your usual intellectually bankrupt horseshit.

PS: The fact that you’re trying to discuss physical attractiveness as it relates to your world view has got to be the second most fragile thing you’ve posted in your time here. That was hilarious to read.

 

[Beware]

Fuck unity. I’ve no interest in being in community with people who spend their days contemplating the worthiness of other human lives in a vain attempt to prop up their own insecurities. Take the memes back to whatever pathetic hole Richard Spencer is hiding in.

 

[FAST6191]

Except those questions and comments are transphobic especially coming out of gaming forum randos. The only people who should be commenting on things like that are the licensed professionals that help trans folks affirm who they are. The only way you could even contemplate those “questions” is because you don’t understand what tf you’re talking about and are more interested in othering an entire class of human being. There is no reason for anybody to be discussing any of that, let alone in a gaming forum. Nobody is telling you to sleep with anyone so bringing up that point IS transphobia as is the original point. Stop worrying about the genitals of strangers and children. Let people live their life instead of repeating the “Jewish Question.” This is all just an attempt to other a group of people to then justify Inhumane treatment.

And it’s frankly alarming and disappointing that a literal mod doesn’t see how questioning the basic human rights of an entire class of people would make those people feel attacked and unsafe then use literal transphobic commentary to justify it.

This is also a daily occurrence whether you choose to see it or not. You have people literally saying shit like “gay people groom children to be gay” and “trans people shouldn’t be allowed to [insert basic right here].” Why the FUCK would any marginalized person stay here another day if literally every day their humanity is questioned? That’s not politic, that’s 4chan

That is a fairly high bar, one generally not given elsewhere in anything. So only presumably relevant lawyers and given specialist doctors then (which have their own massive internal debates all the time too), which in turn is essentially banning its discussion in its entirety (give or take said member being confirmed as capable I guess which is presumably not a service likely to be offered).

So if I can go out and find many talking heads, granted they are not the lawyers and doctors, claiming that not sleeping with trans people (be it generally or the whole superstraight thing, which would be mathematically allowed if there is indeed a difference between bisexual and pansexual as some claim) on the basis of that then that are bad people (though I might go the other way and say OK, but it is an acceptable flavour of it then). I would agree to a statement of it being a ridiculous standard, and ignore anybody that makes it a stupid moron, but it is one that has been floated and not in the "hurr durr dude in a dress next to my daughter in a toilet" sense.

Identity documents is presently happening in part of the UK. They want to change it from "active effort spending time doing + sign off from medics" to not so very far from essentially "rock up and go for it", which is a thing in other places (I believe Canada had this, much to the amusement of some). From where I sit that either means the law in a modern western state is hopelessly bigoted or the proffered one is going against medicine/science (something seemingly a concern in an earlier post).

Age of treatment is also heavily debated in courts and medicine, with much left to understand (guess we have to also add continuing professional development checks* to the be ye medic or lawyer thing) with massively varying approaches between countries as well.

*which can vary from region to region and do change with time if we look at the DSM and the other takes on mental health conditions.

The sports question is a perfectly valid one from where I sit. I would generally lean into "sports is a genetic freak show" aspect myself which renders it something of a moot point but there are other paths that can be contemplated, to say nothing of variations between different sports governing setups (which by simple logic means one or more is wrong). Though it does not hurt that I find sports boring as a concept and women's sports even more boring than that (I want to watch the genetic freaks do amazing physical feats and it is vanishingly rare that anbody lacking a y chromosome can compete at human limits for strength, speed, endurance, reaction time or all at once, slim possible exception if that "skill" cap means those sports rendered pointless are not rendered pointless -- baseball is boring mostly because human reflexes are not enough to reliably hit a modern fast pitch).

Technically I am not a mod. Just someone that can review things under the official banner and be trusted to put stuff on the portal, though I suppose that makes me a representative of the site in some capacity. I would equally not see myself as questioning anything on the rights front (the part in quotes in the earlier post is my general position on things -- anything else is poor economic policy as trying to find good people is hard enough and on an individual basis how much melanin you have, what wobbly bits you have, what wobbly bits you like to fumble or if you reckon you were born with the wrong wobbly bits matters little either in the debates on the best version of tetris or your capability to figure out what to solder where to fix/mod this thing). As far as staying here the same reason others would if there is drivel on the forums in any other given topic -- it is nice when you are in an echo chamber of smart people that would never hurt the feelings of even a fly but such things are a fantasy really. If the hypothetical person there is really so fragile then maybe this general internet lark is not for them, can only hope they grow some thicker skin one day. I would also return to the old standard of "sunlight, wonderful disinfectant" and ponder that some in this.

 

[Beware]

Stop deflecting. There is NEVER a reason to question the validity of another persons humanity regardless of your views on who they are. That was an essay to say you’re not understanding the point and would rather deflect to a semantic argument instead of address thing actual issue: othering a set of human beings to justify boorish, inhumane treatment of them.

There are literally hundreds of years of history that demonstrate this, the “Jewish question” and the “black problem” being the most glaring examples in recent history. Nobody is telling you that you can’t have shitty opinions, the point is the humanity and fundamental human rights of other people is NOT politic and is NOT up for debate in any place that is interested in creating a space where all peoples can feel like they belong.

This has nothing to do with thick skin from the targets of the vitriol as it is the fragility of bigots that cause those ridiculous outbursts in the first place. Deflecting blame to the people being attacked for defending themselves is asinine and frankly shameful. If you want people to feel comfortable and welcome in your community then make them feel welcome and comfortable in your community. Letting bigots dictate the terms of engagement is creating a hostile environment no different from 4chan. That’s not “free speech,” that’s upholding systemic discrimination to favor your personal status quo.

 

[FAST6191]

You say deflection, and make assertions about me not respecting humanity (ones I will flatly deny/say citation and explanation needed). Going to have to try harder there as nothing seems in danger of sticking so this is getting boring. I already went as far as my position (live and let live, happy to be my friend, medical standards are good standards and it is enough of an issue to add to baseline medical care, add it to the list of reasons to get slapped if you say "ew we are not hiring/renting/serving you" and so forth) and if that somehow makes me the cunt then cunt I shall be.

 

[Beware]

You say deflection, and make assertions about me not respecting humanity (ones I will flatly deny/say citation and explanation needed). Going to have to try harder there as nothing seems in danger of sticking so this is getting boring. I already went as far as my position (live and let live, happy to be my friend, medical standards are good standards and it is enough of an issue to add to baseline medical care, add it to the list of reasons to get slapped if you say "ew we are not hiring/renting/serving you" and so forth) and if that somehow makes me the cunt then cunt I shall be.

No what makes you a cunt is pretending that people not standing for this place turning into a hive of xenophobia are somehow deficient in character or not “thick skinned enough”

 

[Viri]

As long as people don't spam, or resort to calling each other vulgar slurs, I'd keep a hands off approach.

 

[Taleweaver]

Locking an old thread I just replied to?

https://gbatemp.net/threads/why-are-most-gamers-liberal.544146/page-12#post-9770523

Dear gosh!

You necrobumped a thread saying the people you disagree with are ugly. Then you bitch about a mod decision in a passive aggressive stance here.

It's not my idea of hilarious, but ey... Laugh it up.

 

[SG854]

You necrobumped a thread saying the people you disagree with are ugly. Then you bitch about a mod decision in a passive aggressive stance here.

It's not my idea of hilarious, but ey... Laugh it up.

All of God's children is beautiful

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Burn this entire section to the fucking ground and let it rot in hell.

 

[SG854]

Burn this entire section to the fucking ground and let it rot in hell.

This dude is flamin'