Biden use it to buy votes and it worked now is not needed anymore since he already tricked the idiots lol
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Biden use it to buy votes and it worked now is not needed anymore since he already tricked the idiots lol
Is this a Generation Z thing where in Gen Z wants a free ride where those before them did not? And who floats that bill? Why is college still important anyhow? Unless you want to be a doctor or something, I fail to see the point of attending one in the first place. Surely there are better alternatives to acquire skills.
I could study the history of Street Fighter. Why should society pay for that? Child education is a human right, not adult education.I can't believe the shit I've read on this thread. Dude it's a prehistoric society to live in if you NEED to pay to FUCKING study man. Like what the fuck it's a human right why is people still arguing about something so basic in developed countries
But why not be consistent and make both a human right?I could study the history of Street Fighter. Why should society pay for that? Child education is a human right, not adult education.
But why not be consistent and make both a human right?
Society is already paying for one why not pay for both?
Seems strange to cut it off right when they needs to learn specific skills for their career choice, which you don't learn in HS but learn in College. HS is more of generic education. College is specified.
Another day, anothernotimpNothereed thread wherein apparently more than half the population could conceivably support unmitigated evil (this despite all politicians proving themselves incompetent and corrupt on the regular) but might as well play.
The better solution is to reduce the amounts guaranteed by the loans.
That way only the capable, those likely to pay back or already rich get in rather than the free for all party (and pork barrel/gravy train for terminal academics) that most things seem to end up being.
Cost is usually the answer, especially if you are going to be paying the ridiculously inflated prices that the US seems to go in for. Does it provide a suitable return on investment and could the limited funds (we will pretend for a moment it is not money printer go brr and actually trying to use funds from taxes, incomes and investments such that they don't spend more than they make or debt is not rolled over endlessly as a tax on the lazy investor*).
The cost of it (in addition to not having your youth in the workforce/generating income for 4 years if you fall for the con like the US does and 3 years in the rest of the world, 4 if you do a masters) vs what they might achieve by other means (on the job training, apprenticeships, military, whatever they come out of I would agree not very useful at present compared to past high school with, self teaching, entrepreneurship). Already it is quite a questionable thing for most, and would be even if it was significantly cheaper -- many would say if you are not going for STEM (science, technology, engineering, maths, and even those have their don't touch this area aspects** or medicine) then don't bother, be rich already or be exceptional in your field -- the world does need more historians but performance requirements are high, and while law is often in that list it has changed to being only if it is a top tier school for it. Even then the tech side of things is questionable for a lot of people -- plenty of computing firms take people in with nothing (or harder to obtain skills -- trying to get the average nerd to contemplate physical security is difficult, training some former military/police/security services how to use a port scanner or prebaked tools is rather easier) and train them up, and even in more traditional engineering plenty of non degree avenues into that even if we don't consider the self educated and many of those I would pick for my team over a freshly graduated degree holder.
This is also before whether we consider if people are capable of it -- I have my misgivings with a lot of IQ based efforts*** but I would put it forward as a jumping off point (IQ also being a heritable trait for the most part). That is also saying nothing about interest in the subject; I pull things apart because it is fun and will do it 14 hours a day, someone else can learn but if they have to force themselves to do that then they are a massive disadvantage. This can also vary between the sexes if we want to bring that into it as some do, and the damage it does to "affirmative action" hires is also on the cards (take some of the poor purple eyed people into your school because it makes your sorting historical oppression feelings tingle but run out of the smart ones, relax some requirements and let the lesser ones in and the lesser ones that might have done really well at the lesser roles in society... well the wash out rates speak for themselves).
*your pension fund and such like is probably required to have government debts as a significant fraction of their portfolio, one reason why they rarely beat inflation or sticking it in the market index and walking away.
**employment rates of those that go in for biology and biochemistry is perhaps not as high as some other areas, and computing varies dramatically as well between squeaked through java coding for idiots and could code a new fully featured OS tomorrow computer science type, or barely able to work helldesk vs able to deploy a whole new infrastructure if going that way.
***videos because why not
I know some are not as great a fan of the guy but this is less how to live your life and more observable reality.
Did have one for levels of reading but going with a link https://fs.blog/levels-of-reading/
Short version of that is there are various levels of reading, not everybody is capable of them all and that limits peak performance (if you can't take 5 multiple ambiguous sources, tease out useful info to come to a larger conclusion and go from there then you are never going to make a good lawyer, an I am sure we both know enough people that can barely follow simple instructions).
With that logic we should make parents pay for Elementary School, Middle School, High School. Incur debt for trying to get an education for their children then force parents to pay for enormous amount of debt. So we can stay consistent with how we handle college.Good.
They agreed to that debt, so they pay it. If I made a debt, would I expect someone else to pay? No.
Your comparison is illogical.With that logic we should make parents pay for Elementary School, Middle School, High School. Incur debt for trying to get an education for their children then force parents to pay for enormous amount of debt. So we can stay consistent with how we handle college.
You are paying for your nephews elementary school education and high school education through your taxes.Your comparison is illogical.
They do that because they are their parents, their carers, their guardians, so they care about their future and they want them to succeed for a prosper future.
You know, much as I like my nephew and niece, I'm not paying anything for them since I'm not their parent -- That's their parents job. I could, if I wanted to, but I don't.
Lemme just make a million dollar debt and ask for someone else to pay... Nah, that ain't right.Forgiving debt is unfair towards those whose debt is not forgiven.
Yes, thru tax, but not giving them directly. Odd comparison again.You are paying for your nephews elementary school education and high school education through your taxes.
And you can pay for college debt relief through your taxes. It's not giving them directly. Like you said.Lemme just make a million dollar debt and ask for someone else to pay... Nah, that ain't right.
Yes, thru tax, but not giving them directly. Odd comparison again.
You think being "pro-family" means paying a family member's debt? If it's a parent then it's entirely possible they agree to that debt, but a brother, daughter, uncle, aunt, grandpa, grandma, etc? No.What a pro family move.
Point of diminishing returns is the question.Doesn't the cost argument also considers HS? Yet we still pay for HS through Government Programs. If cost was an issue then why don't we stop finding Middle School and High School through our taxes? Why stop at college?
Universities do have career days, assistance in finding things and the like. They are usually about as useless as your high school career guidance.I wonder why it is that colleges are not more competitive with one another in regards to pricing? Also, while there are grants galore to be used as an alternative to a government loans, I wonder why it is that you can't take your courses at University then pay the University back after you have graduated and began making your new life...
...unless they are not confident that what they are selling will actually benefit you in the long run and not just leave you stuck with a bill. I know the trade school I attended at the end of high school helped to find us jobs when we graduated, do colleges do that? Also, since college books are so disposable, why not print the text books as paper bound leaflets and books instead, since there is no logical reason to preserve an ever updated text in hard back. On that note I noticed a lot of college libraries suck as they tend to stick with what's popular at the time, rather than seasoned literature, such as James Billington's, Fire in the Minds of Men: The Origins of Revolutionary Faith. He was once the lead librarian of the Library of Congress, and by far laid down history better for me than so many of the school text books I was forced to read growing up, be that High School, Trade School, or my short time in College. Lastly, who decides what is to be honored as a Degree and what is not? What committee decides this, who appointed them, and at what point in history did a degree become more important than something like demonstrable skills?
Are you really comparing a random info about something that's not needed to survive in this society? Your logic makes no senseI could study the history of Street Fighter. Why should society pay for that? Child education is a human right, not adult education.
If that was true, then you would not have the president appoint them.In theory, judges should act independently, regardless of politics.
But gender studies are needed? Fictional literature is not needed either (e.g. Shakespeare). If society needs sth, there are scholarships. Those who studied sth useful, do not need debt forgiveness. Why reward bad decisions like studying the history of Street Fighter? It encourages more bad decisions.Are you really comparing a random info about something that's not needed to survive in this society? Your logic makes no sense
Yes because every single class taught in college is a gender studies class .But gender studies are needed? Fictional literature is not needed either (e.g. Shakespeare). If society needs sth, there are scholarships. Those who studied sth useful, do not need debt forgiveness. Why reward bad decisions like studying the history of Street Fighter? It encourages more bad decisions.