The situation in Ukraine...

[Xzi]

Not sure what reality you're living it, I hope it's fun, but the left is either far left or close to it.

This just tells me you're not worth engaging with any more. "The left is left." No shit Sherlock. The Democratic party, however, is not leftist. The closest thing we've had to a major leftist political party in America was the Working Families Party, and the CIA murdered MLK just for founding it.

We're sending them to the border, that's close enough to get involved.

"We're sending them to a border, and any border is the same as the Ukrainian border." U wot m8?

It's called "implying", ever heard of that, when you don't outright say something but allude to it?

I didn't even remotely imply that I was talking about you, I was responding to tabzer lmao. He didn't take offense, so it's all the more ridiculous that you would in his stead.

I don't care if Russia wants Ukraine or not or if Putin wants to take it.

Well I could've guessed that...conservatives aren't exactly known for their overwhelming abundance of empathy for others.

 

[tabzer]

Our disagreement is a much more subtle one about how and why weapons manufacturers choose to market themselves the way they do to the public. They only really advertise themselves in spaces where they know for sure their presence is welcome, such as military bases.

Again. You are very wrong. Just because you aren't subscribed to a newsletter, doesn't mean there isn't one; for example. If you don't want to know, for sure, that you are wrong--you can continue to avoid the places where proof has been indicated. You are playing the role of escalating as opposed to de-escalation. So you say you are against war, but your actions show otherwise.

You can lead a horse to water...

 

[Xzi]

Just because you aren't subscribed to a newsletter, doesn't mean there is one

I assume you meant "doesn't mean there isn't one," and I never claimed weapons manufacturers didn't have newsletters. The ones the public receives are from small arms manufacturers though, I'm talking about the bigger fish like Raytheon.

You are playing the role of escalating as opposed to de-escalation. So you say you are against war, but your actions show otherwise.

I assume you're referring to the US when you say "you," because obviously I have no role to play on the geopolitical scale at all. Even still you'd be incorrect. Neither Biden, Blinken, nor anybody else representing the US has made any statements that could even vaguely be considered a threat. Talk is all about sanctions, and conditional on Russia's actions from here on out. Because again, and I can't repeat this enough apparently: THERE IS ONLY ONE AGGRESSOR IN THIS SCENARIO. Neither the US nor Ukraine has done anything to warrant Russia's aggression.

 

[tabzer]

I assume you meant "doesn't mean there isn't one," and I never claimed weapons manufacturers didn't have newsletters. The ones the public receives are from small arms manufacturers though, I'm talking about the bigger fish like Raytheon.

Yes, I made the edit. When do you sleep, lol? The point is, is when Raytheon and Lockheed Martin are telling their investors that the increased tensions are a boon for conflict--consider those investors are also reporting the news to you and leading political discourse, telling you what to think.

I assume you're referring to the US when you say "you,"

Nope. Playing idiot on the internet is a contribution, even if the value of it cannot be tangibly grasped. When you have the US and/or Nato pouring weaponry into and training soldiers in Ukraine for the express intent to fight Russia, you have the mirror of an argument that you made about Russia increasing troops along the border. Just knock it off.

 

[lordofcombo]

Not against few skirmishes between Ukraine and russia،that will make few nuclear scientists flee Ukraine,so we can hire them for our own countries.
Think outside the box guys...

 

[Xzi]

When do you sleep, lol?

In the week leading up to Elden Ring...never.

The point is, is when Raytheon and Lockheed Martin are telling their investors that the increased tensions are a boon for conflict--consider those investors are also reporting the news to you and leading political discourse, telling you what to think.

True, but as I said before, that industry's sphere of influence is mostly limited to the Republican party. A different set of corporate interests controls the Democratic party.

When you have the US and/or Nato pouring weaponry into and training soldiers in Ukraine for the express intent to fight Russia, you have the mirror of an argument that you made about Russia increasing troops along the border. Just knock it off.

There's no legitimate argument to be made that helping Ukraine prepare to defend themselves is the same thing as US/NATO aggression. They are our ally, so that's both the least and the most we can do for them in this scenario.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

This just tells me you're not worth engaging with any more. "The left is left." No shit Sherlock. The Democratic party, however, is not leftist. The closest thing we've had to a major leftist political party in America was the Working Families Party, and the CIA murdered MLK just for founding it.

Likewise, so don't engage for all I care, but this will probably continue on for another thousand pages, and the left is infected with socialist and communist values more and more everyday. You can be as ignorant as you want to be on that fact but it is the truth.

"We're sending them to a border, and any border is the same as the Ukrainian border." U wot m8?

Did you not read that we're sending them to the Ukraine border or are you just that stupid?

I didn't even remotely imply that I was talking about you, I was responding to tabzer lmao. He didn't take offense, so it's all the more ridiculous that you would in his stead.

Well I guess I got confused on that point maybe. Since it was either you or somebody else who called me a Russian bot and a racist. Not like it matters since it's hard to tell your kind apart from one another it all just blends in.

Well I could've guessed that...conservatives aren't exactly known for their overwhelming abundance of empathy for others.

I have empathy for others, I just don't think we need to get involved in any conflicts now considering how broken apart our own country is. Worry about ourselves first then worry about what you can do for others. Sorry it's hard for you to understand that, let's just spread ourselves around the world even if we don't have the means or manpower to do so because otherwise we're the meanies who don't want to help. If you want to help, fine, but leave me out of it so I can fix the problems here first.

 

[wartutor]

Why not send these troops to the southern border to help secure our border. Stop all the illegal activity our current p.o.s of a president is just continuing to aid and abeid. If trump did half the shit biden did you would scream impeach....wait didnt Hilary make shit up and plant evidence on an elected official to try and overthrow the president of the usa. They whole time everyone on the left screaming impeach. And who is the real insurrectionist. What is happening at the Ukraine border is simple. Hillary and her gang got their buddy Putin to "pretend" to stage a takeover so Biden can "negotiate" a peaceful resolution. Give Biden a win "as fack and staged as it is."

 

[djpannda]

Why not send these troops to the southern border to help secure our border. Stop all the illegal activity our current p.o.s of a president is just continuing to aid and abeid. If trump did half the shit biden did you would scream impeach....wait didnt Hilary make shit up and plant evidence on an elected official to try and overthrow the president of the usa. They whole time everyone on the left screaming impeach. And who is the real insurrectionist. What is happening at the Ukraine border is simple. Hillary and her gang got their buddy Putin to "pretend" to stage a takeover so Biden can "negotiate" a peaceful resolution. Give Biden a win "as fack and staged as it is."

none... literally NONE of that statement is based in Reality ...

 

[subcon959]

Here's some interesting reading from the other (Russian) side. I'm gonna make the assumption that the independant polling center is legit as it seems to have a decent reputation.

https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/5-polls-contextualize-russia-ukraine-crisis

It's not surprising to see the majority are blaming US/Nato as the initiating aggressor, but I didn't expect to also see that most people want to see better relations with the US.

 

[djpannda]

Here's some interesting reading from the other (Russian) side. I'm gonna make the assumption that the independant polling center is legit as it seems to have a decent reputation.

https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/5-polls-contextualize-russia-ukraine-crisis

It's not surprising to see the majority are blaming US/Nato as the initiating aggressor, but I didn't expect to also see that most people want to see better relations with the US.

will remember the Russian side news is Providing COMPLETELY different views From US News and Then A Third View from world wide news.
So these Polls will change depending where the poll is taken from,

And Remember The Normal Russian are like Normal Americans, They don't give a fuck about Politics, They are just normal people who deal with the same shit everyone does. They don't want Violence or Blood Shed, especially over EGOS

 

[subcon959]

especially over EGOS

That's the problem isn't it.. all of these guys seem to have massive egos, especially Putin.

 

[Xzi]

UK intelligence says Russia now has half of its entire military stationed on the border with Ukraine.

Ukrainian support for joining NATO and EU hits record high.

The United States' message to Russia: prove us wrong.

 

[djpannda]

UK intelligence says Russia now has half of its entire military stationed on the border with Ukraine.

Ukrainian support for joining NATO and EU hits record high.

The United States' message to Russia: prove us wrong.

I see Russian invaded Ukriane Definite. But just like that Headline. ITs going to Strengthen Ukriane Resolve to actually Join Nato..
and Then Putin is going to be jealous.
Boom WWIII

 

[KingVamp]

I have empathy for others, I just don't think we need to get involved in any conflicts now considering how broken apart our own country is. Worry about ourselves first then worry about what you can do for others. Sorry it's hard for you to understand that, let's just spread ourselves around the world even if we don't have the means or manpower to do so because otherwise we're the meanies who don't want to help. If you want to help, fine, but leave me out of it so I can fix the problems here first.

Except anything that would actually approve people's lives, would have you spamming the words socialism and communism at it.

 

[Taleweaver]

Ahem... Though I've started the thread, i won't be engaging in discussions on motivations. Just about the actions...

At first i thought Wednesday passing meant a closing of the window of opportunity (us services had hinted Wednesday as D-day). That didn't happen, obviously.

But now it's escalating regardless. Donetsk (a... Republic state? In eastern Ukraine) is currently evacuating civilians... To Russia.
There's been a car bombing (no one injured).

And yeah... Nato is setting troops in a state of readiness, the us (Harris) is in support of Ukraine...and Russia is about to test the capacity of the nuclear arsenal.
US intelligence estimates the Russian troops between 169 and 190'000. Largest deployment done the second world War.

 

[matthi321]

if russia doesnt end up invading ukraine,im not gonna trust anything the us goverment says for a long time

 

[Xzi]

There's been a car bombing (no one injured).

The metadata on that shows it happened on the 16th, but Russia is trying to pass it off as happening today. Another attempt at a false flag, basically.

if russia doesnt end up invading ukraine,im not gonna trust anything the us goverment says for a long time

If Russia doesn't end up invading then all it took to deter them was a bit of reverse psychology. That'd be great. Sadly I don't think it'll be enough.

 

[k7ra]

All talk about VS Navo, Ukrain, Russia.
But, no talk about that Ukrain kill Ukrain people.

Russia's aggression in what?
That Nato keep adding army and weapons near Russia?
That USA only talk about a starting a war that already Russia "?start?" few times by invading? (And still not done it)
Tell me what you would try to do?
If you live in home with family and see that near you appear army with weapons that become bigger and bigger, talk how they would smash some of your family.
Right answer - you would try protect it. How you can protect it? By talking and prepare for worse (you would get a gun too)...
That's what we see what happens, world talk about a war - then army increase near Russia. And I'm sure in near future we again see some questionable proofs again. Well, if it would continue - doesn't matter who would start it, but it would happen. And that's what we really not would want. War, would touch all of us, trust me.

This invading dates are taken from where? We not see any real document with proof. We not see any real proof of Russia invading. But all talk that Russia do it from long ago. Take note about false proofs that come from "game?" too. Note that on Ukraine appear many racist against Russian language and people too.
But that's all not a main problem, people with their family that simply live on Donbass got attacked by their army (Ukraine). They not have weapons, but die there. Note that army have weapons, they got it from Nato too and still cant solve problem (Or, we should maybe rethink it and say that they not want it to ends?)

 

[Donnie-Burger]

Hillary getting caught is bringing out all their Ukraine business and Obama is scared like a little bitch right now cause hes next. Exposure exposure exposure. Ladies & gentlemen the harvest is here.

Remember when these were all conspiracy theories? Where's the main stream news apologizing or even covering it now? = Exposed! Un-elected pseudo elite frauds are going down.