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I'm really tired of the shitting the USSR and Russia have been at. We can't reunite with Moldova because they created a frozen conflict there and continue with impunity to do whatever they want to their neighbors. They trampled over Georgia's north and now they're causing trouble with our eastern neighbor. We're all too familiar with these stupid games and fed up with them. Putin is due for a fat lip. If he invades he'll find Afghanistan 2.0 and we'll be happy to funnel military aid to their guerilla troops. And should he be dumb enough to fuck around these parts, neither we nor the Ukrainians will be afraid, not of sword, bullet, nor atom.
 
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I think Putin overstimate Russia's economical power to sustain a long cold war with Americans,and I'm seriouslly thinking he's signing his death sentence by targeting Ukrainian.But as usual,he's just bluffing.
Ukraine is a US Ally and that's something he can't do nothing about,it's time he leave the presidency,he's giving me Boris Yeltsin vibe.
 

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Yep, only difference is that our oligarchs reside in the corporate world, while Putin has a much smaller roundtable of oligarchs in government. China has both types of oligarchs. All three nations also just so happen to be hyper-capitalist, so take that as you will.
The way that sounds to me is that the oligarchy behind the economic interest of America, for the time being, is internationally embedded and thus, pervasive to geopolitical constraints. They are available to the highest bidder and would throw the US, and its people, under the bus the moment it becomes an advantage. America appears compromised by this system of governance. It's not morality driving the narrative.
 

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The way that sounds to me is that the oligarchy behind the economic interest of America, for the time being, is internationally embedded and thus, pervasive to geopolitical constraints. They are available to the highest bidder and would throw the US, and its people, under the bus the moment it becomes an advantage. America appears compromised by this system of governance. It's not morality driving the narrative.
For the moment they do have some restraints on their power, namely that while conflict is a boon for some industries' profits, it's a detriment to others. Weapons manufacturers sure did keep the grift in Afghanistan/Iraq going for quite a while though.

China's oligarchs have the most influence on the world economically, as they represent the largest consumer base by far.
 
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Weapons manufacturers sure did keep the grift in Afghanistan/Iraq going for quite a while though.

Exactly, and they are back at it again. They definitely do profit off of this "opportunity" with Russia, and they have already demonstrated contribution to the rhetoric.

Of course, the response you gave is logical, but it doesn't exactly say what we should be paying attention to or why.

I really don't think that America is in any (moral) position to have a say, since it apparently is still stuck in 1865. They are probably anti-Russian simply because Americans are racist right-wingers looking for war. I'm sorry that would include you by extension, but that is the current acceptable pathos for rhetoric.
 
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They definitely do profit off of this "opportunity" with Russia, and they have already demonstrated contribution to the rhetoric.
They do, but weapons manufacturers don't put out press statements. Putin's rhetoric is what's causing alarm, nobody else's.

I really don't think that America is in any (moral) position to have a say, since it apparently is still stuck in 1865. They are probably anti-Russian simply because Americans are racist right-wingers looking for war. I'm sorry that would include you by extension, but that is the current acceptable pathos for rhetoric.
Lol the racist right-wingers are a very loud minority, but they've loved Putin basically ever since Fox News first came on the air. Besides, modern American racism does not extend to other white people, regardless of their nationality.
 
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All politically right-leaning people seem to have this creepy obsession with Putin, to the point of fantasizing that he's somehow the perfect libertarian leader and not just another piece of shit oligarch that lied, cheated, stole, and murdered his way to the top. It's really quite baffling, especially when coupled with their attempts to simultaneously resurrect McCarthyism.
Oh really, then why is it all I see is left-wingers talk about Russia, Putin, and "the Kremlin" nonstop as if that's where the source of all evil and corruption in the world is? And you claim the right is trying to resurrect McCarthyism when it seems like the left is clearly doing it more? And this is not me "defending Russia" or Putin, I don't like either, but I just don't really care about what goes on over there and are more concerned about the country I was born and are currently living in. If Putin really did lied, cheated, stole, and murdered his way to the top, which he could've done, let the Russia people deal with it if they don't want him as a leader anymore and start a revolution for all I care. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't get involved in this Ukraine BS, and somehow people took it as me defending Russia and Putin as I'm a secret Russian agent. Damn, what a jump in assumption. I guess I better call it quits and turn in my badge to the red motherland because a couple of basement dwelling nerds found be out comrade!

You know, it's funny, but it almost seems to me like that Putin and Russia is living in your own head rent free rather than me, but that's impossible, you're right and I'm just a Russian bot created by the ultimate red superpower Russia. You know nothing about me outside of the posts I made here but you completely got my number comrade.

Lol the racist right-wingers are a very loud minority, but they've loved Putin basically ever since Fox News first came on the air. Besides, modern American racism does not extend to other white people, regardless of their nationality.
Ah yes, those damn racist right wingers again. Because the left isn't at all racist and focuses all their time and energy on race and gender and trying to measure the worth of a person based on those two things.

You're a racist, and based on the freedom convoy spreading around the world since it's started in Canada, freedom loving "racist" right-wingers may not be such a minority, so I suggest you shut your own god damn mouth before you start to choke on your own foot and actually learn what's actually happening in the world around you, otherwise continue being an arrogant and ignorant ass for all I care.
 
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They do, but weapons manufacturers don't put out press statements. Putin's rhetoric is what's causing alarm, nobody else's.

Lol. The hell they don't. Raytheon and Lockheed Martin have been riling up their investors with the "news". I take it you didn't watch the Ukraine vid I linked. Your loss.

Besides, modern American racism does not extend to other white people, regardless of their nationality.

From the outside it looks like America's racial problems aren't limited to white people. It looks like a hodgepodge of race wars. I was trying to demonstrate the faulty rhetoric that your media likes to use, which Canada seems to be cranking to 11.
 

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Oh really, then why is it all I see is left-wingers talk about Russia, Putin, and "the Kremlin" nonstop as if that's where the source of all evil and corruption in the world is?
Need I remind you that the Democratic party is, by and large, a capitalist center-right party? That said, it shouldn't require explanation as to why Russia threatening war against a peaceful country minding their own business is newsworthy/buzzworthy.

And you claim the right is trying to resurrect McCarthyism when it seems like the left is clearly doing it more?
McCarthyism is a mindless crusade against communism and socialism (which are themselves leftist ideologies), Russia hasn't been either of these things for over half a century.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't get involved in this Ukraine BS
We can't and won't be getting involved directly, I've lost count of how many times I've had to repeat that. Ukraine is a US ally, however, and abandoning them entirely to the wolves would be a terrible look.

Ah yes, those damn racist right wingers again. Because the left isn't at all racist and focuses all their time and energy on race and gender and trying to measure the worth of a person based on those two things.

You're a racist, and based on the freedom convoy spreading around the world since it's started in Canada, freedom loving "racist" right-wingers may not be such a minority, so I suggest you shut your own god damn mouth before you start to choke on your own foot and actually learn what's actually happening in the world around you, otherwise continue being an arrogant and ignorant ass for all I care.
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Lol. The hell they don't. Raytheon and Lockheed Martin have been riling up their investors with the "news". I take it you didn't watch the Ukraine vid I linked. Your loss.
Getting giddy over their stock market gains is not the same as releasing a press statement to the general public. For the most part, they'd rather the general public forget they exist at all.

From the outside it looks like America's racial problems aren't limited to white people. It looks like a hodgepodge of race wars. I was trying to demonstrate the faulty rhetoric that your media likes to use, which Canada seems to be cranking to 11.
Our biggest race-related problems come from our police force. Not too surprising since they get about the same amount of training in the US as McDonald's fry cooks.
 
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Getting giddy over their stock market gains is not the same as releasing a press statement to the general public. For the most part, they'd rather the general public forget they exist at all.

You appear to be doing everything you can to look away from the convenience that the American war racket affords economically and to commercial interests--from "leading" politicians to major media players. The video is like 12 minutes long and will probably cause you to change your tone.

 

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You appear to be doing everything you can to look away from the convenience that the American war racket affords economically and to commercial interests--from "leading" politicians to major media players. The video is like 12 minutes long and will probably cause you to change your tone.


No offense, but I don't need Russell Brand, of all people, to interpret news and current events for me. Putin has explicitly threatened to turn the entire continent of Europe into a bloody battleground, so yes, we know that he and other oligarchs like him would gladly walk us ass-backwards into WW3 if given the opportunity.
 

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Need I remind you that the Democratic party is, by and large, a capitalist center-right party? That said, it shouldn't require explanation as to why Russia threatening war against a peaceful country minding their own business is newsworthy/buzzworthy.
No it ain't, and that statement alone tells me and others how misinformed you if you truly think that.
McCarthyism is a mindless crusade against communism and socialism (which are themselves leftist ideologies), Russia hasn't been either of these things for over half a century.
Duh. So why is the left trying to resurrect it.
We can't and won't be getting involved directly, I've lost count of how many times I've had to repeat that. Ukraine is a US ally, however, and abandoning them entirely to the wolves would be a terrible look.
Could've fooled me with past statements, plus, getting involved in anyway is getting involved. We're sending troops to their border.
Is that a picture of you as a baby? I hope you're still cute looking now as you were back then for your sake.
 

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Sure bud, and the Earth is flat. /s

Putin is all alone in this pathetic attempt to divert attention away from his failings as leader at home in Russia. In the most simplistic terms possible, his dick is limp and he's staring down Ukraine like it's extra-strength Viagra.


No idea why people keep bringing the US into this. The US' stance is that Ukraine can do whatever the hell they want in regard to NATO. Only Russia is trying to force their hand on that decision by threatening military aggression. Therefore the only choice to be made here is whether or not Ukraine wants to bow down before an ex-KGB dictator, and they obviously do not.
And which might be the U.S.' opinion about México, Canada and for that matter Cuba to allow Russia to create military bases on their territory?

Do you think U.S. will be gladly accepting them?

Cuba still has U.S. sanctions from long ago, all related to Russian-Cuban relations.

U.S. government is at the richest people's service, "we the poeple" has long ago lost its real meaning.
 

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No it ain't
We've got a grand total of two self-proclaimed democratic socialists in government. The other several hundred representatives in the Democratic party are all unashamedly hyper-capitalist, and have very often voted with Republicans. It's just a different set of corporations that pulls the Democratic party's strings, as opposed to the obvious oil and weapons lobbyists that pull the Republican party's strings. Center-right versus far-right, the illusion of choice leading us slowly down an increasingly authoritarian path.

Duh. So why is the left trying to resurrect it.
Don't play dumb. Right-wing media does nothing but bitch about imaginary "cultural Marxism." You could probably recite a lot of their talking points by memory for me.

We're keeping a presence in the region, yes, a presence we already had. You'd know we're not sending troops to Ukraine if you had actually read the article.

Is that a picture of you as a baby? I hope you're still cute looking now as you were back then for your sake.
That was the best TLDR I could make for your statement. I didn't even name anyone here specifically when referring to "right-wing racists," but your reflexive instinct to jump to their defense is quite telling.

U.S. government is at the richest people's service, "we the poeple" has long ago lost its real meaning.
The richest person on Earth, if we're counting dark money, is Vladimir Putin. Though yes, if Trump had won the election (god forbid), he would've told the world that Ukraine already belongs to Russia and let Vlad waltz right in and take it. So it really is a flip of the coin in terms of how the US will respond to crises like this...our democracy is far from stable at the moment.
 
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I think Putin overstimate Russia's economical power to sustain a long cold war with Americans,and I'm seriouslly thinking he's signing his death sentence by targeting Ukrainian.But as usual,he's just bluffing.
Ukraine is a US Ally and that's something he can't do nothing about,it's time he leave the presidency,he's giving me Boris Yeltsin vibe.

I think you might be underestimating him and overestimating the Americans.

But we will see.
 

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No offense, but I don't need Russell Brand, of all people, to interpret news and current events for me. Putin has explicitly threatened to turn the entire continent of Europe into a bloody battleground, so yes, we know that he and other oligarchs like him would gladly walk us ass-backwards into WW3 if given the opportunity.
Oh well, I tried. You'd be surprised at how much smarter he is than you. The main point is the news that he presents. The punchlines write themselves. If looks like you just want to tell everyone your version of reality and listen to no one. You've already said things that are factually wrong and pointing them out doesn't appear to cause any correction.
 

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Oh well, I tried. You'd be surprised at how much smarter he is than you. The main point, is the news that he presents. the punchlines write themselves. You've already said several things that are factually wrong.
Brand seems to have set himself up as the poor man's Joe Rogan. And Joe Rogan was already the poor man's Rush Limbaugh. So if I'm "factually wrong" according to his "facts," I'll take that as a compliment.

BTW Russian separatists shelled a kindergarten building today. Thankfully nobody seems to have been seriously hurt. And Russia is now up to 150,000 troops on the border according to Ukraine.
 
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Brand seems to have set himself up as the poor man's Joe Rogan. And Joe Rogan was already the poor man's Rush Limbaugh. So if I'm "factually wrong" according to his "facts," I'll take that as a compliment.

BTW Russian separatists shelled a kindergarten building today. Thankfully nobody seems to have been seriously hurt. And Russia is now up to 150,000 troops on the border according to Ukraine.

You are confusing the commentator with the sources. That's the illiteracy I was talking about. When you make claims about defense contractors that are demonstrably untrue, it make me wonder if you've already invested.
 

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You are confusing the commentator with the sources. That's the illiteracy I was talking about. When you make claims about defense contractors that are demonstrably untrue, it make me wonder if you've already invested.
I have no clue which post of mine in this thread gave you the idea that I'm a huge fan of the military industrial complex, but you're obviously way off base. Our disagreement is a much more subtle one about how and why weapons manufacturers choose to market themselves the way they do to the public. They only really advertise themselves in spaces where they know for sure their presence is welcome, such as military bases.
 
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We've got a grand total of two self-proclaimed democratic socialists in government. The other several hundred representatives in the Democratic party are all unashamedly hyper-capitalist, and have very often voted with Republicans. It's just a different set of corporations that pulls the Democratic party's strings, as opposed to the obvious oil and weapons lobbyists that pull the Republican party's strings. Center-right versus far-right, the illusion of choice leading us slowly down an increasingly authoritarian path.
Not sure what reality you're living it, I hope it's fun, but the left is either far left or close to it. And most hate capatalism. Sure, there are some moderate dems close to the center, but they are far and few between and are usually ostracized by their own party viciously.
Don't play dumb. Right-wing media does nothing but bitch about imaginary "cultural Marxism." You could probably recite a lot of their talking points by memory for me.
Oh yeah, because it doesn't exist right now in other parts of the world or in our very own government and seeping in our society. It just doesn't exist as long as we plug our ears and go "la la la I can't hear you I can't see you". You're lack of self awareness is astonishing, but I've seen if from others here so it's not surprising. I should stop trying to argue with people that have manure for brains and refuse to grow more intelligent, that's my problem.
We're keeping a presence in the region, yes, a presence we already had. You'd know we're not sending troops to Ukraine if you had actually read the article.
We're sending them to the border, that's close enough to get involved.
That was the best TLDR I could make for your statement. I didn't even name anyone here specifically when referring to "right-wing racists," but your reflexive instinct to jump to their defense is quite telling.
It's called "implying", ever heard of that, when you don't outright say something but allude to it? Need a dictionary too now? I hope that pic wasn't of yourself now, because if you are a baby, it would explain a lot. Stupid people also hate reading, which some gave me the same response as you with long posts. Don't want long answers, then don't post, but don't bitch when you can't read beyond two sentences. I can make it shorter if it pleases you, if I feel like it's necessary to,
The richest person on Earth, if we're counting dark money, is Vladimir Putin. Though yes, if Trump had won the election (god forbid), he would've told the world that Ukraine already belongs to Russia and let Vlad waltz right in and take it. So it really is a flip of the coin in terms of how the US will respond to crises like this...our democracy is far from stable at the moment.
I don't care if Russia wants Ukraine or not or if Putin wants to take it. They can fight it out themselves for all I care and not involve us. Those two places can burn for all I care as long as it doesn't involve us. I don't like Russia, I don't like Putin, and I really just have zero interest in Ukraine. I'd rather focus on our problems first before getting involved outside our own broken country. And thank god Trump didn't in, otherwise inflation would be high, our borders would be almost non-existent and we'd be letting everyone in regardless if they're a threat or not, and our country had never been more united in it's history.

I think we can agree on one thing though, our democracy is far from stable at the moment, but just not the reasons you think, or been brainwashed to believe, it is.
 
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