The situation in Ukraine...

[djpannda]

Well, alright then. If you really feel that strongly about it then here you go:

https://www.usa.gov/join-military

what a weird way to say your Pro-MExican takeover of American's Southern boarder

but weird any time, logic and facts get introduce you can quickly tell who just BS Trolls, they want to avoid facts..

so Your argument, is that IF people have a issue with Russian taking over Ukriane then they should "join the Military" to have the US fight Russia but at the same time Complain that US is fighting Russia?

 

[Glyptofane]

what a weird way to say your Pro-MExican takeover of American's Southern boarder

but weird any time, logic and facts get introduce you can quickly tell who just BS Trolls, they want to avoid facts..

The southern border actually does seem like a lost cause now that you mention it. With that logic, maybe we should just take an equal part of Canada to make up for it?

So you just wanted other people's kids to die for your twisted utopian vision, got it.

 

[djpannda]

The southern border actually does seem like a lost cause now that you mention it.

So you just wanted other people's kids to die for your twisted utopian vision, got it.

You would allow innocent people to be hostilely taken over by a Country because its leader is mad that it whats to play with another Group.
The Choices are not 1. allow Russia to take over Ukriane or 2. War. That just the FearMongler speaking.

 

[Glyptofane]

You would allow innocent people to be hostilely taken over by a Country because its leader is mad that it whats to play with another Group.
The Choices are not 1. allow Russia to take over Ukriane or 2. War. That just the FearMongler speaking.

That's just it. Our attempts to keep "democracy" in Ukraine and in the region generally is what maintains the hostility and violence. I really doubt Russia is just going to go in and wreck the place like we and our proxies do to the Middle East.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

..yes USA have been horrible aggressors all thought out history
but that situations is a bit different as
Taiwan not only invites of USA themselves for Military training but also part of a defense treaty they have to patrol the area
in NOO WAYY is Ukraine Inviting Russian military

Taiwan inviting USA =/= Russian Threatening Ukraine

Cuba once invited Soviet Union for an alliance, and asked for some missiles for "self defense" so that was OK then? Obviously not. (Taiwan was just a lose example btw, there are tons).

Ukraine vs Russia is indeed a question where Ukraine need political aid of international community, I 100% support that. What I told in response to other guy up there is that USA is not any better than Russia. Both are ruthless imperialist nations that just want to expand their power with no regard for anything.

And don't even tell me that every nation is that way, because it is not.

 

[djpannda]

That's just it. Our attempts to keep "democracy" in Ukraine and in the region generally is what maintains the hostility and violence. I really doubt Russia is just going to go in and wreck the place like we and our proxies do to the Middle East.

... guess your coma from 2014 is doing you a diservice

This is Ukriane in 2014

This is Ukriane NoW. YOU see the color Change... That when RUSSIA "went in and wreck the place"

 

[djpannda]

Cuba once invited Soviet Union for an alliance, and asked for some missiles for "self defense" so that was OK then? Obviously not. (Taiwan was just a lose example btw, there are tons).

Ukraine vs Russia is indeed a question where Ukraine need political aid of international community, I 100% support that. What I told in response to other guy up there is that USA is not any better than Russia. Both are ruthless imperialist nations that just want to expand their power with no regard for anything.

And don't even tell me that every nation is that way, because it is not.

which is why Ukraine was looking for Aid from NATO (NOT USA). Turkey ( Nato Member) was the one of the biggest helpers of Ukriane at the moment. the issue is that Mother Russia wanted any and all help or support to go thru them first for the ok

 

[Glyptofane]

By wreck I mean entire cities in ruins, thousands dead or in camps, I suppose. I would imagine there would inevitably be some of that.

I don't really have anymore jokes on the matter except of course that we can't really afford to keep policing the entire planet, which is stupid anyway, especially after wrecking our own economy with the moronic virus hoax. Maybe it really is the right thing to do as you suggest, but we can't save everyone and that's not even what our government is going for anyway. It's another grift.

 

[djpannda]

By wreck I mean entire cities in ruins, thousands dead or in camps, I suppose. I would imagine there would inevitably be some of that.

of you Mean Ruins like

(rubble of the Luhansk,Ukraine in 2014)

In Ruins of Ukrainian Town, Residents Crave Food, Water and Peace​

It's another grift.

of course it is.. the issue is who's grifting who

 

[Glyptofane]

of you Mean Ruins like

(rubble of the Luhansk,Ukraine in 2014)

In Ruins of Ukrainian Town, Residents Crave Food, Water and Peace​

of course it is.. the issue is who's grifting who

Maybe, I was trying to find some widespread/aerial photos, but had some difficulty finding more than one of multiple buildings in the same shot. Google would maybe yield better search results?

Empires have apparently been fighting over Ukraine for hundreds or even thousands of years. I guess it really comes down to being a strategic location and point of convergence for the region. Like certain other places, it's seemingly never going to end. It's this idea that it's all about protecting human rights when we have our own political prisoners among other abuses that gets to me.

 

[Valwinz]

Nothing is going to happen. just the west creating a storm in a glass of water.
News are war mongering

 

[Xzi]

It's only not relevant because it's a land border, but you have to admit those giant battleships are a lot more capable than a whole bunch of soldiers.

It'd be relevant if the US had multiple battleships stacked up against another country's border right now, but we don't. A single battleship floating around is just a reminder of our presence in the region for both our allies and enemies. Whether anyone here approves or disapproves of that tactic is again irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Putin is playing the role of conqueror here, and that has almost no modern-day equivalents to draw on.

USA indeed move troops and ships in a threatening meaner, and they do that every single year. Very often they do that near Taiwan for example.

Speaking of Taiwan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/8/us-approves-support-deal-for-taiwan-patriot-missiles

So yeah, USA is the worst offender when it comes to official aggression, but that do not means that what Russia is doing is right, it just waive more weight on international community than USA actions for whatever reason.

The Taiwan situation is similar to Ukraine in that China has been constantly and consistently threatening their status as an independent nation. For that matter, China doesn't recognize Taiwan's sovereignty at all, which is wrong. Do I think the US should go to war with China over Taiwan? Absolutely not, but nor do I think China should be able be able to march into Taiwan with zero resistance and murder whoever they want. Both the US and the world obviously have a bit more investment in Taiwan as opposed to Ukraine, since the former is among the largest microchip manufacturers.

 

[Donnie-Burger]

Nothing is going to happen. just the west creating a storm in a glass of water.
News are war mongering

Their narrative fell apart so they are trying reall hard to start WW III. It's to late and what follows is exposure...

 

[Xzi]

Their narrative fell apart so they are trying reall hard to start WW III. It's to late and what follows is exposure...

What follows is a lose-lose situation for Russia, since Putin just pulled a Streisand Effect on NATO. Either he invades Ukraine and gives the best marketing pitch ever for why other European nations need to join it, or he withdraws and demonstrates that NATO is a strong deterrent even when they don't fire a single shot. He's stuck between a rock and a hard place while wearing a dunce hat.

 

[Donnie-Burger]

What follows is a lose-lose situation for Russia, since Putin just pulled a Streisand Effect on NATO. Either he invades Ukraine and gives the best marketing pitch ever for why other European nations need to join it, or he withdraws and demonstrates that NATO is a strong deterrent even when they don't fire a single shot.

This is a joint operation between 78 countries. Putin n friends are getting rid of UN (and more) corruption, that's what this is all about, this is his window. Kassarian mafia cant stop military from 78 countries. They have all been exposed. Luscius trust / luceferian trust is being dismantled on a worldwide scale. The game is over for them. They are trying to spin this like always but the truth always circles back.

Remember the revolution will not be televised. (Not when the real terrorists control the media that is).

No one has ever complied themselves out of totalitarianism

Once government acquires power it never lets go voluntarily

 

[CMDreamer]

I'm going to get a lot of bad comments but I don't care, this is what I think and believe and what I'm going to stand up for.

To all ukrainians out there, take a look at what U.S. have done in all their political and war history, Afghanistan being the most recent example and think twice before allowing them to get into your territory, and get their noses into your political matters.

U.S. doesn't take a step without waiting something in return, and most of the time it means allowing them to take your freedom in many ways.

U.S. belief is that they have the ethical/moral right to impose sanctions to everyone that have taken a step away from their control, but not everyone is willing to lower their head and allow them to take over control.

 

[Xzi]

This is a joint operation between 78 countries.

Sure bud, and the Earth is flat. /s

Putin is all alone in this pathetic attempt to divert attention away from his failings as leader at home in Russia. In the most simplistic terms possible, his dick is limp and he's staring down Ukraine like it's extra-strength Viagra.

I'm going to get a lot of bad comments but I don't care, this is what I think and believe and what I'm going to stand up for.

To all ukrainians out there, take a look at what U.S. have done in all their political and war history, Afghanistan being the most recent example and think twice before allowing them to get into your territory, and get their noses into your political matters.

U.S. doesn't take a step without waiting something in return, and most of the time it means allowing them to take your freedom in many ways.

U.S. belief is that they have the ethical/moral right to impose sanctions to everyone that have taken a step away from their control, but not everyone is willing to lower their head and allow them to take over control.

No idea why people keep bringing the US into this. The US' stance is that Ukraine can do whatever the hell they want in regard to NATO. Only Russia is trying to force their hand on that decision by threatening military aggression. Therefore the only choice to be made here is whether or not Ukraine wants to bow down before an ex-KGB dictator, and they obviously do not.

 

[Donnie-Burger]

Sure bud, and the Earth is flat. /s

Putin is all alone in this pathetic attempt to divert attention away from his failings as leader at home in Russia. In the most simplistic terms possible, his dick is limp and he's staring down Ukraine like it's extra-strength Viagra.


No idea why people keep bringing the US into this. The US' stance is that Ukraine can do whatever the hell they want in regard to NATO. Only Russia is trying to force their hand on that decision by threatening military aggression. Therefore the only choice to be made here is whether or not Ukraine wants to bow down before an ex-KGB dictator, and they obviously do not.

CLUELESS yet run your mouth like you know. Funny and pathetic at the same time. Really made me laugh out loud. Your just regurgitating what the media is showing you BUD. Shit can be right in front of you yet still believe other shit, good luck with that. Just wait n see what happens next or wait for the media to tell you what happened LOL.

Hint: 40/47 Tesla starlink satellites were destroyed....And no it wasn't the magnetic storm the media is telling you. We are already at war and have been!

The Crown ruling is OVER! No matter witch way they turn THEY ARE SCREWED!


Those who know know.

 

[Glyptofane]

CLUELESS yet run your mouth like you know. Funny and pathetic at the same time. Really made me laugh out loud. Your just regurgitating what the media is showing you BUD. Shit can be right in front of you yet still believe other shit, good luck with that. Just wait n see what happens next or wait for the media to tell you what happened LOL.

Hint: 40/47 Tesla starlink satellites were destroyed....And no it wasn't the magnetic storm the media is telling you. We are already at war and have been!

The Crown ruling is OVER! No matter witch way they turn THEY ARE SCREWED!


Those who know know.

There's several of these guys here who are essentially living embodiments of the media as I'm sure you're already aware. It's amusing, but also scary in a way. Don't let them get you running in circles.

 

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