The Israel and Palestine conflict

[Naderino]

I'm with Isreal on this one, after what these subhuman hamas medievil scum did to them I have zero sympathy if Hamas are all turned to glass and end up nothing more than relics of history. Here's hoping every single one of them is caught and killed in the worst way possible. Isreal should pump the tunnels full of nerve agent, or flood them with sea water - let the rats drown, and those that pop up - shoot them in the head.

Lol, some people's eyes never seem to open, nor will they ever. Go ahead and spread the rhetoric that Hamas hides between civilians and are cowards. The world needs more people like you, while Israel destroys innocent civilians while most are children for an attack that could've been ceased weeks ago. Don't forget Israel is doing this not just in GAZA, but also in the WEST BANK (which has no Hamas). Go ahead and educate yourself instead of jumping into conclusions. This has been happening for YEARS without even Hamas existing in the first place. They were simply formed as a resistance group from the YEARS of oppression and terror from Israel's government. Go ahead and support GENOCIDE and saying the world will be a better place for a people who are indigenous to their land in recent times and who have been pushed, and pushed, and pushed from their homes only to live in a dense place and open air prison. Yep... Of course, getting rid of Hamas by removing the entire palestenian race will DEFINITELY solve the problem and the world will DEFINITELY be a better place. Right?

 

[smf]

Your average Jewish or Arabic person isn't responsible for any of this, but all too often have to deal with the fallout from it anyway.

You mean that you don't think Israel should kill all Palestinians because 3000 years ago Jews owned all that land?

Which seems to be the main thrust of the pro Israel argument.

 

[pustal]

In my estimation, Netanyahu and the far-right influences in Israel's government rank ahead of Hamas as the worst thing to happen to the region in recent years. They've been 100% opposed to a two-state solution, which inevitably meant that slaughtering or driving the entire Palestinian population out of their home land was the only solution they would accept.

Should go without saying, but I condemn all forms of racism, bigotry, and antisemitism. Your average Jewish or Arabic person isn't responsible for any of this, but all too often have to deal with the fallout from it anyway.

Like I linked above, Netanyahu and his buddies literally supported Hamas - including financially - in order to create division and discredit the Palestian Authority, and quite frankly to divert attention from his corruption as well as to use then as a justification for ethnic cleansing. This is not a conspiracy theory, they are known facts:

https://www.cbc.ca/1.7010035

Hamas represents more the wishes of Bibi than the people of Gaza, where more than half are too young even to have ever been able to vote on Hamas before they took out democracy.

 

[SylverReZ]

AI has become very realistic and can make people believe almost anything.
So yes, it is a fake. Not all that different from Hollywood movies.
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On Twitter, there's a lot of rumors and lies circulating about it, and its rather piteous that anyone would believe it. Ben Shapiro and his reign of lies make me hate him more.

 

[ganons]

Anyone watched this? Piers was deffo caught off guard

 

[depaul]

Let's suppose some gangs attacked your home. Do you go and kill all innocent people living in the neighborhood where those gangs live?

 

[Windsall]

Even if Israel does spread some biased views and lies purposefully, there's no need to talk about this as a blanket statement, because it can be taken as dismissing the horrible things hamas has done against innocent israeli lives. The fake stuff is not the biggest issue at hand that Israel is doing. But the innocent lives lost to hamas are still horrible things that can be admitted, though there's so much more going on.

@mrdude The issue is that Israel isn't only targetting hamas, they are indiscriminately harming, bombing and killing innocent palestininans including many more children. The numbers are already in the thousands in the last weeks. This is a war crime, which is why Israel spreads the narratives it does about human shields being used, but anyone that actually looks into what's happening on the ground can see that it's not relevant to what Israel is actually doing, which is just committing horrible acts that are way disproportionate.
And while they've escalated, it's not new for Israel to treat Palestine horribly, and have been displacing and taking their land and killing palestinians for quite a while.

Many people are under a wrong impression around how Israel was established, and lots of jews were led astray by that too, and you can find videos online of people shocked by what actually happened, which someone can treat as colonization.

 

[Jayro]

Nuke the middle-east into a sheet of glass.

Conflict resolved, and Africa gains the world's largest skating rink. Everybody wins.

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Let's suppose some gangs attacked your home. Do you go and kill all innocent people living in the neighborhood where those gangs live?

Well I sure wouldn't want them to become future gang members a decade down the road, so logic dictates yes.

 

[ZeroT21]

We can all talk about making peace, but when the chaos hits you at home you'd rather exterminate them

 

[Windsall]

We can all talk about making peace, but when the chaos hits you at home you'd rather exterminate them

So if someone attacked your home you think it's ok to go to theirs and kill them as well as their family and neighbours? (innocent people who haven't done anything)

 

[tabzer]

Nuke the middle-east into a sheet of glass.

Conflict resolved, and Africa gains the world's largest skating rink. Everybody wins.

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Well I sure wouldn't want them to become future gang members a decade down the road, so logic dictates yes.

Bypass mask-slipping and go full wardrobe-malfunction.

 

[depaul]

Mr. Jayro, do you accept this logic to be applied to you, or your family? (with all due respect.)

 

[Coolsonickirby]

Nuke the middle-east into a sheet of glass.

Conflict resolved, and Africa gains the world's largest skating rink. Everybody wins.

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Well I sure wouldn't want them to become future gang members a decade down the road, so logic dictates yes.

Jayro getting carpet-bombed because some guy 20 blocks down killed someone (it was necessary to prevent any future murderers)

 

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[ZeroT21]

So if someone attacked your home you think it's ok to go to theirs and kill them as well as their family and neighbours? (innocent people who haven't done anything)Well. I can only speak for myself, but justice

I can only speak for myself, but humans have emotions, so we'll do whatever it takes to make us feel what we're doing is ''justified''.Not everything can be said is right or wrong, either lawfull or immoral .In the end only history can judge us if it were right or wrong, after it has transpired. It sounds like a plain excuse but I am only describing my view of the situation

 

[Marc_LFD]

I hope things can be worked out, but I personally don't choose a side in this and people protesting for/against one or the other in a country that has nothing to do with them is just pointless. If people are really that eager, then go, fly there.

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4chan with a gaming site skin.

"If you are against Israel, you are against the existence of Judaism."

Dumbmax said something like that too:



There's enough problems as it is and Israel/Hamas is in Middle East so that's got nothing to do with me.

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Anyone watched this? Piers was deffo caught off guard

There's a Part 2 and it's in my Watch Later list.



Bassem Youssef cracks me up. lol

 

[JaapDaniels]

Wow, so we're appealing to war crimes now?

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Just out of curiosity, what do you think of Hamas supporters, say this guy, for example?

Just sayin' when both sides do war crimes again and again, i'm not really interested in wich one did the last one.
Both sides play the game by the same rules (or the lack of rules)...
Those who support a regime that creates an toxic environment should not be surprised when it strikes back at them.

 

[chrisrlink]

ethnic clensing? didn't israel lean not to commit the same Atreociiities Nazi Germanny did to them almost a century ago? I condemn the Hamas attackks yes but as some other members saiid before you don't indiscriminatly go on a killing spree to weed out just a few bad apples

 

[Hanafuda]

Let's suppose some gangs attacked your home. Do you go and kill all innocent people living in the neighborhood where those gangs live?

If the gang members live in those peoples' basements it's gonna be pretty difficult to avoid. And using this word "attack" so generically dilutes that it was a mass murdering, arson committing, people burning, raping, and mass kidnapping act of terrorism.

The people of Gaza elected Hamas to be their government.

 

[depaul]

Using this word "attack" so generically dilutes that it was a mass murdering, arson committing, people burning, raping, and mass kidnapping act of terrorism.

I am with you I was in solidarity with innocent Israeli families since day 1. Hamas did a very bad thing.

Hamas isn't a country, it doesn't represent all Palestinians. Those poors are being massacred from both sides. I feel sorry but probably we'll see dozens of thousands of Palestinians dying in this war.

Collective punishment in war is a crime.