Supreme Court upholds Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare)

[blahkamehameha]

So, Obama flat out being caught lying makes me an unintelligent buffoon.

Nice argument, albeit weak.

 

[Densetsu]

The health care system is still fundamentally broken. With the amount that we spend on health care, there's no way our system can sustain itself. Obamacare is only a patch slapped over a bigger problem.

We also need to fix the mentality of Americans. We're greedy-ass bastards. People think they're entitled to a full-body MRI just because their toe hurts.

 

[smile72]

So, Obama flat out being caught lying makes me an unintelligent buffoon.

Nice argument, albeit weak.

I'll give you one lie to Romney's hundreds.

 

[The Catboy]

President Obama: "Let's be clear, this isn't a tax. I repeat, not a tax. (does wink and teeth sparkle) You can rest assured again, this is not a tax."

Supreme Court: "This is a tax."

I gladly welcome new President Romney.

So you will take one lie for the millions Romney's lies?
Romney lies about his lies.

 

[the_randomizer]

President Obama: "Let's be clear, this isn't a tax. I repeat, not a tax. (does wink and teeth sparkle) You can rest assured again, this is not a tax."

Supreme Court: "This is a tax."

I gladly welcome new President Romney.

So you will take one lie for the millions Romney's lies?
Romney lies about his lies.

Right, because we all know Obama never lied during his four years as "President"

Yes, because we all know that Socialism is SO much better than Capitalism. Canada has roughly ten percent of the US population; less people = less money the government spends. The US has ten times the population and with the economy being as bad as it is, do the people in power really think socialized medicine will work that much better? And before you verbally emasculate me, no, I don't watch Fox News or any news channel because in general, news is so bloody negative and heavily focused on how both sides of the political spectrum have morons I couldn't care less hearing about. We're 16 trillion dollars in debt and when the government pays for everyone's insurance, it'll all go to hell. Yes, I agree that everyone should be insured, BUT, we should be able to choose who our provider is so we can get QUALITY insurance, not the kind that makes people wait for a long time to be treated.

 

[gamefan5]

The majority opinion was written by Chief Justice John Roberts, who held that the law was a valid exercise of Congress’s power to tax.

Sourrce:MSNBC
http://nbcpolitics.m...h-care-law?lite
This made me jump for joy I'm so happy, I'm glad this law is constitutional.

I suppose you will also be happy when some president down the line says , "your grand kids must pay for internet access or pay a fine " or they must pay for a car , or pay for rubbers or ect.

I'm smart enough to realize (unlike you) that everyone needs healthcare, you don't need a car. You don't need to have sex. You don't need internet. It's the broccoli argument. It makes no sense and you just sound foolish making it.

Healthy people dont need health care

Yeah? Too bad life doesn't work that way. I'm pretty sure you need health care to STAY healthy in life. XD
Anyway this is GREAT NEWS. XD

 

[freaksloan]

Whose fault is it now, when heath care cost still continue to sky-rocket? There is nothing affordable about Obamacare.

 

[The Catboy]

Right, because we all know Obama never lied during his four years as "President"

I am just going to leave this here and get back on topic.

I have always been a big supported for this plan, so I am quite glad to see it wasn't shoot down.

 

[gamefan5]

Whose fault is it now, when heath care cost still continue to sky-rocket? There is nothing affordable about Obamacare.

Well, that's why the US needs to keep the health costs low.
Oh wow, sometimes I'm lucky to live in Canada. Then again one of it's major problems are the wait times. I never knew how much of a problem people think Obamacare is a problem. .
Well I ask this.
Is Obamacare a problem?

 

[Skelletonike]

Health care is really important. =3
*Is happy that he gets free health care in all European Union country members*

 

[Thesolcity]

There was this comment on Reddit that explained everything "Obamacare"

 

[gamefan5]

Health care is really important. =3
*Is happy that he gets free health care in all European Union country members*

 

[Skelletonike]

Health care is really important. =3
*Is happy that he gets free health care in all European Union country members*

 

[chartube12]

People also fought against Bill Clinton's health plan for children. I tell all those who were against it to *uck off. My older bother has Autism and other health problems. If it wasn't for the health plans approved in the mid-90s my brother would of died a few times. So I can tell you health care is important as natural resources. Anyone who says other wises is worse then scum.

Edit: wait times in city and large towns of the US are very long. ER is even worse. Smaller town family doctors can get you in faster but only after waiting 1-2 weeks for an appointment. Speaking of witch the smaller town doctors are not as experienced as the middle and large size ones. And often lack newer technogy which can make a difference between life and death. with new tech comes some major down sides. Not even talking about the cost here, but the ridiculous phone system all doctors seem to be using. Back in the old days you had nurses who knew some medical stuff who could give u advice in a pitch. Now you have to go threw all these voice system crap and then talk to un-medicinally trained office secretary. Yes the general health care of america needs a major revamp. This plan of obama's is a start.

 

[gamefan5]

Health care is really important. =3
*Is happy that he gets free health care in all European Union country members*

 

[smile72]

President Obama: "Let's be clear, this isn't a tax. I repeat, not a tax. (does wink and teeth sparkle) You can rest assured again, this is not a tax."

Supreme Court: "This is a tax."

I gladly welcome new President Romney.

So you will take one lie for the millions Romney's lies?
Romney lies about his lies.

Right, because we all know Obama never lied during his four years as "President"

Yes, because we all know that Socialism is SO much better than Capitalism. Canada has roughly ten percent of the US population; less people = less money the government spends. The US has ten times the population and with the economy being as bad as it is, do the people in power really think socialized medicine will work that much better? And before you verbally emasculate me, no, I don't watch Fox News or any news channel because in general, news is so bloody negative and heavily focused on how both sides of the political spectrum have morons I couldn't care less hearing about. We're 16 trillion dollars in debt and when the government pays for everyone's insurance, it'll all go to hell. Yes, I agree that everyone should be insured, BUT, we should be able to choose who our provider is so we can get QUALITY insurance, not the kind that makes people wait for a long time to be treated.

Okay it seems you do not understand, Obamacare is not socialism, it's very much capitalist as you get taxed if you don't buy health insurance from health insurance companies, You don't know what socialism is do you? Most of the world including the U.S. has socialism, no first world country is completely capitalist.

 

[Densetsu]

Whose fault is it now, when heath care cost still continue to sky-rocket? There is nothing affordable about Obamacare.

Well, that's why the US needs to keep the health costs low.
Oh wow, sometimes I'm lucky to live in Canada. Then again one of it's major problems are the wait times. I never knew how much of a problem people think Obamacare is a problem. .
Well I ask this.
Is Obamacare a problem?

A major factor in the amount of money spent on healthcare in the US is the salary of physicians. As of 2010, there were over 660,000 physicians and surgeons in the US. Most US physicians (non-surgeons) make an average of $175,000 per year, with surgeons making upwards of $400,000 a year and orthopedic surgeons averaging $500,672 a year. If we assume conservative numbers and just say that every physician (including surgeons) makes $175,000 a year, that's $115 billion dollars being paid out to physicians every year. That doesn't even include overhead costs of running a hospital, ordering tests (X-rays, MRIs, CT scans, blood workups, lipid panels, etc.) and overall inefficiency in the way hospitals are run.

Most physicians aren't willing to take a pay cut, so there are lobby groups that protect the physicians' interests by blocking any proposition to Congress to lower health care costs. It's not because physicians are selfish; it's because the way the US medical education system is set up, people have to work so damned hard just to become a physician. After studying one's ass off and sleeping only 3-5 hours a day for 14 years, many would feel entitled to a high salary. And once you reach that point where you can call yourself a doctor, the job itself isn't exactly cushy. It's still a high-stress job with long hours (sometimes 100 hours a week if you're on call).

Meanwhile, you have board members of pharmaceutical companies making a killing off new patents of drugs. The drugs they produce are extremely expensive and those costs contribute to the cost of health care. Those costs are again shouldered by those who need health care. Big Pharm execs don't actually care if their drugs work or not; they only care that they have a statistically significant effect (no matter how small), so that they can continue to line the pockets of their shareholders.

The US makes it so difficult to become a doctor, and once you become one, they work you like a horse. That, combined with the specialized knowledge that they have, is why doctors get paid so much. Most doctors wouldn't be willing to take a pay cut just to make health care cheaper for everyone. Whenever someone attempts to pass a bill for universal health care, lobby groups (consisting of physicians, hospital board members and Big Pharm board members) pay off members of Congress so that they don't sign the bill. These bribes come in the form of "donations" to their campaigns.

This problem is extremely difficult to fix, because med schools can't just "make it easier" to become a doctor so that they can be paid less. Physicians are held to a high standard of clinical knowledge, and there's no way around this. After all, we can't be putting our lives in the hands of a bunch of incompetent idiots. And Big Pharm is so powerful, they have influence in political circles. In order to lower the cost of health care, someone has to take a pay cut.

As a future physician, I'll be one of the first to admit that some doctors get paid way do damn much. I'm sure orthopedic surgeons can cope with having to wait a little longer to save up for their third Lamborghini.

*EDIT*
One important point I forgot to mention is that medical school is really expensive in the US, and most medical students are on loan. Since the federal government did away with subsidized loans last year, the loans that med students take out begin to accrue interest immediately. Med students don't make any money for the first 4 years of their education, so that's 4 year's worth of built interest that they can't do anything about until they start making money. There are very few full-ride scholarships for med school (because the assumption is that you'll make enough money to pay it all back). And what physician wouldn't want to pay off their loans as fast as possible? As a second-year med student myself, I'm already $200,000 in debt. By the time a student finishes his/her education, he/she has to pay back $300,000-$400,000 in debt. This is yet another reason why doctors aren't willing to take a pay cut.

Yes, because we all know that Socialism is SO much better than Capitalism.

The prevailing theory among my classmates in med school is that socialized medicine in the US would actually work. Of course, a socialized system has its drawbacks; no system would be perfect, but it would still be better than the clusterfuck of a system we have in place now. Can you imagine--the only thing the US spends more money on is warfare! No other country even comes close to spending as much as we do on health care. People talk about how socialized healthcare would be so bad for the US, but we already have so many socialized institutions in place (public education system, firefighters, police force, etc.). I don't see anyone complaining about how our K-12 education is socialized.

I could get into it more, but after writing that wall of text above, I don't have the time nor the energy to write another wall of text. Maybe I'll come back to discuss it, maybe I won't.

Anyway, everybody gets sick, sooner or later. That's why everyone should have health insurance. People can't just wait until they get sick, and then decide to get insurance.

 

[the_randomizer]

Okay it seems you do not understand, Obamacare is not socialism, it's very much capitalist as you get taxed if you don't buy health insurance from health insurance from health insurance comoanies, You don't know what socialism is do you? Most of the world including the U.S. has socialism, no first world country is completely capitalist.

Why should I be taxed for a healthcare program I don't want? I should be able to CHOOSE WHAT I WANT, not want those wankers in Congress say I have to get.

 

[Densetsu]

Why should I be taxed for a healthcare program I don't want? I should be able to CHOOSE WHAT I WANT, not want those wankers in Congress say I have to get.

This I can agree with. Health insurance companies should have a competitive market so that people can use the policy that suits them the best. That would give insurance companies an incentive to offer better, cheaper packages in order to draw more customers.

Some states have only one company handling all health insurance policies in that state. They have a monopoly and can set whatever prices they want.

 

[Thesolcity]

not want those wankers in Congress say I have to get.

The "compulsory insurance" bit is a trade off since insurance agencies will no longer be able to deny you based on any "pre-existing conditions". (Cancer, disease, birth defects.). Its there so wankers don't buy healthcare at the last minute when they absolutely need it. "Well shit, I have cancer and its gonna run me up some. Better get some fucking insurance now!". Its written to be fair to both parties. Besides, I don't see anyone up in arms about mandatory auto insurance.