1. Draxzelex

    OP Draxzelex GBAtemp Legend
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    Well that is sort of up in the air. Data collection during the initial banwave went from non-existent to extremely vague. We were able to determine people were banned for using LayeredFS both offline and online but that could be attributed to many different reasons such as error codes or having save data for a game you don't own. And since most of those only made accounts to share such information, we may never find out why these bans occurred but its been generally accepted that using LayeredFS to load backups is one of the most reliable ways to get banned. Its even labeled as dangerous in the OP.
     
  2. fantasticlain

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    Theoretically then if we delete save data from games that we don't own every time and since atmosphere paches creport
    then we should be fine????? Maybe
     
  3. huma_dawii

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    My guess is, LayeredFS was responsible for the bans... TOO MANY ERROR logs for things Nintendo didn't implement...
     
  4. Draxzelex

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    Its not worth testing for several reasons:
    1. We have native backup loading with .XCI and .NSP files
    2. LayeredFS is a nightmare to setup for backup launching
    3. The risk for using LayeredFS to play backups still remains as we never identified a root cause
     
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    So in the past, it was possible to go online and still preserve your fuses, by booting "STOCK" (OFW) in Hekate.

    This seemed to be "safe", in that no one got banned for just having the wrong number of fuses.

    However, according to this link:
    https://github.com/CTCaer/hekate/issues/189#issuecomment-466826549
    CTCaer tries to provide a "semi-stock" alternative, BUT it seems that that's STILL CFW.

    So if in the past, there were no cases of people being banned just for having the wrong number of burnt fuses, it's possible that that might change if people try to go online with "semi-stock".

    @Draxzelex, is this something of interest to keep track of? I don't think I'm alone in having an interest in this use case, I think I see a few other users also being interested in this, like @MalleMann, @OvOvOv, and @axiomjunglist.
     
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    This is actually my personal setup since...whatever day I put into the spreadsheet. I downloaded the 6.2 system update, booted into Atmosphere, and installed the update while I had AutoRCM so I could update without burning fuses and using homebrew (e.g. ChoiDujourNX). Ever since, I have been booting stock via Hekate and no ban insight. If I do get banned, I will let everyone know how potentially unsafe this method is safe but as CTCaer states, this is relatively safe.
     
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    Never thought of that.

    But still, my XCI only strategy is keeping me safe.
     
  8. Nezztor

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    And then you will get a one bad xci someday and puff good bye your cert
     
  9. huma_dawii

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    That can't happen, when you backup your own carts or download from a single reliable sourse.
     
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    I have a question: If I delet every hack relatable stuff in my SD card and update my switch to the latest version, Can I play online games in a catdrige without getting banned ?
     
  11. hallo23

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    Would it make sense to add the question "Did you update your controller firmware?"
    For example let's you're on fw 4.1.0, you make a Nand backup, now you update with ChoiDujour to 6.2
    Now the switch will ask you if you want to update controller. You do that since the controller fw doesn't really matter(?) from what I heard.

    But if you later on restore your Nand to 4.1.0 your contoller fw will not match with your console fw anymore.
    Since your controllers will have a fw that could not be there with the fw 4.1.0

    Just my thoughts.
     
  12. pLaYeR^^

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    Still works.
     
  13. Draxzelex

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    There is no evidence Nintendo scans the SD card so removing everything off the SD card would amount to a waste of time. If you don't have a clean NAND backup, you cannot go online without risking a ban simultaneously.
     
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    recently bought SXOS and restored nand for SysNAND/EmuNAND. So i think i give another Update

    Can you use the eShop on the Switch? Y
    If you cannot access the eShop, when was the last time/date you were able to? /

    Did you restore a clean hack-free NAND before going online? Y

    Do you get the error code 2181-4008 trying to update your games? N
    Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? N
    Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Y
    SX OS used? Y
    Did you make an SX OS EmuNAND with a clean hack-free NAND then stay offline with it? Y
    Trimmed .XCI? Y
    Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? N
    Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? N
    Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? N
    Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? 2.5.3
    What do you use Non-SX OS LayeredFS for? Backups and Modding
    Did you connect to the Internet with a non-SX OS LayeredFS Inject? N
    Played online w/ Non-SX OS Layered FS Injects? N
    Did you inject an .XCI certificate using LayeredFS to play online? N
    Used DevMenu? Y
    Installed any .NSP? Y
    Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? N (im using 90dns)
    Did you play any .NSP installed online? N
    Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? N
    Did you update your .XCI/.NSP games online? N
    Did you ever use ReiNX? Y
    Homebrew/non-SX CFW Used? Y (Tinfoil, Chodjnx, SX Installer, Homebrew Browser, no crashes.)
    Connect to Internet with homebrew/non-SX OS CFW? N
    Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? N
    AutoRCM? Hekate
    Did you update your firmware using ChoiDujour or ChoiDujourNX? Y
    Did you install the exFAT update offline? Y
    receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? Y
    Do you have eclct disabled (look for pm.kip under sysmodules/modules)? Y
    Do you have creport enabled (look for a folder named 0100000000000036 under titles)? Y
    What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? Y: 5.1.0
    Wi-Fi settings deleted in CFW? Y
    Console/Account Region(s)
    What device(s) do you use to send payloads with? My PC and my Galaxy S9
    Do you enter RCM by bridging pins 9 & 10 together? No, 1 and 10
    If Banned, provide proof (video preferred) NA
    Additional Comments
    Used ReiNX at Release, Switched to Atmosphere and now on SX OS

    Edit:

    My Console Region is Germany, EU
     
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    The only safe way of avoiding bans is to revert to a "clean" nand backup before going online. If you don't have a NAND backup though, and you want to play online, you might as well remove any illegit NSPs (and possibly related save files), remove your CFW, update to the latest version, and try. The WORST thing that could happen is you getting banned, but if you do get banned, it was inevitable.

    Or you could just stay offline and not get banned. But whether you get banned by Nintendo, or you "ban" yourself by not playing online, either way, you're not playing online. So you might as well try if it's something you care about.
     
  16. ScarletDreamz

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    You can also create a clean nand, with ChoiDuJour for PC, there are some tutorials out there on how to recreate a nand from scratch, without any trace of CFW. C:
     
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    Can you use the eShop on the Switch? N (because im on lower FW)
    If you cannot access the eShop, when was the last time/date you were able to? Somewhere in January 2019 when i still used OFW.
    Did you restore a clean hack-free NAND before going online? N
    SX OS used? N
    Used DevMenu? N
    Installed any .NSP? N
    Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? N
    Did you play any .NSP installed online? N
    Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? N
    Did you update your .XCI/.NSP games online? N
    Did you ever use ReiNX? Y
    Connect to Internet with homebrew/non-SX OS CFW? Y
    Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? N
    AutoRCM? Y
    Did you update your firmware using ChoiDujour or ChoiDujourNX? N
    Did you install the exFAT update offline? N
    receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"?
    Y
    Wi-Fi settings deleted in CFW? N
    Console/Account Region(s) EU
    What device(s) do you use to send payloads with? Atmosphere Jig
    Do you enter RCM by bridging pins 9 & 10 together? Y(?) But only done 4-5x N (AutoRCM was then enabled via hekate)
     
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  18. whostolemywaffle

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    I have one switch that's not patched i got it before the patch for new systems. Its on 7.0.1 and i have a bunch of games i wanna keep playing online but i always wanna hack my switch iv always been on the hacking scene when it first started from 3ds immediately i hacked it did some cheats installed some roms and other games but i hear now that people are getting banned from online and there switch are getting banned. I wanna hack my switch but is there anyway i can prevent from getting a ban or have the lowest risk
     
  19. Viri

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    Buy a second Switch.
     
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    I will look into that but for now im gonna keep looking for more solutions
     
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