Homebrew Nintendo now has a 3DS bug bounty page open

[Deleted User]

See the premise behind buying a system is to legally say I own it. No matter who manufactured the product, if I dropped $80 at a GameStop, I'm entitled to do whatever the fk I want with it, no ifs, ands, or buts. That's why hacking a system is always legal. It becomes illegal when you pirate software

So, say I buy a DVD of a movie. Now do I have the right to distribute and sell the DVD and movie where ever and how ever I want?

 

[Aletron9000]

Incorrect. Purchasing a system means you are purchasing the right to use the system as the manufacturer intended. The EULA covers this, and when you hit "I agree", you are legally obligated to abide by the agreement. You don't own the system, the manufacturer does.

who follows the EULA

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So, say I buy a DVD of a movie. Now do I have the right to distribute and sell the DVD and movie where ever and how ever I want?

you could sell the original copy on ebay, but you can't copy and distribute

 

[Deleted User]

who follows the EULA

It's not the question of who, it's the question of "will they catch me doing this".

Nobody can say "I didn't read the EULA" and that be a good excuse. They put a EULA there because wither or not you follow it they can point to that and say "it says it here, you shouldn't have done that". You can't plead ignorance.

 

[spotanjo3]

No, blackmailing is not the right word.....it isn't even close lmao. They aren't demanding

True then they are compelling us! Yeah, to me compelling sounds a bit like irresistible. Money, money, and money.

 

[Joom]

who follows the EULA

Nobody, but that's not the point. A prosecutor isn't going to care.

 

[Imacaredformy2ds]

Nobody, but that's not the point. A prosecutor isn't going to care.

Why did I imagine Edgeworth screaming just now

 

[gamefan5]

See the premise behind buying a system is to legally say I own it. No matter who manufactured the product, if I dropped $80 at a GameStop, I'm entitled to do whatever the fk I want with it, no ifs, ands, or buts. That's why hacking a system is always legal. It becomes illegal when you pirate software

Spoken like someone that never read the terms and agreements of using the service.

 

[TimX24968B]

Spoken like someone that never read the terms and agreements of using the service.

who does?

 

[Sketchy1]

So, say I buy a DVD of a movie. Now do I have the right to distribute and sell the DVD and movie where ever and how ever I want?

I belive I stated "system". Movie piracy is a federal offence. Like any piracy for that matter

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Spoken like someone that never read the terms and agreements of using the service.

"Unauthorized modifications" only states you get banned from Nintendo services, not playing the console. That's fine. But how many people have been arrested for just having homebrew installed, via oothax or menuhax? And if YOU actually read it, you'd see that part too
Plus, you said the right word, service. Me owning the system isn't a service

 

[gamefan5]

who does?

No one but very few.
And that's exactly the reason why you have no right to say anything about their terms and agreements. Doesn't matter if you did not no, you agreed to a contract when buy their products and use their services. All companies take advantage of this because of our short attention span.

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I belive I stated "system". Movie piracy is a federal offence. Like any piracy for that matter

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"Unauthorized modifications" only states you get banned from Nintendo services, hence why its called an EULA. That's fine. But how many people have been arrested for just having homebrew installed, via oothax or menuhax?

Usually because it also infringes on other patents and/or copyrights of their consoles, is what I am guessing. OoTHax does modify a game that is trademarked, in order to boot unauthorized software.

 

[GerbilSoft]

OoTHax does modify a game that is trademarked, in order to boot unauthorized software.

OoTHax doesn't modify the game; it modifies the save file. And even then, there is case law that covers modifications of copyrighted games for personal use: ]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Galoob_Toys,_Inc._v._Nintendo_of_America,_Inc. Nintendo sued Galoob Toys, distributor of Game Genie in the US, and lost.

(Technical note: Galoob apparently sued Nintendo first as a preventative measure to get a declaration that Game Genie did not infringe on copyrights and to prevent Nintendo from modifying the NES to lock out the Game Genie.)

 

[gamefan5]

OoTHax doesn't modify the game; it modifies the save file. And even then, there is case law that covers modifications of copyrighted games for personal use: ]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Galoob_Toys,_Inc._v._Nintendo_of_America,_Inc. Nintendo sued Galoob Toys, distributor of Game Genie in the US, and lost.

(Technical note: Galoob apparently sued Nintendo first as a preventative measure to get a declaration that Game Genie did not infringe on copyrights and to prevent Nintendo from modifying the NES to lock out the Game Genie.)

Is that applicable to countries other than US as well? Because if not...

 

[GerbilSoft]

Is that applicable to countries other than US as well? Because if not...

No idea, but I'm pretty sure devices like Game Genie and GameShark for Nintendo systems have been sold internationally with no legal action taken against them. Datel is still selling PowerSaves devices, and they're located in the UK, so I'm pretty sure Nintendo would take action against them if they could.

 

[the_randomizer]

Aww, that's cute, Nintendo is trying to think that we care It's a trap, they get a person who shows them the exploit, bans their NNID and prosecutes them in civil court

 

[gamefan5]

No idea, but I'm pretty sure devices like Game Genie and GameShark for Nintendo systems have been sold internationally with no legal action taken against them. Datel is still selling PowerSaves devices, and they're located in the UK, so I'm pretty sure Nintendo would take action against them if they could.

True, true. So it must have been another case if they've been arrested for homebrewing. Idk what though.

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I belive I stated "system". Movie piracy is a federal offence. Like any piracy for that matter

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"Unauthorized modifications" only states you get banned from Nintendo services, not playing the console. That's fine. But how many people have been arrested for just having homebrew installed, via oothax or menuhax? And if YOU actually read it, you'd see that part too
Plus, you said the right word, service. Me owning the system isn't a service

Congratulations then, you must be the first person I know that has never used the online compartment of the system at all. But I digress.
Whatever words I used is not the point. The point is, you do not legally own the system despite what you think. And you cannot plead ignorance about it

 

[jDSX]

This is the most dumb thing Ive seen all day

 

[Raylight]

Aww, that's cute, Nintendo is trying to think that we care It's a trap, they get a person who shows them the exploit, bans their NNID and prosecutes them in civil court

im thinking the same thing

 

[Giodude]

Sorry, let me elaborate. Sysnand has a9lh installed, used to boot an emunand. Since an emunand is an entirely seperate nand partition, it doesn't have a9lh installed.

 

[the_randomizer]

im thinking the same thing

To quote Dr. Evil:

"How about no??"

 

[linkinworm]

Likely they want information on how these exploits are found / actually exploited and implemented for future consoles so they can design it to combat this straight into newer hardware. While they usually do a "good" job blocking exploits in update its a cat and mouse game, getting it in there from the get go is a much better idea. but really lesson one would probably be dont use browsers with know exploits with public info on how to exploit this, same with sony using outdated crap