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i'm going to participate in the international challenge, my team is forretress(maily for entry hazards and layers) heatran (tank with lava plume, roar, rest and sleep talk) flygon (main sweeper and scarfer, also has dragon tail because of his speed to abuse layer damage) rotom water form (tricker-sweeper) vaporeon (protecting wisher annoyer) jirachi (toxic substitute, fire punch and iron head annoying sweeper)
i need help replacing jirachi and making my team better, i'm trying to replace jirachi with agility metagross that has toxic and substitute and meteor mash/ iron head but he won't be a good annoyer simply because he is mainly a sweeper, i'm screwed and i really need help
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IIRC, Jirachi isn't allowed in the international Challenge. Also, entry hazards don;t work very well in VGC format because there isn't very much switching. Neither do Choice-locked Pokemon, because if Flygon is your last Pokemon left, and all of their Pokemon resist its attacks, he's dead weight. Heatran looks pretty good, but Heat Wave>Lava plume because you have to Protect will most of your other Pokemon to avoid the damage. (excluding Rotom-W and Vaporeon) Also, many of your Pokemon lack protect. Protectis a staple move in VGC because many strategies revolve around Tailwind, Fake Out, of Trick Room. With Protect, you can stall out Tailwind or Trick Room, and protect yourself from flinching via Fake Out. i recommend also using a weather like Rain, Sand, etc. Or, you could use a strategy like Tailwind/Trick Room. Some good examples of weather starters are Politoed, Tyranitar and Abomasnow. I would read this site for more on the VGC metagame, because they're a site focused on competitive Pokemon, and could help you much more than me.
http://smogon.com (go to their forums and then to the VGC section.)
 

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Wouldn't Mirror Coat be a better move simply because it's like Protect except the attacker gets double damage from what attack it used?

i'm going to participate in the international challenge, my team is forretress(maily for entry hazards and layers) heatran (tank with lava plume, roar, rest and sleep talk) flygon (main sweeper and scarfer, also has dragon tail because of his speed to abuse layer damage) rotom water form (tricker-sweeper) vaporeon (protecting wisher annoyer) jirachi (toxic substitute, fire punch and iron head annoying sweeper)
i need help replacing jirachi and making my team better, i'm trying to replace jirachi with agility metagross that has toxic and substitute and meteor mash/ iron head but he won't be a good annoyer simply because he is mainly a sweeper, i'm screwed and i really need help
thanks everyone.
Hmm.... If you can use Ditto, you could just use the opponent's strategies against them. Another option is a Pokemon that can learn Assist,
 

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ok so i now have 3 teams exept that one, i guess the 1st one won't be good for dual battles so i'll show you the other teams:
(dunni why this text got green)
team 1
Jellicent (M) @​
Mental Herb
Trait: Water Absorb​
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 96 SAtk / 40 SDef​
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)​
- Water Spout​
- Trick Room​
- Shadow Ball​
- Recover/ Scald / Psychic​

nidoqueen (F) @ Life Orb​
Trait: Sheer Force​
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk​
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)​
- Ice Beam​
- Thunderbolt​
- Flamethrower​
- Earth Power​

scrafty (M) @ Chople Berry​
Trait: Moxie​
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Def​
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)​
- Bulk Up​
- Drain Punch​
- Crunch​
- Fake Out​

Eelektross (M) @ Flight Gem​
Trait: Levitate​
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SAtk​
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)​
- Acrobatics​
- Wild Charge​
- Flamethrower​
- Rock Slide​

Scizor (M) @ Steel Gem​
Trait: Technician​
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk​
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)​
- Aerial Ace​
- Bug Bite​
- Bullet Punch​
- Swords Dance​

Rhyperior @ Lum Berry/White Herb/Ground Gem/Rock Gem​
Ability: Solid Rock​
Nature: Brave​
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 SpDef​
- Drill Run/Hammer Arm​
- Rock Slide​
- Megahorn​
- Protect​

team 2(UU)​
Darmanitan (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Flare Blitz
- Earthquake
- Superpower
- U-turn

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 Def /

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
- Head Smash / Stone Edge


Froslass (F) @ shell bell
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 232 HP / 100 Def / 176 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Taunt
- Pain Split
- Spikes
- Ice Beam

Roserade (M) @ (that poison item that continuously gives you hp, black sludge i think) Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 40 HP / 252 SAtk / 216 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Sludge Bomb
- Leaf Storm
- Sleep Powder
- Rest

Rhyperior (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Solid Rock
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rock Blast
- Megahorn

Zapdos @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Heat Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Roost

team 3 (sandstorm, a little tweaked from a smogon team)

Tyranitar @ Chople Berry
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 SDef
IVs: 0 Spd
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Protect

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
IVs: 0 Spd
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Crunch
- Protect

Zapdos @ Charti Berry
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Discharge
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice/grass]
- Detect

Excadrill @ Focus Sash
Trait: Sand Rush
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- X-Scissor
- Protect

Landorus @ Yache Berry
Trait: Sand Force
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Brick Break
- Protect

Latios @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 4 Def / 248 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Protect
yes i totally suck at making dual battle teams so any reccomendations on making them duo friendly?
 

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Wouldn't Mirror Coat be a better move simply because it's like Protect except the attacker gets double damage from what attack it used?
Mirror Coat still makes the user take damage, and only works against special attacks.


at least what team is the best for international challenge?
team 3 looks the best, although Protect>Swords Dance on Scizor, and maybe try Dragon Gem with Draco Meteor>Dragon Pulse on Latios.
 

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Wouldn't Mirror Coat be a better move simply because it's like Protect except the attacker gets double damage from what attack it used?
Mirror Coat still makes the user take damage, and only works against special attacks.


at least what team is the best for international challenge?
team 3 looks the best, although Protect>Swords Dance on Scizor, and maybe try Dragon Gem with Draco Meteor>Dragon Pulse on Latios.
did all you recommended
team 1 and 2 seem more performant than 3 on random matchup, with 3 i lost once because of a staller, do i need to make a new team or choose one of these, i'm running out of time so please help me...
 

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after lots of random matchups i still don't really know which one to choose, i had many difficulties with sandstorm team in some battles but i could one(screw garchomp) in all of them exept for one nonetheless, team 2 is not really predicatable as it won most times with easy but got pwnd in a match i still can't say alot about team 1 though, i still need some advice picking a team.
 

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would these teams do?
team 4
Trait: Drizzle​
EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpD​
Bold Nature​
- Protect​
- Scald​
- Hypnosis​
- Ice Beam​

Trait: Swift Swim​
EVs: 252 SpA / 172 Atk / 86 Hp​
Naive Nature​
- Draco Meteor​
- Protect​
- Outrage​
- Surf​


Trait: Dry Skin​
EVs: 252 Sped / 252 Atk / 4 Hp​
Admant Nature​
- Fake Out​
- Drain Punch​
- Protect​
- Poison Jab​

Trait: Prankster​
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Hp​
Timid Nature​
- Thunder​
- Taunt​
- Hidden Power [Ice]​
- Thunder Wave​

Trait : Harvest​
EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 Sped​
Bold Nature​
- Protect​
- Leech Seed​
- Psychic​
- Giga Drain​
salamnece not fully done (recommendations?)
Trait: Intimidate​
EVs: 252 Sped / 252Atk / 4 Hp​
Admant Nature​
- Fire Fang​
- Dragon Claw​
- ?​
- ?​



team 5:​

Espeon @ Lum Berry​
Nature: Timid​
EVs: 252 Sp. Atk/252 Spd./4 HP​
Ability: Magic Bounce​
Moves:​

Hidden Power (Ice)
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Calm Mind

Hydreigon @ Choice Scarf​
Nature: Timid​
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk/252 Spd./4 HP​
Moves:​
Draco Meteor
Dragon Pulse
Fire Blast
Dark Pulse

Eelektross @ Expert Belt​
Nature: Modest​
EVs: 252 HP/252 Sp. Atk/4 Def​
Moves:​
Thunderbolt
Grass Knot
Hidden Power Ice
Flamethrower

Metagross @ Air Balloon​
Nature: Brave​
EVs: 252 Atk/248 HP/4 Spd./4 Sp. Def​
Moves:​
Meteor Mash
Zen Headbutt
Earthquake(EQ)
Bullet Punch
Cloyster @ Focus Sash​
Nature: Adamant​
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd./4 HP.​
Ability: Skill Link​
Moves:​
Shell Smash
Icicle Spear
Rock Blast
Ice Shard
Hitmontop @ Fighting Gem​
Nature: Adamant​
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Sp. Def​
Ability: Technician​
Moves:​
Fake Out
Feint
Wide Guard
Low Sweep
 

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