Hacking Is this "jailbreak service" legit?

[bennyman123abc]

You can install custom apps, themes, free games, over-clock the CPU, Gen Pokemon, and much more!

That makes NO sense...

 

[urherenow]

jail·break
ˈjālˌbrāk/
noun
noun: jailbreak; plural noun: jailbreaks; noun: gaolbreak; plural noun: gaolbreaks; noun: jail-break; plural noun: jail-breaks

1. 1.
   an escape from jail.

verb
Computing
verb: jailbreak; 3rd person present: jailbreaks; past tense: jailbroke; gerund or present participle: jailbreaking; past participle: jailbroken; verb: jail-break; 3rd person present: jail-breaks; past tense: jail-broke; gerund or present participle: jail-breaking; past participle: jail-broken
1.
modify (a smartphone or other electronic device) to remove restrictions imposed by the manufacturer or operator, e.g. to allow the installation of unauthorized software.

EDIT: @dubbz82 you don't seem to grasp the concept of being Jailed. The 3DS family doesn't allow unsigned code to run. Period. This is just like jail. Android devices, however, allow unsigned code to run, but the code has restrictions on what it can access. This is SANDBOXING. Sandboxing is what 3DS doesn't have, because there was never a need for sandboxing in a device that is never supposed to allow unauthorized code in the first place. Forget about limitations of HBL with a userland-only exploit, because that was done on purpose, and not by Nintendo. Breaking out of the sandbox on an Android device is called rooting, because it uses a *nix-like file/security system and the super user is called root on those systems.

 

[dubbz82]

jail·break
ˈjālˌbrāk/
noun
noun: jailbreak; plural noun: jailbreaks; noun: gaolbreak; plural noun: gaolbreaks; noun: jail-break; plural noun: jail-breaks

1. 1.
   an escape from jail.

verb
Computing
verb: jailbreak; 3rd person present: jailbreaks; past tense: jailbroke; gerund or present participle: jailbreaking; past participle: jailbroken; verb: jail-break; 3rd person present: jail-breaks; past tense: jail-broke; gerund or present participle: jail-breaking; past participle: jail-broken
1.
modify (a smartphone or other electronic device) to remove restrictions imposed by the manufacturer or operator, e.g. to allow the installation of unauthorized software.

EDIT: @dubbz82 you don't seem to grasp the concept of being Jailed. The 3DS family doesn't allow unsigned code to run. Period. This is just like jail. Android devices, however, allow unsigned code to run, but the code has restrictions on what it can access. This is SANDBOXING. Sandboxing is what 3DS doesn't have, because there was never a need for sandboxing in a device that is never supposed to allow unauthorized code in the first place. Forget about limitations of HBL with a userland-only exploit, because that was done on purpose, and not by Nintendo. Breaking out of the sandbox on an Android device is called rooting, because it uses a *nix-like file/security system and the super user is called root on those systems.

Believe whatever you will, I guess. I'll take my several decades of Unix knowledge and just walk away from this argument, because quite frankly, it's not worth arguing over.

 

[PullSelfie]

Everyone arguing over whether it's jailbreaking or not, DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I really hate it when someone asks for help, and somehow, the thought of helping that person turns into arguing over something else entirely. Take it to another thread, pms, whatever. Just not here.

 

[Joom]

As in, locked in a jail cell.

Analogies aren't literal. You're failing to realize that a "jail" is a literal thing in this sense. I continue to explain this for whatever reason, but when one "jailbreaks" a device they are literally breaking out of the jail. A jail is essentially a sandbox, which runs a defined set of privileges that the host OS defines. To break out of one one must find an exploit in some sort of software running inside of the jail that has more access than it should. Somebody has already explained this, and the Wikipedia article on jails has been posted twice, but for whatever reason this isn't sinking in. Hacking a 3DS is not the equivalent of jailbreaking, even if the end goal is running code not meant to be ran on the device. 3DS hacking doesn't involve breaking out of a jail or a sandbox in general, therefore it's not the same as jailbreaking. This is why it's incorrect to refer to it as such, and why it's bad to use "jailbreak" as an umbrella term for any sort of security circumvention. Nuance is very necessary when it comes to this.

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Everyone arguing over whether it's jailbreaking or not, DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I really hate it when someone asks for help, and somehow, the thought of helping that person turns into arguing over something else entirely. Take it to another thread, pms, whatever. Just not here.

You were helped. What's the problem?

 

[Drakia]

Everyone arguing over whether it's jailbreaking or not, DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I really hate it when someone asks for help, and somehow, the thought of helping that person turns into arguing over something else entirely. Take it to another thread, pms, whatever. Just not here.

You're looking at a site that will charge you more than a second 3DS/2DS just to mod your console using free and openly available exploits.

You want help? Don't do it. Go buy a 3DS/2DS instead, use it to mod yours, then sell it to make back whatever you paid for it.

 

[RustInPeace]

I'm seeing "Jailbreak" a lot lately and now have the Thin Lizzy song stuck in my head, which is not a bad thing at all.



Apparently NTRBoothax is coming very soon, so, get yourself an Acekard 2i or whatever and give Pokedit the finger.

 

[lone_wolf323]

I'm seeing "Jailbreak" a lot lately and now have the Thin Lizzy song stuck in my head, which is not a bad thing at all.



Apparently NTRBoothax is coming very soon, so, get yourself an Acekard 2i or whatever and give Pokedit the finger.

Pokedit should be given the finger alot sooner than this with how badly they ripping people off.

 

[RustInPeace]

Pokedit should be given the finger alot sooner than this with how badly they ripping people off.

Quite honestly seeing them mentioned here reminded me they still exist, because I figure with the last 2 years of 3DS hacking advancements, that they'd be rendered obsolete.

 

[Joom]

Apparently NTRBoothax is coming very soon, so, get yourself an Acekard 2i or whatever and give Pokedit the finger.

Off topic, but I'm glad that people laughed at me when I bought an AK2i the moment Normatt and SciresM made the initial announcement on IRC. Now that prices amongst retailers have skyrocketed I feel a sense of well deserved smugness.

 

[urherenow]

Analogies aren't literal. You're failing to realize that a "jail" is a literal thing in this sense.

You're failing to realize that not everything is FreeBSD, and it doesn't own a copyright or trademark to "jailbreak". 3DS is as compartmentalized as anything else. Initial hacks into the system involved pivoting stacks and overwriting across bounds, indeed breaking out of one of the boxes. Go ahead and study the a9lh slides again. What 3DS hacks DON'T involve, is escalation of privileges (and there aren't different user spaces, even though there are different process spaces). So it's definitely not rooting, you say it's not jailbreaking, so what do you call it? Hacking is too general of a term. I was hacking C64 games in the 80s. Not the same thing. Methinks you need to break out of that box you seem to put the term "jailbreak" into.

The definition I posted above fits EXACTLY what we're doing to the 3DS. Like it or not, the term Jailbreak has been stolen.

 

[The Catboy]

I don't understand the point of arguing over the term used (although I will agree that "jailbreaking" isn't the proper term.) We should all just agree on one thing, the dude is ripping people off and we should be discouraging this kind of service. Not only are they using free and open source software for profit, but they are robbing you of the experience. If you don't know what you are doing and use a service like this, then you will continue to not know what you are doing. This is something that needs to be discouraged because we do see the effects of these services happening on the forums. People updating and freaking out because they haven't updated their CFW in forever. People getting scared and trying to remove their hacks because they don't know what they are doing. These services are harmful to the enduser because you can't buy knowledge. It worries me more knowing that we most likely only help a fraction of userbase this person has created.

 

[BigEyesLuigi]

You can do homebrew for free...

(If they are gonna charge you, at least be cheaper!)

 

[Joom]

You're failing to realize that not everything is FreeBSD, and it doesn't own a copyright or trademark to "jailbreak".

"Jails" exist outside of the FreeBSD ecosystem. They're not totally tied to it. Linux has a similar environment known as "chroot" (note that a chroot environment isn't as secure, but is the same concept). Regardless, this is just you wanting a term to mean something when it doesn't.

3DS is as compartmentalized as anything else. Initial hacks into the system involved pivoting stacks and overwriting across bounds, indeed breaking out of one of the boxes.

And yet, it's still not jailbreaking.

Go ahead and study the a9lh slides again. What 3DS hacks DON'T involve, is escalation of privileges (and there aren't different user spaces, even though there are different process spaces).

Lolwut? What do you think svchax and all the other privilege escalation exploits were that allowed title downgrading and legit CIA installation?

So it's definitely not rooting, you say it's not jailbreaking, so what do you call it? Hacking is too general of a term. I was hacking C64 games in the 80s. Not the same thing. Methinks you need to break out of that box you seem to put the term "jailbreak" into.

Again, you're wanting more to be attributed to a word than what it actually means. "Hacking" is another one of those umbrella terms that actually fits the 3DS perfectly since neither "jailbreaking" nor "rooting" is accurate, and "privilege escalation to attain ARM9 arbitrary code execution" doesn't particularly roll off the tongue.

Like it or not, the term Jailbreak has been stolen.

By who? Every security researcher ever knows what jailbreaking is. You can't just change the meaning of a word because you want to to fit your set of beliefs. Oh wait, I just had an epiphany. You're totally right, and from here on out I'll refer to the 3DS as "pumpkins". Cause you see, the 3DS has a parallax display that gives us the perceived illusion of a 3D image, and pumpkins exist within the third dimension which we all know is an illusion because we're too inferior to perceive a higher dimension, so that means pumpkins and the 3DS are the same thing.

 

[GhostLatte]

>1980s - I bet in 2017 they'll have flying cars and shoes that tie themselves!
>2017 - Petty arguing on an Internet forum regarding the proper term for the 3DS being modded.

 

[Joom]

>1980s - I bet in 2017 they'll have flying cars and shoes that tie themselves!
>2017 - Petty arguing on an Internet forum regarding the proper term for the 3DS being modded.

Hey man, it wouldn't happen if people would just go "huh, I never knew that".

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jail·break
ˈjālˌbrāk/
noun
noun: jailbreak; plural noun: jailbreaks; noun: gaolbreak; plural noun: gaolbreaks; noun: jail-break; plural noun: jail-breaks

1. 1.
   an escape from jail.

verb
Computing
verb: jailbreak; 3rd person present: jailbreaks; past tense: jailbroke; gerund or present participle: jailbreaking; past participle: jailbroken; verb: jail-break; 3rd person present: jail-breaks; past tense: jail-broke; gerund or present participle: jail-breaking; past participle: jail-broken
1.
modify (a smartphone or other electronic device) to remove restrictions imposed by the manufacturer or operator, e.g. to allow the installation of unauthorized software.

EDIT: @dubbz82 you don't seem to grasp the concept of being Jailed. The 3DS family doesn't allow unsigned code to run. Period. This is just like jail. Android devices, however, allow unsigned code to run, but the code has restrictions on what it can access. This is SANDBOXING. Sandboxing is what 3DS doesn't have, because there was never a need for sandboxing in a device that is never supposed to allow unauthorized code in the first place. Forget about limitations of HBL with a userland-only exploit, because that was done on purpose, and not by Nintendo. Breaking out of the sandbox on an Android device is called rooting, because it uses a *nix-like file/security system and the super user is called root on those systems.

Except jails run unsigned and custom code without issue all the time. The purpose of a jail isn't to prevent this code from being ran, but rather to prevent a user from gaining restricted access to the rest of the system. Jails typically allow one to run any code they want and contains it within the jail. Also, rooting Android is nothing like breaking out of a sandbox. A jail and a sandbox are one in the same; they run within the host OS independent of the host. Dalvik itself is an example of a sandbox, but it doesn't separate root access from the user. This is done by the kernel and SELINUX (and other bullshit that OEMs include).

 

[urherenow]

The purpose of a jail isn't to prevent this code from being ran, but rather to prevent a user from gaining restricted access to the rest of the system.

Isn't that what you just said svchax does?

anyway, the amusement is gone. Thanks for playing. Time to play around with NTRBOOT! Plenty of fully updated 3DSes on my ship that need hax

EDIT2: Oh, and there's the final answer for OP. Screw the paid service. NTRBOOT should now be the easiest way to get'er done, hands down! 3ds.guide is everybody's friend again.

 

[Joom]

Isn't that what you just said svchax does?

...no? Again, nuance.

 

[WeedZ]

I used to do mods for like 20 bucks or a joint or something back in the day. 130 dollars, fuck that shit. Anyone that would pay someone that much money to do a simple mod doesn't need the thing. They need to stick to a stock system, preferably somewhere with parental supervision.

 

[Joom]

I used to do mods for like 20 bucks or a joint or something back in the day. 130 dollars, fuck that shit. Anyone that would pay someone that much money to do a simple mod doesn't need the thing. They need to stick to a stock system, preferably somewhere with parental supervision.

This. I used to hack PSPs during my freshman year of high school. It was $20 for custom firmware, and an extra $2 for every ISO/CSO a person wanted. I lived in a very rural area at the time, and was a part of one of two households in the entire area that was lucky enough to be part of AT&T's rural DSL tests with a whopping 128 kb/s download rate. So yeah, it was kinda scummy of me to sell pirated games, but DSL was a spectacle to behold whilst living in such an area (this was 2007 and people were still subscribing to AOL) and kids were more than eager to pay a couple bucks for $60 games.