A morally more correct and way better option is to SELL (and of course buy) the same game over and over again on every newly released Nintendo console.
Hacking Emulation Gaming Is it morally correct to pirate games that cannot be obtained officially from the company that made/published them?
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A morally more correct and way better option is to SELL (and of course buy) the same game over and over again on every newly released Nintendo console.
+15 social credit with Nintendo.A morally more correct and way better option is to SELL (and of course buy) the same game over and over again on every newly released Nintendo console.
Of course it is. And it seems a lot of people confuse legality and morality, which are completely differents things.
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We should be allowed to get games through other means from companies that don't want to have a catalogue of their olde products. Nuff said. And we should have emulators that have their own programming to translate their older software to play said older games.
There was some research published last year showing that 87% of games made before 2010 are unavailable to purchase anywhere. In terms of preservation, I see no issues with this. If they don't want our money, then who cares?
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/14/...reservation-video-game-history-foundation-esa
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/14/...reservation-video-game-history-foundation-esa
Sonic CD specifically has a lot of weird debug screens left in by the devs. It's not too likely that these were made for anti-piracy due to the relatively energetic nature of the JP boss theme compared to the US one. Although the sega CD could run any burned disk, no one had a DVD burner until a couple years went by, technology progressed, and by then, no one even cared for the CD
Which is also an issue if you have a legit copy of the game.
Definitely remember being unable to play past a certain level despite having a legitimate copy of the game inserted in my DVD drive.
How come I can buy a movie from the 1920s or a peice of music from a similar era in modern format but I can't buy a game from the 1980s for instance!
Why is there no universal legacy market for games of bygone eras? Probably most are gone and the 'vc' approach is all we got??
More should be done about that from all parties because the game scene is suffering at the moment, this obviously in turn will affect the quality of games moving forward so rather than waste time and money into future projects (not stopping ofcourse) but take some time to give the game market what it deserves and possibly get some re inspiration from revisiting old dreams and possibly lost titles that could even become a better game in reality today. Just a thought, as the old saying goes... Make it legal, the fun and thrill of obtaining 'illegally' disappears. Current gen piracy would be another story tho!
Why is there no universal legacy market for games of bygone eras? Probably most are gone and the 'vc' approach is all we got??
More should be done about that from all parties because the game scene is suffering at the moment, this obviously in turn will affect the quality of games moving forward so rather than waste time and money into future projects (not stopping ofcourse) but take some time to give the game market what it deserves and possibly get some re inspiration from revisiting old dreams and possibly lost titles that could even become a better game in reality today. Just a thought, as the old saying goes... Make it legal, the fun and thrill of obtaining 'illegally' disappears. Current gen piracy would be another story tho!
I've had the same thought. If these corporations would open their mind to emulation a bit, they could make a killing by selling ROMs, for example. Nintendo specifically already targets ROM sharing sites, but does nothing to fill the void it creates. Emulation is mainstream enough that a ROM-selling or rental (ew) service would probably do extremely well. Maybe not targeting things like the Switch, of course, but for the retro libraries.
SEGA has kind of done this in a few ways over the years, including via game collections that are user-exposed ROM files and an emulator+frontend (see: SEGA Mega Drive and Genesis Classics, for example).
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The Sonic Mega Collection for example has all of the ROMs encrypted.
I went with not moral, but it's really 'mostly no'.
That is: if you buy it, I see it as morally acceptable if you pirate it for other platforms or emulate it. I don't think it's fair to expect companies/developers to port their games to every platform or maintain it forever. If you buy it, it's yours (imho).
Piracy isn't stealing to me since it's making copies. But even so: the moral right thing to do is meet what the devs want, providing it's reasonable. If they sell it for platform X, buy it for X (even if you play it on Y). If they choose not to sell it anymore and don't label it abandonware, that's also a choice. We have to be reason able as well: do we REALLY want this game, or are we looking to get something for free?
A few caveats:
1. I'm taking morally here, not legal
2.abandonware is a huge Grey area since it often has to be agreed on by everyone, and studio's might not be around for that.
3.yes, I pirate. I have my reasons, but pretending it's a morally correct thing isn't among those reasons
4. Lots of yes votes, but... Sorry, but there's remarkably poor reasoning in the replies.
That is: if you buy it, I see it as morally acceptable if you pirate it for other platforms or emulate it. I don't think it's fair to expect companies/developers to port their games to every platform or maintain it forever. If you buy it, it's yours (imho).
Piracy isn't stealing to me since it's making copies. But even so: the moral right thing to do is meet what the devs want, providing it's reasonable. If they sell it for platform X, buy it for X (even if you play it on Y). If they choose not to sell it anymore and don't label it abandonware, that's also a choice. We have to be reason able as well: do we REALLY want this game, or are we looking to get something for free?
A few caveats:
1. I'm taking morally here, not legal
2.abandonware is a huge Grey area since it often has to be agreed on by everyone, and studio's might not be around for that.
3.yes, I pirate. I have my reasons, but pretending it's a morally correct thing isn't among those reasons
4. Lots of yes votes, but... Sorry, but there's remarkably poor reasoning in the replies.
Several people, including me, already have in this thread.
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TwoSpikedHands:
yall im torn... ive been hacking away at tales of phantasia GBA (the USA version) and have so many documents of reverse engineering i've done -
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I just found out that the EU version is better in literally every way, better sound quality, better lighting, and there's even a patch someone made to make the text look nicer
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TwoSpikedHands:
Do I restart now using what i've learned on the EU version since it's a better overall experience? or do I continue with the US version since that is what ive been using, and if someone decides to play my hack, it would most likely be that version?
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Sicklyboy:
@TwoSpikedHands, I'll preface this with the fact that I know nothing about the game, but, I think it depends on what your goals are. Are you trying to make a definitive version of the game? You may want to refocus your efforts on the EU version then. Or, are you trying to make a better US version? In which case, the only way to make a better US version is to keep on plugging away at that one -
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Sicklyboy:
I'm not familiar with the technicalities of the differences between the two versions, but I'm wondering if at least some of those differences are things that you could port over to the US version in your patch without having to include copyrighted assets from the EU version
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TwoSpikedHands:
@Sicklyboy I am wanting to fully change the game and bend it to my will lol. I would like to eventually have the ability to add more characters, enemies, even have a completely different story if i wanted. I already have the ability to change the tilemaps in the US version, so I can basically make my own map and warp to it in game - so I'm pretty far into it!
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TwoSpikedHands:
I really would like to make a hack that I would enjoy playing, and maybe other people would too. swapping to the EU version would also mean my US friends could not legally play it
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TwoSpikedHands:
I am definitely considering porting over some of the EU features without using the actual ROM itself, tbh that would probably be the best way to go about it... but i'm sad that the voice acting is so.... not good on the US version. May not be a way around that though
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