If Microsoft blocks Linux in Windows 8 Machines what's the point?

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  1. philip11
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    what I'm saying is if you already bought Microsoft's latest and Greatest (so they claim) OS why block Linux if there aren't losing any money by you installing Linux?
     
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    are they blocking linux, can they physically do that, the grub bootloader comes before the windows boot loader so I don't think they can actually physically do it unless its something thats implemented in the bios, but with all the different bios's i don't think thats entirelly possible without causing headaches for alot of people whose bios's aren't officially supported
     
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    I think it is only on tablet that other operating systems are blocked.
     
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    I didn't know they were blocking Linux. I am pretty sure there will be a lawsuit if they do something that stupid.
     
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    LOL

    Windows 8 the best OS.

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    The only way they can block out other OSses is to implement a bootloader in the BIOS.
    And given the fact that consoles are also locked out from Linux, it wouldn't take long before those "closed PC's" are hacked and are running Linux.
     
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    Well, they are doing something like getting rid of the BIOS and adding UEFI where reading Here http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-tries-to-block-linux-off-windows-8-pcs/9572 it seems the OS take's over the UEFI and can block certain OS or any OS but itself.

    and @purplesludge
    no on Android Tablets Linux is allowed


    @The Catboy
    they mentioned in the march issue of Linux User and Devoloper that they were blocking Linux or attempting to.
    and I agree there WILL be a Lawsuit if Microsoft doesn't throw the idea away.
     
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    NOT HERE. Keep it where it belongs.
     
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    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/linux-wont-be-locked-out-of-windows-8-pcs-but-fud-continues/4343
     
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    they aren't blocking linux, they're locking the bootloader (legal, but pisses people off) which prevents installing custom os's LIKE linux. and you can install linux on android tablets cuz most have unlockable bootloaders
     
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    So no more dual booting? Well damn that sucks
     
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    yeah but only on "windows 8 certified tablets" get an android tablet if you wanna dual boot. but yes, it dumb
     
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    Noted. I never really caught on with the Metro interface. It just seems so cluttered and clunky.
     
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    Stop the FUD right now

    That thing is way above your technical level of comprehension and reading that makes my eyes bleed.

    FALSE
    BIOS (Basic Input and Output Software) is a piece of software on the mobo that allow your comp to boot and the software to communicate with the hardware.
    the bios is a defined standard that was used for over 2 decades (which is extremely long in the world of computer), as newer technologies were introduced, the bios software was "patched", however hardware manufacturer felt that the bios was cluttered and inefficient for recent computer (short and easy story for non tech) and introduced a new standart called UEFI and was first being pushed by Intel around 2007-8 (it's 5 year old tech, come on already).

    more info on bios and the switch to uefi (hp advert): http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Feature-Articles/The-30-year-long-Reign-of-BIOS-is-Over-Why-UEFI-Will-Rock-Your/ba-p/198

    FALSE for X86, some question unanswered for ARM
    Secure Boot is a feature that stops unsigned code from running during boot, it's a uefi option, not an OS one.
    for x86: it remains the choice of the manufacturer to allow the user to disable the option in the uefi config menu.
    for arm: to get win8 certification, secure boot disable option must not be present in the uefi menu.
    however because program needs to be signed in order to run, a license leasing program will be created.
    meaning that if a Linux distro can get a license it will be able to boot from a win8 certified arm comp.
    loop hole: manufacturer can always sell arm comp that aren't win8 certified by allowing secure boot to be disabled and the end user can choose to install win8 themselves.
    Also, it's up to the hardware manufacturer to includes key in the uefi, the OS can't choose which key goes there and which one doesn't. It's highly possible that the first gen arm comp will ship with an android key too. As time passes, a common repository of key will probably be created or a way to inject key in the uefi will probably be found.
     
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    Oh, Well, I'm sorry if I had known it would make your eyes bleed I would have talked even more.

    EDIT: And, I know what BIOS stands for
     
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    And where might that be?
     

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