Hacking Gateway update regarding rumors

[Rob Blou]

Selling other people's work isn't acceptable either. What else are they going to do, put up a message telling them to buy a Gateway? Who would actually do that? They would go straight to the team and ask for it to be removed.

The fact that these other teams didn't even check through the launcher for this supposed brick code is just lazy on their part. Maybe they'll learn to make their own work now knowing they caused all this being lazy.

guys! we know that stealing GW hard work isn't acceptable, the point here is that the users are paying for it and not the clone companies .... I could have bought a R4i without knowing that it's a clone and get my 3ds bricked ... R4i doesn't care about my 3ds, I already paid for their cart ... or worst I could have used the region free launcher to stay legit and buy other region's games

 

[redkeyboard]

Selling other people's work isn't acceptable either. What else are they going to do, put up a message telling them to buy a Gateway? Who would actually do that? They would go straight to the team and ask for it to be removed.

The fact that these other teams didn't even check through the launcher for this supposed brick code is just lazy on their part. Maybe they'll learn to make their own work now knowing they caused all this being lazy.

Well one thing they could do is corrupt saves. That'll get me pretty pissed if that happens, but at least it's not ruining my 3DS. That's a lot less extreme that what they're doing now.

Honestly I think they're doing this because they know the R4i team can copy all their features, even multirom. They probably spread the rumors about the r4i not being updateable, but know it's not true so are resorting to shitty tactics like bricking. All a guess though.

 

[inuyasha555]

Then they should attack the cloners, not the consumers. It doesn't exactly make Gateway customers feel very secure knowing that they've installed what essentially is a virus, regardless of whether or not it is "safe" for them to continue using. Quit making excuses, you know it's wrong.

No I don't think it's wrong. Don't sit here telling me what I know.

Well one thing they could do is corrupt saves. That'll get me pretty pissed if that happens, but at least it's not ruining my 3DS. That's a lot less extreme that what they're doing now.

Honestly I think they're doing this because they know the R4i team can copy all their features, even multirom. They probably spread the rumors about the r4i not being updateable, but know it's not true so are resorting to shitty tactics like bricking. All a guess though.

A corrupt save issue would just be reported and fixed by the cloners... maybe. There's not much you can do without resorting to drastic measures.

Fair enough, if you don't know it's wrong then I will sit here and tell you what you are.

An idiot.

Thanks. Now go tell someone who cares.

 

[Nismax]

No I don't think it's wrong. Don't sit here telling me what I know.

Fair enough, if you don't know it's wrong then I will sit here and tell you what you are.

An idiot.

 

[kyogre123]

The thing is, anyone that knows Normmatt from the past knows that he is a very capable programmer, having worked on the Acekard 2 interface known as the Acekard All in One, or AKAIO. I don't think he did this out of the worst of intentions.

Even if he didn't have a bad intention, he released this launcher without warning about the brick code. Maybe if he took the time to learn how the region free patch work and implement it in a brand new code, this wouldn't happen, but he went to the easy way as the cloners and just patched GW's work. And as I said before, he could have warned users of the potential danger of the patched launcher if he didn't feel like putting effort on it.

guys! we know that stealing GW hard work isn't acceptable, the point here is that the users are paying for it and not the clone companies .... I could have bought a R4i without knowing that it's a clone and get my 3ds bricked ... R4i doesn't care about my 3ds, I already paid for their cart ... or worst I could have used the region free launcher to stay legit and buy other region's games

I don't think anyone here is saying "R4i got what they deserved". No one can justify Gateway for the code, but at the end, it's not their responsibility if, whoever wants to mod the code, do it carelessly.

 

[Ryukouki]

Even if he didn't have a bad intention, he released this launcher without warning about the brick code. Maybe if he took the time to learn how the region free patch work and implement it in a brand new code, this wouldn't happen, but he went to the easy way as the cloners and just patched GW's work. And as I said before, he could have warned users of the potential danger of the patched launcher if he didn't feel like putting effort on it.

We actually just finished discussing it. As far as the chats went, he knew the presence of the checksums were there, but had no idea that they were capable of bricking the device. If he wants to chime in, I'll let him do that as I don't want it to be like I'm putting words in someone's mouth.

 

[Ryft]

I love how people are trying to bring morality into this. I think Gateway threw morality out of the window when they released a product that enables the running of unsupported code that enables piracy as did the end user when they bought the product for the same purpose. You can argue morality all you want, but if you invest in an illegal product, you have to be willing to face the risk. Would I be pissed if my console bricked? You are damn right I would be but in the end you only have yourself to blame for taking that risk. Maybe they added the code on purpose, maybe they didn't. Hell they could completely stop supporting it tomorrow and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. You could try to sue them for false advertising but that would be like trying to turn in a drug dealer to the cops for not delivering the goods. Good luck with that.

 

[redkeyboard]

A corrupt save issue would just be reported and fixed by the cloners... maybe. There's not much you can do without resorting to drastic measures.

And a brick would be reported and fixed by the cloners then. Except now some poor guy doesn't have a $200 paperweight.

 

[Xzi]

I love how people are trying to bring morality into this. I think Gateway threw morality out of the window when they released a product that enables the running of unsupported code that enables piracy as did the end user when they bought the product for the same purpose. You can argue morality all you want, but if you invest in an illegal product, you have to be willing to face the risk. Would I be pissed if my console bricked? You are damn right I would be but in the end you only have yourself to blame for taking that risk. Maybe they added the code on purpose, maybe they didn't. Hell they could completely stop supporting it tomorrow and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. You could try to sue them for false advertising but that would be like trying to turn in a drug dealer to the cops for not delivering the goods. Good luck with that.

Well it goes into the whole "honor among thieves" philosophy. Obviously the vast majority of us don't have a problem with piracy. But that doesn't mean we're each completely bereft of morality. Just because we have it in our minds that piracy is acceptable does not mean we then go out and murder someone, for example.

I personally have no issue with piracy, but I would have an issue with somebody trying to sell pirated copies of a game/movie/CD for profit. Which is why I supported Gateway for doing original work by buying their product. Would I support them now that I know they very well might be using brute force business tactics to make themselves the only game in town? I'm not so sure. It doesn't matter now that I already have their product, though.

 

[Xzi]

*Double post, ignore*

 

[inuyasha555]

Fair enough, if you don't know it's wrong then I will sit here and tell you what you are.

An idiot.

And a brick would be reported and fixed by the cloners then. Except now some poor guy doesn't have a $200 paperweight.

And now the team knows that Gateway is serious. Not some little save data bug, they mean business.

 

[Rob Blou]

I just wish Supercard will come up with a new card with 100% original code ... the DSTWO is imho the best (and by far) DS Card.
we wouldn't have to deal with that kind of barbarian protection :S

 

[Ryft]

Well it goes into the whole "honor among thieves" philosophy. Obviously the vast majority of us don't have a problem with piracy. But that doesn't mean we're each completely bereft of morality. Just because we have it in our minds that piracy is acceptable does not mean we then go out and murder someone, for example.

I personally have no issue with piracy, but I would have an issue with somebody trying to sell pirated copies of a game/movie/CD for profit. Which is why I supported Gateway for doing original work by buying their product. Would I support them now that I know they very well might be using brute force business tactics to make themselves the only game in town? I'm not so sure. It doesn't matter now that I already have their product, though.

I suppose I understand your point (although murder may be an extreme example haha). I think it's a fun social study to see how the conspiracies fly because of this. People have these wild theories which seem to be fueled by the fact that this is a morally questionable subject I.E. piracy and "software plagiarism". With things like this I tend to follow Occam's razor... is it more likely Gateway intentionally added a "bricking" code even knowing it would seriously harm their reputation (they also have to know that there are people who are able to somewhat examine the launcher code and find it), or is it simply that modifying the launcher in a certain way can cause memory issues that produce a brick?

I am just speculating like everyone else but it is interesting to see what unfolds.

 

[frown]

And now the team knows that Gateway is serious. Not some little save data bug, they mean business.

Yeah. Mafia-style.

 

[Ryft]

-EDIT- Double post also... forum is being wonky tonight.

 

[gamefan5]

Simple question, are the GW users 100% safe from the brick issue?
No GW user will be the "inevitable sacrifice"?

They are only if they take the launcher from the GW site.

 

[frown]

-double post-

 

[TopKek]

This situation is so funny, does anyone else remember when Dark_AleX and Mathieulh (who is obviously reading and posting on this forum) released the PSP custom firmware 3.52 M33-4? A website that I will just call "P**NEWS" hex-edited the installer to give credits to themselves, and AleX put in bricking code so if you installed the "P**NEWS" edited version you would brick your PSP (this way before the Pandora battery)

Yes, I guess it's a dirty tactic, but unskilled lamers are stealing their code they worked hard on, that isn't right.

 

[stomp_442]

This situation is so funny, does anyone else remember when Dark_AleX and Mathieulh (who is obviously reading and posting on this forum) released the PSP custom firmware 3.52 M33-4? A website that I will just call "P**NEWS" hex-edited the installer to give credits to themselves, and AleX put in bricking code so if you installed the "P**NEWS" edited version you would brick your PSP (this way before the Pandora battery)

Yes, I guess it's a dirty tactic, but unskilled lamers are stealing their code they worked hard on, that isn't right.

maybe dark_alex works for gateway team

 

[Cyberdrive]

Well, that's it. I don't know which flashcart I'll buy, but nothing made by Gateway from this moment on ever comes close to my 3DS, that's for sure.
Regardless of what they say is triggering activation of the malicious code in their files, I'm not risking my 3DS by willingly running anything containing said code, essentially giving my 3DS for them to hold it hostage.

Someone please post MD5 and SHA1 hashes of 100% clean launchers GW released earlier (up to and including GW 2.0 beta 1, if I'm not mistaken).

 

[inuyasha555]

Well, that's it. I don't know which flashcart I'll buy, but nothing made by Gateway from this moment on ever comes close to my 3DS, that's for sure.
Regardless of what they say is triggering activation of the malicious code in their files, I'm not risking my 3DS by willingly running anything containing said code, essentially giving my 3DS for them to hold it hostage.

Someone please post MD5 and SHA1 hashes of 100% clean launchers GW released earlier (up to and including GW 2.0 beta 1, if I'm not mistaken).

I haven't seen one post from anyone with a Gateway that's had their 3DS bricked. So you're going to buy a clone which people have been reporting bricks their console but you won't buy Gateway?

There's a serious problem there.

 

[kyogre123]

Well, that's it. I don't know which flashcart I'll buy, but nothing made by Gateway from this moment on ever comes close to my 3DS, that's for sure.
Regardless of what they say is triggering activation of the malicious code in their files, I'm not risking my 3DS by willingly running anything containing said code, essentially giving my 3DS for them to hold it hostage.

Someone please post MD5 and SHA1 hashes of 100% clean launchers GW released earlier (up to and including GW 2.0 beta 1, if I'm not mistaken).

If the "malicious" code is true, then is also true that it can't be triggered with the original launcher at all. C'mon, if we are going to speculate, let's at least grab the whole information.

As said by one of the hackers that analysed the launcher, it contains a "sanity checker", so the whole hash check is completely unnecessary.

 

[Cyberdrive]

Which part of "Regardless of what they say is triggering activation of the malicious code in their files, I'm not risking my 3DS by willingly running anything containing said code" is difficult to understand?

I just want the hashes, I'm not interested in fanboy wars.

 

[Kayday]

I'm sorry but Gateway was just protecting their hard work.

And the post about customers who might've bought the clone cards without knowing about the gateway card is ludacris. You have to know something about the hacking scene and did a little research. It's not exactly plug n play. Those who bought the clones went the cheap route. You get what you paid for(most cases).