Hacking Gateway update regarding rumors

[Tomobobo]

It does though, they're the reason the bricks occured in the first place.

And people thinking I'm mad because they think my system is bricked, it's not. I've been using the DS Flashcard for the past week. If I want to play a pirated 3DS game, I can either open up my Gateway and use their current firmware and risk bricking my system, or use my already opened R4 with an older firmware. The latter sounds more appealing at the moment.

How are you at risk of bricking your system by using gateway? I mean, maybe some new information has come to light in the recent hours but the last I heard there were no official (with proof) gateway using 3ds's bricked, only clone carts, or gateways with unofficial homebrew launchers, of which there is only one.

The only reason this has anything to do with Gateway is because 3DSLink and R4i 3DS team are USING GATEWAY'S SOFTWARE.

Edited for dramatic effect.

 

[Huntereb]

This is all just going to get hidden for the usual reason soon, so I'm done. Have fun.

 

[Rob Blou]

Here's an e-mail conversation I had with GW:

As we said again, we don't want to enter games played by some scammers. They
would try to turn it against us. After all, they job is to lie and deceive
people, we won't beat them at their games.
Rest assure, anyone who paid for our product, we will deliver their money worth,
and try our best to do even more.

mailto:[email protected]

> I know you are sending this e-mail to everybody carelessly but keep in mind
> that it's your reputation that is on the line here
> and you're not doing anything to the clone cie but to the innocent users. I
> own a GW and nothing else and I almost used the region free patched firmware
> to play a genuine EU game. That being said, I qualify as a genuine GW user and
> you should consider this while tweaking your 2.0 final FW.

> Otherwise, I will gladly suggest everybody not to buy any of your products.
> Bricking a 3ds for using a mod of your FW is just fucking wrong!!!



>> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:14:00 +0100
>> From: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Please read this
>>
>>
>> This is Gateway official support and sales email.
>>
>> We do not answer rumors, speculations and other tactics from people who are not
>> even real competitors but simply companies stealing our hard work. It would be
>> just taking away our time from what we owe our customers: Bringing them a better
>> and better experience with Gateway new firmware, functions and compatibility.
>>
>> We have an official statement on our homepage here:
>> http://www.gateway-3ds.com/
>> If you are not a Gateway customer, please simply contact your product
>> manufacturer. We only offer warranty and support for genuine Gateway card.
>>
>> Simply put, we do not care about others. Our focus is to bring the best
>> experience to genuine Gateway users.
>> We can confirm that NO Gateway user had any issue with their console or their
>> Gateway card. And this will remain the same in the future, thanks to our team
>> hard work on proper testing and quality manufacturing. Another story created by
>> scammers about possible bricks due to faulty SD cards etc. is also false, and
>> just spread by clone producer claiming to be Gateway customers.
>>
>> Exciting news are coming soon with our final firmware 2.0. And beyond that, much
>> more is still to come that will delight all our loyal customers.
>>
>> mailto:[email protected]
>>
>> > Hello GW people,
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > It’s now a known fact that you include bricking code in your laucher and it
>> > doesn’t only brick the nand but it prevents you from physically re flash it.
>> >
>> > That is unacceptable and it’s totally insane!! I lost all trust in you (and
>> > I used to defend you on all forums). You guys have no conscience and doing that kind of things
>> >
>> > will only make everybody hate you and fear your products (even if they are
>> > supposingly safe from the bricking code). I hope you guys will stop this
>> > insanity and remove any bricking code from your final 2.0 firmware
>> >
>> > or else notorious developers will find it and nobody will want to buy your
>> > product anymore. At least you could find a way to make the 3ds crash or brick
>> > the modified launcher but not the freakin console itself!
>> >
>> > Remeber, It’s the innocent users that are paying the price here and not the clone companies!
>> >
>> > I feel really sad for all the people that used the region free launcher and
>> > bricked their console ... they paid for their games and that’s what they end up with because of you.
>> >
>> > I hope you understand and will remove all of that code from your next firmware.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Rob

 

[kyogre123]

-snip-

It's obvious that they won't say that "yes, we are bricking customers that bought the product of our competition". They are playing safe and they can pretty much do it because, if you are supposed to be a GW customer, then your 3DS should be safe.

And yes, at the end they are not responsible of the bricks that people are getting for using the clone's launcher. R4i released the launcher and they are the only ones responsible of anything related to their own customers.

 

[Huntereb]

Rob Blou Man, what you said to them summed up my feelings perfectly. Keep me updated on what they say, this I wanna see.

Their first response is terrible, the way they're acting about all of this is fucking disgusting.

 

[juins]

It's obvious that they won't say that "yes, we are bricking customers that bought the product of our competition". They are playing safe and they can pretty much do it because, if you are supposed to be a GW customer, then your 3DS should be safe.

And yes, at the end they are not responsible of the bricks that people are getting for using the clone's launcher. R4i released the launcher and they are the only ones responsible of anything related to their own customers.

do u think putting your date to an earlier time would help evade bricking?

 

[Rob Blou]

It's obvious that they won't say that "yes, we are bricking customers that bought the product of our competition". They are playing safe and they can pretty much do it because, if you are supposed to be a GW customer, then your 3DS should be safe.

And yes, at the end they are not responsible of the bricks that people are getting for using the clone's launcher. R4i released the launcher and they are the only ones responsible of anything related to their own customers.

I understand but so many legit people used the region free launcher I almost did!

 

[kyogre123]

I understand but so many legit people used the region free launcher I almost did!

Now you may want to avoid anything released by that Normatt user. Better trust in other hackers that created their own code and actually test it.

do u think putting your date to an earlier time would help evade bricking?

Yes, I think, but does my guess really matter in this aspect? You better avoid that launcher for the sake of your 3DS.

 

[Rob Blou]

Rob Blou Man, what you said to them summed up my feelings perfectly. Keep me updated on what they say, this I wanna see.

Their first response is terrible, the way they're acting about all of this is fucking disgusting.

I sent them another e-mail saying that the bricking code proofs are coming from trustworthy and well known devs so if they include it in Final 2.0 the info will come out.

 

[inuyasha555]

do u think putting your date to an earlier time would help evade bricking?

Not unless you knew exactly how the code works. They could easily make it so changing the date does nothing.

 

[Huntereb]

do u think putting your date to an earlier time would help evade bricking?

Dude, just don't use it. Why would you risk ruining your console?

 

[Nismax]

Gateway and their delays, lack of news, or any proof of concept demo showing multirom working were bad enough. Then this ordeal comes along. Part of me can't help but wonder whether or not their goal is to kill off the product because they are unable to deliver on their promises with the current card. Then resurface with a new cartridge and new "brand.

That's why it's called "Gateway". It will eventually be obsolete and its only purpose was to get the ball rolling.

 

[Ryukouki]

Now you may want to avoid anything released by that Normatt user. Better trust in other hackers that created their own code and actually test it.



Yes, I think, but does my guess really matter in this aspect? You better avoid that launcher for the sake of your 3DS.

The thing is, anyone that knows Normmatt from the past knows that he is a very capable programmer, having worked on the Acekard 2 interface known as the Acekard All in One, or AKAIO. I don't think he did this out of the worst of intentions.

 

[zb123]

What I don't think a lot of you understand is that even though these clones which steal the work of Gateway are terrible, so is implementing a brick code that can harm anyone's 3ds. It doesn't matter if Gateway users are safe or not; wrecking the user's hardware is unacceptable no matter how you look at it, there's literally no morally justified excuse for it. As for the the fact that GW didn't confirm or deny the statement, just look at the situation that we're dealing with and use your head. Come on people...

 

[inuyasha555]

What I don't think a lot of you understand is that even though these clones which steal the work of Gateway are terrible, so is implementing a brick code that can harm anyone's 3ds. It doesn't matter if Gateway users are safe or not; wrecking the user's hardware is unacceptable no matter how you look at it, there's literally no morally justified excuse for it. As for the the fact that GW didn't confirm or deny the statement, just look at the situation that we're dealing with and use your head. Come on people...

Selling other people's work isn't acceptable either. What else are they going to do, put up a message telling them to buy a Gateway? Who would actually do that? They would go straight to the team and ask for it to be removed.

The fact that these other teams didn't even check through the launcher for this supposed brick code is just lazy on their part. Maybe they'll learn to make their own work now knowing they caused all this being lazy.

 

[temp1312]

Simple question, are the GW users 100% safe from the brick issue?
No GW user will be the "inevitable sacrifice"?

 

[Xzi]

What I don't think a lot of you understand is that even though these clones which steal the work of Gateway are terrible, so is implementing a brick code that can harm anyone's 3ds. It doesn't matter if Gateway users are safe or not; wrecking the user's hardware is unacceptable no matter how you look at it, there's literally no morally justified excuse for it. As for the the fact that GW didn't confirm or deny the statement, just look at the situation that we're dealing with and use your head. Come on people...

I'm 50/50 on it. Gateway didn't actively destroy anyone's hardware. The clone teams did that by messing with code that they didn't fully check in to. It's pretty obvious that they didn't even look through half of it. It's one thing to copy other peoples' work. It's entirely another to try and profit off of that work.

The end result is that the clone carts are pretty much dead. I don't agree with the method Gateway used to accomplish this, as it hurts the people who used those carts just as much as it hurts the cart manufacturers, but I'm not going to shed a tear over the end of 3DSLink/R4i/etc, either.

 

[Nismax]

Selling other people's work isn't acceptable either. What else are they going to do, put up a message telling them to buy a Gateway? Who would actually do that? They would go straight to the team and ask for it to be removed.

The fact that these other teams didn't even check through the launcher for this supposed brick code is just lazy on their part. Maybe they'll learn to make their own work now knowing they caused all this being lazy.

Then they should attack the cloners, not the consumers. It doesn't exactly make Gateway customers feel very secure knowing that they've installed what essentially is a virus, regardless of whether or not it is "safe" for them to continue using. Quit making excuses, you know it's wrong.

 

[juins]

I understand the whole brick situation happening, but sincerely, what GW did was waaaaay to harsh. There ARE other methods.

Take the iOS scene for example. If u install appsync, it wont make u have to restore your device. It just messes up your Weather app on ios6, and on ios7 its a bit more ugly, it messes up your Weather, mail, calculator, and internet browser apps. But nothing as extreme as making your device a brick. EVEN MORE SO, not being able to recover it, even with a nand backup.

 

[Xzi]

Simple question, are the GW users 100% safe from the brick issue?
No GW user will be the "inevitable sacrifice"?

In so far as we know, yes, GW users running only official Gateway firmware are completely safe from this. There has been a small number of reports of Gateway users getting bricks, but for entirely different reasons and with an entirely different end result.