Hacking Gateway for n(new)3ds or sky for n(new)3ds?

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The has been a lot of talk and not much action on the new 3ds system.....

Actions speak louder than words.......

Talk - People keep talking that sky will be blocked and its an easy block?
If it is an easy block why not block it like they did smea and the gateway for over 9.x? A coder would from all the talk have less hassle and coding time to add that to one of the last updates?

Action - sky continues to work after several updates.......

Talk - Gateway are going to release support for the n3ds, apparently limited like the other 3ds models to >=9.2 system firmware. Also emunand is limited to >9.5 so no future for future games and eshop.

Action - No support for above 9.2 on any model and no support at all for the n3ds model....

Is there official confirmation from the GW team that the n3ds will even be supported at all in a manner practically usable. No videos or hearsay, no "we are working on it" rubbish, an official statement that "it is working" or "it's working but just being refined and tested" at a worst?

Can we keep this factual and non hypothetical and just talk, for the noobs. People are spending money on what he said and what she said and what maybe.

We are the community and lets look after each other and keep fanboy bs and hate out of this.
 

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Considering Sky is the only one that works on the N3DS if you wanna play Roms then that's your option, if you want to play the waiting game then there is always Gateway. That's pretty much it. Gateway clearly has more Features but so far with 3 months of *Soon* your taking a Gamble buying a Gateway with no official response from them.
 

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sky3DS has a working product, sure. If all you want is piracy, sky3DS is a viable option for that. Mind you though that Gateway has a working kernel exploit, the actual hard part of N3DS support is done. If they never released support they'd be throwing away money. And in regards to 9.5 emuNAND, that's been found to be flawed and it's likely that it won't be as large a hurdle as it originally appeared. So while it's not out yet, they have enough done that it's definitely happening regardless.

sky3DS has not beel blocked yet, but it has the same potential to be blocked as a normal DS flash cart, so I wouldn't hold my breath for that thing lasting as long as the DSTwo, unless ofc they magically come out with another cart or something. But, again, if all you want to do is pirate, sky3DS works perfect for that, at the cost of not having other features which may open other doors later on.
 

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sky3DS has a working product, sure. If all you want is piracy, sky3DS is a viable option for that. Mind you though that Gateway has a working kernel exploit, the actual hard part of N3DS support is done. If they never released support they'd be throwing away money. And in regards to 9.5 emuNAND, that's been found to be flawed and it's likely that it won't be as large a hurdle as it originally appeared. So while it's not out yet, they have enough done that it's definitely happening regardless.

sky3DS has not beel blocked yet, but it has the same potential to be blocked as a normal DS flash cart, so I wouldn't hold my breath for that thing lasting as long as the DSTwo, unless ofc they magically come out with another cart or something. But, again, if all you want to do is pirate, sky3DS works perfect for that, at the cost of not having other features which may open other doors later on.



Do we have any thing to support this statement other than premise or beliefs? A statement from the team?
 
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After waiting since Nov'14 for the Gateway release, i have finally taken the plunge and went for the QQ3DS (Sky3ds clone). The fact that Gateway doesn't support Emunand 9.5 for the N3DS made me move earlier for the QQ3DS

Even though i believe that Gateway will improve their support for the N3DS system eventually. But i'm not wasting my time waiting for it on my brand new hardware. There's not much features i will miss from Gateway other than their region free support.
 

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Considering Sky is the only one that works on the N3DS if you wanna play Roms then that's your option, if you want to play the waiting game then there is always Gateway. That's pretty much it. Gateway clearly has more Features but so far with 3 months of *Soon* your taking a Gamble buying a Gateway with no official response from them.



I personally think gateway is great, the team though and pr skills, not so much.

From what i gather and have seen and heard there is no evidence anyone will see gateway working in a practical manner on the n3ds?
 
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After waiting since Nov'14 for the Gateway release, i have finally taken the plunge and went for the QQ3DS (Sky3ds clone). The fact that Gateway doesn't support Emunand 9.5 for the N3DS made me move earlier for the QQ3DS

Even though i believe that Gateway will improve their support for the N3DS system eventually. But i'm not wasting my time waiting for it on my brand new hardware. There's not much features i will miss from Gateway other than their region free support.


The apparently isn't a huge amount of roms that aren't cross region and with the latest region free support (although others work and untested from my knowledge on 9.5) we have something working in the now, not future speculation....
 

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I personally think gateway is great, the team though and pr skills, not so much.

From what i gather and have seen and heard there is no evidence anyone will see gateway working in a practical manner on the n3ds?


From what Gateway stated in their recent post. It does seem they will have Emunand support up till 9.4 on the N3DS.
But since now you need to be on 9.5 to access eShop, it seems that all future updates can only be done via CIA. So you need to learn to be more "techy" to get things to work in the future.
Also, we still don't know when this 9.4 Emunand limitation can be overcome. So if it takes too long and new games come out with ver 9.5 firmware requirements, then you'll have to start to learn how to patch your ROMS in order for them to work with Gateway.

The apparently isn't a huge amount of roms that aren't cross region and with the latest region free support (although others work and untested from my knowledge on 9.5) we have something working in the now, not future speculation....

Are you talking about the region free support released by smea? If it is, then it doesn't work on the N3DS. Only on the old 3DS models.
 

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The has been a lot of talk and not much action on the new 3ds system.....

Actions speak louder than words.......

Talk - People keep talking that sky will be blocked and its an easy block?
If it is an easy block why not block it like they did smea and the gateway for over 9.x? A coder would from all the talk have less hassle and coding time to add that to one of the last updates?

Action - sky continues to work after several updates.......

Talk - Gateway are going to release support for the n3ds, apparently limited like the other 3ds models to >=9.2 system firmware. Also emunand is limited to >9.5 so no future for future games and eshop.

Action - No support for above 9.2 on any model and no support at all for the n3ds model....

Is there official confirmation from the GW team that the n3ds will even be supported at all in a manner practically usable. No videos or hearsay, no "we are working on it" rubbish, an official statement that "it is working" or "it's working but just being refined and tested" at a worst?

Can we keep this factual and non hypothetical and just talk, for the noobs. People are spending money on what he said and what she said and what maybe.

We are the community and lets look after each other and keep fanboy bs and hate out of this.

simple:

Sky3ds is working right now.
Gateway3ds does not have support right now.

HOWEVER:
Will sky3ds continue to work?
(it is detectable and easily blocked, just wait for a major fw revision, like 10 or 11)

Will Gateway3DS eventually have support?
(If I recall, they showed a video. It already can work, they're just ironing out the kinks)

I'll quote myself for impact:
Sky3DS is entry level. Minimal steps to setup and get things going.
Limited functions, hardware level easy to block, but presently still working. (wanna be preachy? wait for FW 10.)
Designed for people who do not cross roads, as cars might kill them. (the big bang theory reference)
Also for those who live in bunkers, because meteors might kill them. (sims 3 reference)

Gateway3DS is more complicated than that.
It may need additional steps and all,
but it's functions are constantly growing, because it uses hardware + software combination of hacking.
Hardware level not so easy to block (probably), as nobody uses the cart outside of Gateway mode.
Software level not easy to block (somewhat), as the exploit is only patched when user updates the device.
Of course, emunand compatibility is easily broken, but Gateway has proved to us they can easily restore compatibility with minor updates.
Also comes with some risk, as the brick code is somewhere in the programming.
Well after all, higher risk is coupled with the potential for higher returns.
Designed or people who travel to work, knowing they may die on public transport, in order to earn their keep.
For people who take planes and travel, knowing that planes may crash anytime.
For people who don't give up when a device becomes as useful as a brick. (I mean, it can be restored)

Eshop not working? please, GW 3.0.4 just came out...
they've cracked everything, and created the brilliance called "emunand".
it might take 2 months, or 8 months (as before), or even double.
But they will crack nn3ds eventually. they want in on that market, so they will.
After that, Gateway team may stop supporting us? perhaps.
When that day comes, we will patch our games too.


Frankly in all seriousness,
people will use whatever they are comfortable with,
Just display the required information in a logical fashion, finished with a pinch of humour.
No need to shoot down their choices.
 
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I'm sorry for how noob this question is going to be (haven't been in the scene since my Supercard)... but the gateway flashcart you can purchase right now will be updated to support the NN3DS, correct? They're not going to release a new flashcart just for the NN3DS, right?
 

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I'm sorry for how noob this question is going to be (haven't been in the scene since my Supercard)... but the gateway flashcart you can purchase right now will be updated to support the NN3DS, correct? They're not going to release a new flashcart just for the NN3DS, right?
There won't be a new Gateway flashcart. You can just purchase the Gateway right now, if you want to. (Your choice) If you do, purchase a Gateway, you will have to wait until they release the update that has support for the New3DS.
My gateway card can't using on my new 3ds RIGHT NOW ,I'm telling the very truths ;) ;)
Because the support update is not out publicly yet and the Gateway team is probably playing roms on their New3DS privately RIGHT NOW. ;):tpi:
LOL OK, I have on my desk a AUS N3ds and a gateway card. tell me sir, how exactly do i make my GW card work on said n3ds right now?
I never said that I know how to make it work. I'm just saying that Gateway showed us that the GW cart works on New3DS using EmuNAND and can play roms and other things.
 

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There won't be a new Gateway flashcart. You can just purchase the Gateway right now, if you want to. (Your choice)

Because the support update is not out publicly yet and the Gateway team is probably playing roms on their New3DS privately RIGHT NOW. ;):tpi:

I never said that I know how to make it work. I'm just saying that Gateway showed us that the GW cart works on New3DS using EmuNAND and can play roms and other things.

oooo GW has a video showing they can make it work on n3ds..... do you think the OP gives one fuck about that? Until the OP himself can actually use his GW card on a n3ds, GW card is useless

god, even i don't try and trick ppl into buying sky3ds. If ur gonna recommend a flashcart at least be honest about what it can and cannot do, and the fact is the GW cart right now does not work on a n3ds.
 

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oooo GW has a video showing they can make it work on n3ds..... do you think the OP gives one fuck about that? Until the OP himself can actually use his GW card on a n3ds, GW card is useless

god, even i don't try and trick ppl into buying sky3ds. If ur gonna recommend a flashcart at least be honest about what it can and cannot do, and the fact is the GW cart right now does not work on a n3ds.

I edited my post earlier before you posted, you know. I included that if he does buy a Gateway, he will have to start waiting for Gateway to release their new update that gives support to the New3DS. I wasn't even trying to trick anyone. I also did say it's their choice to purchase it or not.
 

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There won't be a new Gateway flashcart. You can just purchase the Gateway right now, if you want to. (Your choice)

Because the support update is not out publicly yet and the Gateway team is probably playing roms on their New3DS privately RIGHT NOW. ;):tpi:

I never said that I know how to make it work. I'm just saying that Gateway showed us that the GW cart works on New3DS using EmuNAND and can play roms and other things.
The vid they should us is 2.5 months ago ,and full of "SOON AROUND THE CORNER AT THE END OF THE WEEK" ,how can you so sure for what you've said? Nobody dose.
GW just fooling me, that's what I felt.
 

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I also included that if he does buy a Gateway, he will have to start waiting for Gateway to release their new update that gives support to the New3DS.


I actually just put in my order for a Gateway (thanks for clearing that up!), and was completely aware that by the time I got my NN3DS on release day, there would be no guarantee that Gateway would support it. I'm a patient and trusting person, and I do believe in the GW team.
 
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