Hacking Gateway for n(new)3ds or sky for n(new)3ds?

[bennyhan1985]

I actually just put in my order for a Gateway (thanks for clearing that up!), and was completely aware that by the time I got my NN3DS on release day, there would be no guarantee that Gateway would support it. I'm a patient and trusting person, and I do believe in the GW team.

Funny, you can try to wait 3 month without support, you won't say that easily.

 

[Dragaan]

Funny, you can try to wait 3 month without support, you won't say that easily.

I have plenty of things in my life to occupy my time; I've waited longer for things I've desperately desired. Besides, in the absolute worse case scenario, in which the GW team just completely goes dark, it isn't like these flashcarts are without resale value.

 

[LinkmstrYT]

The vid they should us is 2.5 months ago ,and full of "SOON AROUND THE CORNER AT THE END OF THE WEEK" ,how can you so sure for what you've said? Nobody dose.
GW just fooling me, that's what I felt.

If that's how you feel, okay then. No one forced you to go ahead buy a New3DS to use Gateway on. You made your choice to buy it, not Gateway.

I actually just put in my order for a Gateway (thanks for clearing that up!), and was completely aware that by the time I got my NN3DS on release day, there would be no guarantee that Gateway would support it. I'm a patient and trusting person, and I do believe in the GW team.

If that's your choice, alright. You can still use Gateway on an old 3DS/XL (if you have one) 9.2 and below if it takes too long for them to release an update for New3DS.

Funny, you can try to wait 3 month without support, you won't say that easily.

Again, you made the choice to buy a New3DS.

 

[DjoeN]

N3DS, it all depends on your FW, if its 9.2 or lower and you can wait, wait for Gateway to release there N3Ds support in there next update (how long it's gonna take? only Gateway will know)

(For N3DS (and old 3DS)
+ Homebrew support
+ Regionfree out of the box
+ Emunand
+ installing cia files (if you know where to find them or how to make them yourself)
+ Game updates throu cia's
+ Online support (3DZ and cia)
+ If you f*ck up emunand, you can format and start over, or place a backup back
+ Fun for homebrew and rom hacking
+ Once configured, easy to use (you still have to be carefull when installing cia's or updating emunand)
+ Game limmit is the size of your SD in the 3DS
+ Multirom menu in gateway mode
+ Eshop games are supported in 3DS or cia
+ No need to buy a new Gateway, Gateway can be updated

- Emunand can be crippled by Nintendo, but mostly Gateway finds a way (for how long?)
- Emunand can't be higher then 9.4 (on N3DS only)
- You gonna need internet access to launch the exploit (9.x fw), so you have to be carefull for the update nag from Nintendo)
- No eshop access, cause you need latest FW from Nintendo on emunand (N3DS only)
- For piracy purpose also
- You have to be carefull when configuring the first time.
-/+ Lesser kids friendly then Sky3Ds/QQ3DS
Unknown till now -> N3DS exclusive games support???

If your N3DS is 9.3 or higher, or you accidently (or on purpose) updated to 9.5, Sky3DS/QQ3DS is your only option with only games of your own regio
(Be sure you buy the BLUE button version)

+ Till now survived all updates of Nintendo (for how long?)
+ Works out of the box (meaning you don't have to mess with sysnand and emunand)
+ Quick, almost weekly updates for there template file (needed to support new games)
+ Online support (mostly, but you can with a little googling add that yourself to the template)
+ Eshop access (as long as Sky3DS/QQ3DS works)
+ Homebrew support if your N3DS/3DS is 9.2 or lower (No sound on N3DS)
+ You can install game updates for games on your Sky3DS/QQ3DS without problem (For as long as Sky3DS/QQ3DS works with latest Nintendo FW)
+ Regionfree throu an exploit
+ 31 games on 1 SD (you can use multiple SD cards)
+ Easy to write games to your SD with Diskwriter and backup/restore card1 and card2 save games
+ Fast switching (when using a descent class 10 SD)
+ Kids friendly

- No emunand
- No cia
- No homebrew (N3Ds and 3DS if 9.2 or lower throu Cubic Ninja on your Sky3DS/QQ3DS (N3Ds seems to have no sound) (Thanks SLiV3R for the info on N3DS homebrew)
- Can be blocked with a future nintendo update
- If Sky3DS/QQ3DS gets blocked you are stuck on latest fw it worked and lose eshop access and game updates
- No eshop games
- No regiofree throu the exploit (on N3DS only)
- Pure for piracy purpose
- Switching games, when you have alot, can take some time to get back to the 1st game
- You can't just randomly select a game (multirom like Gateway)
- Not proven till now if Sky3DS/QQ3DS can be updated or not (for now let's assume, not)
Unknown till now -> N3DS exclusive games support???

That's all i can think of, using the Gateway and Sky3DS myself.

You have to keep in mind, the biggest group of gateway users, use it for piracy (retail games and eshop games)(you can tell you don't but we know better), a smaller group really use it for homebrew and rom hacking), All Sky3DS/QQ3DS users use it only for piracy. (You can't tell you don't cause there's no other option!)

If you want to have a clear mind, keep buying the games you love!

Hope this helped you, maybe i forgot some things here and there, but i bet it will be mentioned by others

 

[bennyhan1985]

If that's how you feel, okay then. No one forced you to go ahead buy a New3DS to use Gateway on. You made your choice to buy it, not Gateway.


If that's your choice, alright. You can still use Gateway on an old 3DS/XL (if you have one) 9.2 and below if it takes too long for them to release an update for New3DS.


Again, you made the choice to buy a New3DS.

I don't want to argue with you, but can you say that GW have nothing wrong?

If that's how you feel, okay then. No one forced you to go ahead buy a New3DS to use Gateway on. You made your choice to buy it, not Gateway.


If that's your choice, alright. You can still use Gateway on an old 3DS/XL (if you have one) 9.2 and below if it takes too long for them to release an update for New3DS.


Again, you made the choice to buy a New3DS.

 

[Vickyle]

Huh? But didn't Gateway show us that Gateway can also play roms on New3DS a while back? So technically, Sky3DS is not the only one that can play roms on New3DS.

This quote claims that gateway is working on New3DS, because the video shows New3DS and gateway. So, people are buying them.

No one forced you to go ahead buy a New3DS to use Gateway on. You made your choice to buy it, not Gateway.

Based on this quote, you will be blamed for buying a New3DS and gateway, and it's your fault.

 

[Ra1d]

If it is an easy block why not block it like they did smea and the gateway for over 9.x? A coder would from all the talk have less hassle and coding time to add that to one of the last updates?

This is an easy one, smea and Gateway relied on an exploit.

Exploit = flaw in the system, which Nintendo has to patch immediately, even if the exploit did something really harmless they would have still patched it.
On the other hand, Sky3DS is emulating a real cartridge, and while it may be easy to patch, a patch might also hurt legit cartridge owners, so they're probably working on it.

Do I know for sure that Sky3DS will be blocked ?No.
Do I know for sure that Sky3DS will not be able to update their card ?No.

 

[Queno138]

Funny, you can try to wait 3 month without support, you won't say that easily.

I've waited over 8 months for gateway to release their single sd single rom,
then proceeded to multirom.

It can be done...

This is an easy one, smea and Gateway relied on an exploit.

Exploit = flaw in the system, which Nintendo has to patch immediately, even if the exploit did something really harmless they would have still patched it.
On the other hand, Sky3DS is emulating a real cartridge, and while it may be easy to patch, a patch might also hurt legit cartridge owners, so they're probably working on it.

Do I know for sure that Sky3DS will be blocked ?No.
Do I know for sure that Sky3DS will not be able to update their card ?No.

If users don't update their system (and rely on emunand),
the exploit won't be patched.

 

[Ra1d]

If users don't update their system (and rely on emunand),
the exploit won't be patched.

Yes, but gateway/smea is blocked in the latest version, which is the reason he's asking why, and I answered.

 

[SLiV3R]

N3DS, it all depends on your FW, if its 9.2 or lower and you can wait, wait for Gateway to release there N3Ds support in there next update (how long it's gonna take? only Gateway will know)

(For N3DS (and old 3DS)
+ Homebrew support
+ Regionfree out of the box
+ Emunand
+ installing cia files (if you know where to find them or how to make them yourself)
+ Game updates throu cia's
+ Online support (3DZ and cia)
+ If you f*ck up emunand, you can format and start over, or place a backup back
+ Fun for homebrew and rom hacking
+ Once configured, easy to use (you still have to be carefull when installing cia's or updating emunand)
+ Game limmit is the size of your SD in the 3DS
+ Multirom menu in gateway mode
+ Eshop games are supported in 3DS or cia
+ No need to buy a new Gateway, Gateway can be updated

- Emunand can be crippled by Nintendo, but mostly Gateway finds a way (for how long?)
- Emunand can't be higher then 9.4 (on N3DS only)
- You gonna need internet access to launch the exploit (9.x fw), so you have to be carefull for the update nag from Nintendo)
- No eshop access, cause you need latest FW from Nintendo on emunand (N3DS only)
- For piracy purpose also
- You have to be carefull when configuring the first time.
-/+ Lesser kids friendly then Sky3Ds/QQ3DS
Unknown till now -> N3DS exclusive games support???

If your N3DS is 9.3 or higher, or you accidently (or on purpose) updated to 9.5, Sky3DS/QQ3DS is your only option with only games of your own regio
(Be sure you buy the BLUE button version)

+ Till now survived all updates of Nintendo (for how long?)
+ Works out of the box (meaning you don't have to mess with sysnand and emunand)
+ Quick, almost weekly updates for there template file (needed to support new games)
+ Online support (mostly, but you can with a little googling add that yourself to the template)
+ Eshop access (as long as Sky3DS/QQ3DS works)
+ Homebrew support if your 3DS is 9.2 or lower (Not for N3DS)
+ You can install game updates for games on your Sky3DS/QQ3DS without problem (For as long as Sky3DS/QQ3DS works with latest Nintendo FW)
+ Regionfree throu an exploit
+ 31 games on 1 SD (you can use multiple SD cards)
+ Easy to write games to your SD with Diskwriter and backup/restore card1 and card2 save games
+ Fast switching (when using a descent class 10 SD)
+ Kids friendly

- No emunand
- No cia
- No homebrew (N3Ds only and 3DS if 9.2 or lower throu Cubic Ninja on your Sky3DS/QQ3DS)
- Can be blocked with a future nintendo update
- If Sky3DS/QQ3DS gets blocked you are stuck on latest fw it worked and lose eshop access and game updates
- No eshop games
- No regiofree throu the exploit (on N3DS only)
- Pure for piracy purpose
- Switching games, when you have alot, can take some time to get back to the 1st game
- You can't just randomly select a game (multirom like Gateway)
- Not proven till now if Sky3DS/QQ3DS can be updated or not (for now let's assume, not)
Unknown till now -> N3DS exclusive games support???

That's all i can think of, using the Gateway and Sky3DS myself.

You have to keep in mind, the biggest group of gateway users, use it for piracy (retail games and eshop games)(you can tell you don't but we know better), a smaller group really use it for homebrew and rom hacking), All Sky3DS/QQ3DS users use it only for piracy. (You can't tell you don't cause there's no other option!)

If you want to have a clear mind, keep buying the games you love!

Hope this helped you, maybe i forgot some things here and there, but i bet it will be mentioned by others

Thanks for your informative list. But n3ds support hb with sky if 9.2 or less. There are no sound though

The most important thing is that if you want to have a clean mind. Stop pirate games and support the innovators. Not the thieves..

 

[thorasgar]

I was planning on trading in my old 3DS for $100 to help fund the N3DS, however if support is not released by 2/14 I am not likely to get $100 or anywhere close to that for it. Probably less than $50 at that point as it is obsolete (what is a DSi worth?) This effectively raises the cost of a GW by $50 or more for many in the same boat.

Another con of the GW that gets left out is the retail cart save dump problem.

I also would be careful calling the Sky hassle free. I don't own one so don't follow the support threads closely but people do have issues.

Another thing to consider is flashcarts fail eventually. I have been around here long enough to have read many tales of them frying out after a 2-3 years and sometimes sooner. Both my Acekards died within a few months of each other. It happens.

Piracy does not equal free games. There is a monetary and time commitment cost.

 

[lebad]

I was planning on trading in my old 3DS for $100 to help fund the N3DS, however if support is not released by 2/14 I am not likely to get $100 or anywhere close to that for it. Probably less than $50 at that point as it is obsolete (what is a DSi worth?) This effectively raises the cost of a GW by $50 or more for many in the same boat.

Another con of the GW that gets left out is the retail cart save dump problem.

I also would be careful calling the Sky hassle free. I don't own one so don't follow the support threads closely but people do have issues.

Another thing to consider is flashcarts fail eventually. I have been around here long enough to have read many tales of them frying out after a 2-3 years and sometimes sooner. Both my Acekards died within a few months of each other. It happens.

Piracy does not equal free games. There is a monetary and time commitment cost.

For sure You will be able to trade your old 3ds, at least, during 2 or 3 weeks after the New 3DS realease date

 

[thorasgar]

For sure You will be able to trade your old 3ds, at least, during 2 or 3 weeks after the New 3DS realease date

That would be nice but the retail here in the US is only offering $100 if the trade is towards a new 3DS and $80 if not. So I will not have the luxury of waiting 2 or 3 weeks. Additionally I have inquired and they do not know how long that offer will last. It may not even be available on 2/13.

I appreciate your confidence and mean no disrespect but the market situation is different in the US than Luxembourg.

 

[Queno138]

Yes, but gateway/smea is blocked in the latest version, which is the reason he's asking why, and I answered.

yeah yeah it's blocked on the latest firmware.
Just like how it was blocked after fw 4.5

Right now, no 3DSs are shipped above 9.2 right?
So shouldn't be too much of an issue if users maintain their firmware..

Anyhow, frankly, sky3ds is good for plain users who don't want extras.
though the day that it may be blocked might eventually come, like most other flashcarts.

One of the only flashcarts that survived the purge was SuperCard DStwo.
Even so, other cards, like Acekard 2i (Which I loved) had a good run.

 

[mrolive]

OP, anybody telling that the Sky3DS will be blocked has no idea what they are talking about. It's 100% pure speculation.

 

[Kugz]

SKY will be blocked in a future patch... Gateway will be blocked in a future patch... who cares. Anyone wanting to pirate has to stay on the highest firmware it currently functions on.

SKY3DS is easy and you can play any game released up to 9.5 Firmware (possibly more, who knows?). That's a LOT of games. No fiddling with Emunand or risk of accidentally updating your console (once it is patched, turn WiFi off and continue to play).

Gateway is more feature rich (Emunand is a great function), NAND backups in case you stuff up and accidentally update (very useful!) and "HOMEBREW" if you want to run silly emulators. You have additional steps to play games but you can install CIA's which are cool.

I own both and am eagerly awaiting the Gateway exploit. The SKY3DS for me I feel is better because it's easier to use on-the-go and I'm not needing any wireless capabilities but for home use I could see Gateway having an advantage over SKY.

 

[guitarheroknight]

SKY will be blocked in a future patch... Gateway will be blocked in a future patch... who cares. Anyone wanting to pirate has to stay on the highest firmware it currently functions on.

SKY3DS is easy and you can play any game released up to 9.5 Firmware (possibly more, who knows?). That's a LOT of games. No fiddling with Emunand or risk of accidentally updating your console (once it is patched, turn WiFi off and continue to play).

Gateway is more feature rich (Emunand is a great function), NAND backups in case you stuff up and accidentally update (very useful!) and "HOMEBREW" if you want to run silly emulators. You have additional steps to play games but you can install CIA's which are cool.

I own both and am eagerly awaiting the Gateway exploit. The SKY3DS for me I feel is better because it's easier to use on-the-go and I'm not needing any wireless capabilities but for home use I could see Gateway having an advantage over SKY.

The only difference is that Gateway does not permanently get blocked.

 

[xBleedingSoulx]

Basically, your choices:

You're a noob: Sky 3DS
You're in a rush to play on it with Roms: Sky 3DS
You don't care that the card will eventually be blocked: Sky 3DS
You don't care about homebrew: Sky 3DS
You don't care about anything other than playing ROMS: Sky 3DS
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You don't mind the technical side of things: Gateway 3DS
You don't mind waiting a while longer to play: Gateway 3DS
You want a card that will always work, even if it takes a while between firmwares: Gateway 3DS
You want some homebrewz: Gateway 3DS
You want lots of different features with your card: Gateway 3DS

 

[elm]

Just to be on the safe side.. I bought both cards. I use to play the GW all the time, but the Sky3ds is my first choice to play (right now).

 

[BORTZ]

There are plenty of threads around here that already talk about this exact same thing. We wont know until it happens ok?