Hacking Gateway 3DS working on the New Nintendo 3DS.

[Deleted-188346]

How can you say with such assurance that a SINGLE physical game hasn't been packaged with 9.0 and is currently ready to ship out, though?

Because Nintendo were willing to pull Cubic Ninja off the e-store to try and control the situation. They aren't afraid of pulling games in the name of halting piracy. Also, they aren't full blown retarded. I'm sure they'd rather reprint a game than give us a method to update ANY pre-9.0 3DS to 9.0-9.2.

 

[Duo8]

how can you say that, well i can tell ya that is not correct, it seems the firmware is put in the cartridge in the moment they are coding the game, for example how can it be that pokemon ORAS has 7.1 and smash bros 8.1 even though smash was released before pokemon, i think that the newest japanese games will have 9.0-9.2 because of that time lapse, i could be wrong but i hope not

Nah I think it's put in at manufacture.

 

[ubergeek77]

How can you say with such assurance that a SINGLE physical game hasn't been packaged with 9.0 and is currently ready to ship out, though?

Because if there were a point for developers to do so, it would have been done by now. The only reason to put an update on a cart is due to minute changes to the system that make the SDK easier to use or to introducenew features on the code-side of the game. For example, in the case of Smash Bros, specifically, recall that the system reboots in order to load in a higher CPU mode. This is almost undoubtedly an 8.1 feature, which is why this version ships with the cart. With the 3DS being more mature now, it's not likely that developers will need to package their games with updates, much less developers that aren't first party (as the first party developers will have a much better understanding of such things).

Aside from themes, I doubt 9.0-9.2 added anything extremely valuable to developers to use in their games. Moving forward, if there were a feature that required a version higher than 8.1 in order to work, the game would be packaged with 9.3.

This is why you are required to update to use the eShop. With the plethora of different version requirements across games, it's just easier to make everyone update to the latest version.

 

[KidIce]

Also does anyone have a gateway with their SD card sticking out slighty. It seems the new one I got a few weeks ago uses a different micro SD slot than the one I got a year ago.

GW come flat packed and w/o stickers attached to vendors... Your vendor just did a shitty job applying the sticker on the cart you find suspect.

 

[dplaktos]

Do you work for nintendo? do you know how they act? because patching ninjhax instead of sky3ds was a marvelous move, piracy over homebrew, the thing nintendo cannot stop are the games that are about to release, if there is a game that comes with 9.x ill quote your post just for fun

Maybe... just maybe... did you consider that Ninjhax may be easier to patch than Sky3DS because it is entirely software-based, as opposed to the latter? I don't think it was feasible for Nintendo to block Sky3DS at this time. (Edit: Puppy_Washer ninja'd me half an hour ago )

Because if there were a point for developers to do so, it would have been done by now. The only reason to put an update on a cart is due to minute changes to the system that make the SDK easier to use or to introduce new features on the code-side of the game. For example, in the case of Smash Bros, specifically, recall that the system reboots in order to load in a higher CPU mode. This is almost undoubtedly an 8.1 feature, which is why this version ships with the cart. With the 3DS being more mature now, it's not likely that developers will need to package their games with updates, much less developers that aren't first party (as the first party developers will have a much better understanding of such things).

Not to try and undermine your otherwise valid argument, but AFAIK Monster Hunter 4 in Japan also does this (soft reboots console into a "more available resources" environment) and this comes with firmware 5.1.0J. So I don't think it's an 8.1 feature.

Nevertheless, there would be features that are employed in the game that are present in the respective SDK of the later firmwares, thus warranting them being bundled with the game, as you were saying.

 

[yunneg]

Good. You do that.
But just for the record, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Absolute zero.
I also don't need to work for Nintendo (worst argument ever, by the way) to make an educated guess. Do you really think that Nintendo, a multi-billion dollar company, is unaware that 9.0-9.2 is exploitable? Do you think they'd offer the 9.0-9.2 firmwares on a silver platter to people? Of course not. Use your brain.

Finally, Nintendo doesn't have to make a choice about whether to block homebrew "instead" of piracy. They can block both, but for whatever reason did not block SKY3DS, likely because it is a hardware based solution that Nintendo may have difficulty in blocking.

I don't get it, what you said is conflicted, they can block both but they dont do it because they have difficulty in blocking? So can they block sky3ds or not? if not, it's conflicted too because they are a multi-billion dollar company while sky3ds is just a small team.

 

[HEX1GON]

Because Nintendo were willing to pull Cubic Ninja off the e-store to try and control the situation. They aren't afraid of pulling games in the name of halting piracy. Also, they aren't full blown retarded. I'm sure they'd rather reprint a game than give us a method to update ANY pre-9.0 3DS to 9.0-9.2.

I may support your quote with the word "recall" too.

 

[dplaktos]

I don't get it, what you said is conflicted, they can block both but they dont do it because they have difficulty in blocking? So can they block sky3ds or not? if not, it's conflicted too because they are a multi-billion dollar company while sky3ds is just a small team.

Money is not the issue here. If a flashcard is sophisticated enough to look like a genuine cart, how can Nintendo patch it effectively without blocking genuine retail carts in the process? They need time to figure this out.

They can block it because there is almost always a solution to block unofficial hardware. It has just not occurred to them yet.

 

[yunneg]

Money is not the issue here. If a flashcard is sophisticated enough to look like a genuine cart, how can Nintendo patch it effectively without blocking genuine retail carts in the process? They need time to figure this out.

They can block it because there is almost always a solution to block unofficial hardware. It has just not occurred to them yet.

so basically they cannot atm, right? it's just that they want to block it. Because if you talk about furture, I could say sky3ds can release a patch that help their FC work on next FW 9.4.

 

[Deleted-188346]

I don't get it, what you said is conflicted

Nothing I said conflicted. I said that they can block piracy and homebrew in an update. The original post was implying that Nintendo has to make a choice between the two, which they don't.

they can block both but they dont do it because they have difficulty in blocking?

Exactly. They can't block the SKY3DS (yet), because they obviously haven't totally figured it out yet.

So can they block sky3ds or not?

Obviously not yet.

if not, it's conflicted too because they are a multi-billion dollar company while sky3ds is just a small team.

The size of the SKY3DS team is completely irrelevant. Hackers don't need to be billionaires to find exploits in the products of a billion-dollar company. I don't even.

 

[yunneg]

Nothing I said conflicted. I said that they can block piracy and homebrew in an update. The original post was implying that Nintendo has to make a choice between the two, which they don't.


Exactly. They can't block the SKY3DS (yet), because they obviously haven't totally figured it out yet.


Obviously not.


The size of the SKY3DS team is completely irrelevant. Hackers don't need to be billionaires to create exploits in the products of a billion-dollar company. I don't even.

Ok, now I understand what you said, thanks for the explain but I dont think hackers create exploits, as far as i know, they have to find them.

 

[Dualin]

GW come flat packed and w/o stickers attached to vendors... Your vendor just did a shitty job applying the sticker on the cart you find suspect.

The stickers don't effect it at all. Even if I remove them the SD card still sticks out slightly.

I removed the stickers from both of my gateways and found out they do use different brand micro SD slots. Old one is branded "saber" and the newer one is made by "OTAX".

 

[Oishikatta]

Ok, now I understand what you said, thanks for the explain but I dont think hackers create exploits, as far as i know, they have to find them.

In a very large and complex multi-year plan, Smea created a fake game studio and hired hundreds of people to make a horrible game called Cubic Ninja. The game was designed to be exploitable, in order to enable homebrew on the 3DS, but the release had to be significantly delayed to ensure the value of the game was very low and that it became common enough.

 

[yunneg]

In a very large and complex multi-year plan, Smea created a fake game studio and hired hundreds of people to make a horrible game called Cubic Ninja. The game was designed to be exploitable, in order to enable homebrew on the 3DS, but the release had to be significantly delayed to ensure the value of the game was very low and that it became common enough.

that's funny man! haha!

 

[mojaswag]

gw pls hurry

 

[Deleted-188346]

Ok, now I understand what you said, thanks for the explain but I dont think hackers create exploits, as far as i know, they have to find them.

I didn't mean to use the word "create". You're right, I meant find.

 

[Xzi]

Good. You do that.
But just for the record, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Absolute zero.
I also don't need to work for Nintendo (worst argument ever, by the way) to make an educated guess. Do you really think that Nintendo, a multi-billion dollar company, is unaware that 9.0-9.2 is exploitable? Do you think they'd offer the 9.0-9.2 firmwares on a silver platter to people? Of course not. Use your brain.

Finally, Nintendo doesn't have to make a choice about whether to block homebrew "instead" of piracy. They can block both, but for whatever reason did not block SKY3DS, likely because it is a hardware based solution that Nintendo may have difficulty in blocking.

TBH Nintendo has always been pretty hands-off when it comes to piracy. These days I think they mostly consider pirates an additional community of people who at least buy consoles where they wouldn't be buying any Nintendo products otherwise. You know, rather than viewing them as lost game sales.

That doesn't mean they don't actively attempt to block third-party software/exploits, but it's never felt like that was a huge part of what they do as a company. And that's part of the reason Nintendo continues to be a top-quality developer.

 

[s-arash]

Friendly Advice:
maybe some of you wants to order New 3DS / New 3DS XL from Play-asia

DO NOT ORDER NINTENDO N3DS / N3DS XL FROM PLAY-ASIA.com
their customer service is next to shit
orderd mine on Dec 03 , 3 days later my order status changed to "Hold",i checked paypal and my payment is ok
sent 4 emails to them , posted a message on their facebook page , still got no response
they dont say anything to me , just took my money and 3 Days later , changed my order status to "Hold' , which i dont know what it means and they dont answer me
4 emails + facebook post, got no answer for 4 days , and i'm still waiting cause i cant do anything more
The World Worst customer service award winner is: Play Asia

 

[tony_2018]

Maybe they vocabulistics are not like me and you.

 

[Lucifer666]

All these folks saying GW definitely doesn't work on 9.3, what's your source? A few misguided posts on the temp don't cut it

Anyway to the people wondering if Ninjahax is Gateway's entry point, no it is not since GW have stated that the new exploit doesn't need a retail game or anything