Feminists and Liberals Gets Owned by Fake Studies

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  1. SG854
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    Here are some videos that are extremely important that hilariously exposes leftist corruption in Acedemia.

    We all know that college campuses have a huge leftist bias, majority of professors are in the left, and some produces fake studies about feminism, male female differences, white hetero patriarchal oppression, and transgenderism.

    These fake studies are taught to students, and they go out into the real world to spread beliefs they learned, sometimes aggressively and using force. There is sort of a hive mind mentality.

    Then it creeps out of colleges into public life, politics, and people get fired over being politically incorrect and/or not following the dogma. Researches are afraid to speak out about leftist corruption in academia out of fear of loosing their jobs, and some even leave academia.

    We’ll there are these researchers that created fake studies and gave them to liberal feminist researchers to see if they would give it their seal of approval and publish them. And believe or not, they did.

    Some of these studies are completely ridiculous. One study about how they beat male dogs but not female dogs. And they made up statistics. And the conclusion of the study was that feminists should train men like we train dogs in order to get rid of rape culture. That if we put men on a leash that will solve our sexism problems. And this study got publish by feminist gender studies academics. And even won their award.

    Another fake study was they got a chapter of Hitlers Mein Kampf, replaced the word Jew with Hetero White Male, and gave it to feminist professors, and it got published as an academic paper! And I’m not making this up. The gender studies researchers saw this paper, it went through peer review and thought it was good to publish in Acedemic Journals. Another fake study was they can get rid of transphobia if hetero white males pleasure themselves and shove objects up their butt. And it got their A-OK approval.

    I’ve linked videos that talks about it, it’s hilarious and shows that gender studies, fat studies, hetero white cis masculinity oppression racial studies are nonsense. We have a serious problem of fake studies and leftist bias in academia. That’s people use in everyday life and it’s being taught.



     
  2. Memoir

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    You mean they teach propagandic views in public and private educational institutions? Say it ain't so!

    On a serious note, good read, fun watch.
     
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    You mention this but neglect to mention them being under fire for "experimenting on humans"?

     
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  4. Nerdtendo

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    Ben shapiro said it best, "this is incredible"
     
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    I'm in two minds on the issue. And the way the OP is structured shows why: specific examples are generalized and misrepresented in order to push an opposing narrative through our throats.

    Case in point: feminism and political tendencies are independent issues. Feminism is commonly classified as being a political left (liberal) ideology - probably because it has its roots there - but that isn't always true. The 'woman supremacy' that some self-proclaimed feminists preach or lobby towards, has far more in common with racism than with emancipation of the sexes.


    I've read an article about these fake studies as well. And it's indeed a wake-up call to see that the adacemic world isn't unbiassed. I can recall reading how some (genuine) articles were met with such criticism that they were shot down rather than investigated. And yes, these were 'politically rightwing' articles (I can't recall details, but it was about migration culture). Especially seeing now how some other articles aren't even checked for validity, this really begs the question: is the peer review system really a tool to debunk frauds and needed to find out the truth about the world...or is it a filter for political use?

    *sigh*

    I still think there are still many scholars and academics who are on the level. Who might be left- or right-leaning, but understand that this should be a CONSEQUENCE of the perception of the world, and not a way to try to create a reality. In my view (I'm left-leaning myself), the "huge left bias" is mostly because most of the right ideas can't be intellectually explained. That's why (again: still IMHO) they cater more to lower class. Better educated people point out that things like xenophobia or economic inbalance are historically proven to not work.

    As to Ben Shapiro...I gave the guy a chance to explain his ideas, but thus far, I've only seen him derange in throwing mud at opponents I didn't know. Of course he'll like this scandal: now he can say whatever he wants, and as soon as someone points out it's untrue, he can (and from what I've seen from him: also will) counter with "says who? Your biassed studies?".
     
  6. FAST6191

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    If some of them (it was noted that one was more or less a pay to publish rag) were among the higher end journals for the field though it speaks to something far deeper there.

    I am not one to write research papers (I would rather write reports or proposals, or draw up specifications) but I have knocked about with those that did in the fields I touch upon. The amount of scrutiny papers are given, the types of notes returned... peer review is no joke*, and even for the things I do people get a chance to scrutinise it before it goes high. The things these guys managed to pull off is horrendous if you are wishing for your field to maintain even a veneer of academic or scientific respectability. The push back they are getting from ethics committees also really grates -- I know I should expect rules lawyering from such people (typically combined with high end abstraction when it befits them) but the preventing embarrassment in the future (one of the aspects of the rules I see repeatedly contemplated) I can not find a way to justify for failing in such a profound way.

    *you get the occasional cello player's scrotum slip through http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/28/uk.cello.scrotum.hoax/ , and repeatability studies and flawed or methodology used narrowing the scope but it is not something one can walk in off the street (or use a word replace function of a text editor on dubious documents) to bypass.

    I would too look down upon those that dismiss things out of hand, partially because it is bad form but more because it usually more fun to try to read the studies cited and laugh at those.
     
  7. linuxares

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    Let's talk about feminism. In the roots, it was a basic simple approach. Equality. Equality is a good thing, there is of course biological difference that we can never come over, but at a side. If a woman wants a career in Welding, she should be allowed to as long as she fills the standards at the employer sets/sat. Same job should equal same pay. Simple no?

    This NEO-Feminism that it's called, is damaging and it's a control tool. It's exact same thing as the facist and communist regims use. Fear, fear and fear. Extremism in any view is bad. Plain and simple.
     
  8. Coto

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    Agreed. But let extremists take stances and go full circle... education is not just a tool or has an intellectual purpose, so it´s great to see common sense here (means things being in balance).


    We have a saying here: feminists between 18 ~ 30 yo after that is marriage lol (this is a joke)
     
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    I am all for if you can do the job then you get to play, only real reservations come for military combat units (which I am very much not for splitting standards in -- one standard) but will need to further research that -- either top down or bottom up approaches could yield interesting data there, reasoning for things varying.

    Equal pay is a tricky one, both conceptually and at enforcement. Perfectly fine with "because you are [sex] we are paying you less" or "because you are a [sex] we are not hiring you" being a thing of the past but having to try to correct for less desire to string pay/raise negotiations out gets to be tricky. Similarly how I am not supposed to reward those that put in the overtime, aggressively bring things to the company (fill in the rest of the largely male traits that bring value to the company), and at that point you tend to change it for a bonus based contract so again those working hardest get the most.
     
  10. TobiasAmaranth

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    In response to the above, don't forget that maternity leave is often ~3 months of paid vacation, and can be invoked repeatedly. So potentially, a female could get paid equal money, but for less effort. My psychiatrist is out for maternity and there's a huge chunk of time she's just not available. But imagine what would happen if this wasn't an option for these people. Some will abuse it, but the system is still needed. It's things like that, however, that end up necessitating a pay difference.
     
  11. Lucifer666

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    This thread is cancer.

    OP, please tell me more about "leftist corruption". Give me one example that has affected you or someone you know in real life beyond online articles about most likely BS extremists written in an attempt at defamation. Learning to be conscious of how not to offend different types of people is not, by any stretch of the mind, an issue.
     
  12. Clydefrosch

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    often? isn't paid maternity leave limited to like 4 or 5 states or so?
    and repeatedly also sounds wrong...

    also, i love how op thinks that people with an extreme right bias have any moral superiority over people with an extreme left bias.
    like, you know that bullshit in academics is an issue in pretty much all fields.
     
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  13. J-Machine

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    it's not corruption. It's a simple matter of not knowing how to fact check and not understanding how an argument works. Oh and I suppose a dash of frustration thrown in cause their mentality is fueled by vanity and being seen as wrong is no longer acceptable to them.
     
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    Failure at such a fundamental level to do peer reviewed scientific journal very much troubles me, and the subsequent retaliation, and poses a problem for the state of science as a whole (I don't want to see what would happen when the similar set to anti vaccine cretins arises for this sort of thing). Similarly we are seeing hiring and firing advice become some very odd things, and the fear of offending people cause all sorts of trouble for all sorts of people (see various fun and games comedians, artists of many different stripes, executives in companies, advert campaigns causing backlashes among general consumers....).

    I can't say the OP mindset is for me, and the characterisations of groups being very much wanting (or at least very modern American which always amuses when looking on as an outsider), but I reckon there is some kind of discussion which can be salvaged here (I saw this starting to unfold months ago but decided against a thread here, now it is though we might as well.).
     
  15. mattytrog

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    The left are responsible for a great deal.

    Someone who I know got fired from his teaching job in a college for holding a door open for a woman who was carrying some files.

    He opened the door and said "Come on, Love". As all of us do in UK.

    He was roasted by her for assuming her gender and dismissed for "being inappropriate" after an investigation.

    I shit you not.

    So, I make it a mission to be as politically incorrect as I can be. There are two genders. You either have an X chromosome or you have a Y chromosome.

    I filed it under "You couldn`t make it up."

    That was in 2015.
     
  16. Clydefrosch

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    I'll file it under you're either making it up or grossly misrepresenting what happened...
     
  17. mattytrog

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    Do you know what? I wish I was.
     
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  18. notimp

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    Three months old story. ;)

    OP uses the example of a study about "rape culture" between dogs. This was a famous hoax study - that was openly discussed and the people responsible for the journal that published that where publicly ridiculed.

    See: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/arts/academic-journals-hoax.html

    So there was public ridiculement as a result, which also is the better answer than to go with a radical "lets beat on higher education institutions" standpoint by the way. :)

    //

    Here is how I'd address most of the points made.

    1. Academia is left leaning. Yes, and corporations as well as its organizational structures are right leaning. ;) Problem solved. Corporations rule the world. Solution: We need more left leaning universities - respectively financing for people that dont want to enter a corporate work force directly after. ;)

    (Hint: OP is already winning. ;) )

    Lets look at whats going on here. The political right is defined as "value conservative" - meaning, they hardly want to change anything, and leave stuff the way it is - as long as it somewhat functions.

    Universities are (ideally) a place for critical thinking and incubating change concepts. Especially in the US they are largely financed by private (that is corporate) sponsorships and grants. And private debt (yay! ;) ).

    So they are kind of left leaning by design (while even usually financed by "the right".). Of course there are politics and sociology departments that are supposed to be incubation spaces for the political right as well - but thats still there and functioning. ;) Its just hard in nature, to get a university degree, and want to build a wall, right after. ;) It kind of doesnt comply.. ;)

    2. Social studies, especially recently, are in a general legitimacy crisis. Has to do with statistics, and that the principal of "reproducibility" didnt quite hold up, more often than it should have. Math was fine - but could be "fudged" too much in many cases (massaging your sample). They havent quite bounced back from that, so try to not punch them too hard on this one.. ;)

    3. "The exotic, ideological studies", where always there and part of the faculties to pronounce "diversity", but the intelligent people didn't pick them. So you could just as well argue, that people became less intelligent.. ;) Joking (I kid, I kid) aside, they always where somewhat needed to represent maybe more fringe interests/developments of society, and in the interest of having a more diverse discussion it was important to have them as well. Some work done there was good, some was exceptional, most of it was poor (sorry - opinion.. ;) ). Not many people bothered.

    -- Something happened --

    (And I'm not talking about metoo that movement was warranted.)

    And all of a sudden, all of that became the thing for millennials to virtue signal on social networks, if they wanted to be seen as socially caring on facebook. Probably their fake smiles didn't cut it anymore - or something. They needed something extra - they needed to be able to be part of, without people immediately being able to tell everyone, "they are just faking it". So minority rights for very, very small minorities was the perfect fit.

    Great for those minorities, and I really mean that. Uncynically (in contrast to the last paragraph).

    Puzzling for everyone else. Here is why.

    (This is a thesis, not a "truth")

    4. Because the social norms "switched" that quickly and without properly changing peoples minds with arguments, you can just change them back in an instance. Trump announces to "push back" on (notLG)BTQ rights (there is a newer acronym being used currently I believe, if someone wants to bring me up to speed...) and crickets, because the general public just doesnt care.

    5. If you see it in popular media (Movies, ..) thats them trying to surf on a trend. ;)

    And in case this "sticks" (which I sincerely hope for people who are part of those minorities) thats actually great as well. You literally have maybe 500th of the population being directly affected by those changes in social norms. For them its great.

    Everyone else largely is crying, that they cant have their nostalgia the ways they used to have it. In comics or movies. ;)

    To those guys and gals - you are in the right in regards to that the virtue signaling on this from parts of the left is strange and stupid.
    So this time you are the moral winners. And all that you have to do in exchange, is stomach, that maybe one of your favorite comic book figueres gets a different background story. Thats all. Its almost a win/win. ;)

    (LG)BTQ win, right wingers win for calling it overblown and being right for once. ;) And all anyone is taking from you is a comic heroes background story.

    Stop making our children more diverse, is kind of a stupid warcry to begin with. (I heard they do it with supliments in the water *trollolololol*l ;)

    Lastly. Also - yes, universities also produce, or publish bullshit. But they also have ways to filter it (peer reviews (failed in this case), scientifc canons, meta studies, reproducing findings of another study to see if they are reproducible...)

    Its kind of how science works. The more eyes you have looking at a thing, the more "valid for the timeperiod" it becomes (Canons often turned out to be wrong, but models still were useful, or still are useful, if not fully explained (think quantum physics addition to newtonian physics)).

    In this case the main issue is actually digitalization again. The entire "peer reviewed" journals thing, got highjacked by "everyone can now proclaim they are a publisher" - and people gaming this system, which puts pressure (financial, time, ...) on even established outlets and...

    If there is a system, people will game it, or as in this case - show that it will be gamed. There are other fallbacks. With social studies, less so than with other scientific fields.. ;)

    Transparancy - as in this case, is important as well (hence (even) the "center left" NYT printed it.. ;) ).
     
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  19. Memoir

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    How can one abuse maternity leave? I'd love to hear this. Also, "less work" ? Really? It's less work if the mother chooses to be irresponsible.. The restless nights, fussing, screaming, feeding, cleaning and other responsibilities.. You're serious? Not to mention the potential of medical issues.
     
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  20. notimp

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    Yeah, thats a no - you cant "abuse" maternity leave.

    Thats just insane, even in concept.

    You know how humans are made? You know that society values, that humans are made? You know that the business sector values that humans are made? You know that there is a side effect of this that somehow includes, that babies aren't fully developed, when they get birthed? You know that the process of giving birth is mentally and physically exhausting?

    We have all agreed, that you cant "abuse" maternity leave. In fact, in european countries, we give women (and later parents (can be split)) much more of it.

    But thank you for your valid attempt to argue, that the US should let in more migrants at the border. Those are workers you didn't have to pay any maternity leave for. I'd see how you'd go with immigration over subsidising the first three months after birth. Much better for the industry. I agree.
     
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