Feminists and Liberals Gets Owned by Fake Studies

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  1. notimp

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    The fight between feminists and nerds, is ultimately a "battle of the social outcasts".

    So feminism currently seems to be a little ahead and "winning". The thing is, I dont even care. ;) Never was interested in armchair sports.. ;)

    I'm posting, this, because by now I've seen the video, and laughed about the long row of slightly overweight men with BBQ spatulas in their hands pronouncing "boys will be boys". (And specifically not "men will be men".)

    Thats marketing egging you on to be outraged. And you were. And then society didn't care. But people wrote that you have something against children with aspirational hopes and glinty eyes (final image of the ad).

    Playing off minorities against minorities is stupid.

    The subtext in this ad was basically - fat people should work out, doing garden BBQ's is not high value behavior, and listen to your friend that tells you that catcalling is not ok. Buy Gilette. ;)

    Same as it ever was. Society agrees. :)

    The children with them tears in their eyes are a new addition to the Gillette "repertoire", so is the "don't look away - shame a friend" concept, but hey - marketing people have to do something to earn their living too.. ;)
     
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    Here is a startup with the mission statement to fight "broism":


    Mouth open. Don't know what to say yet. :)

    edit: But people he talks to think of them as a charity initiative, and ask themselves "is this idea good enough". Still - lost for words.

    He then tells them, there is a fantastic financial arbitrage opportunity there. (Paraphrased.) Mouth just opened a bit more.

    (Still watching for the stories of the others though.)

    Rest of the panel was good, I can recommend watching it.
     
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    If you ever need help getting someone, or yourself out of a "all women are evil feminists" loop (not implying that feminism is evil), watch this clip.

    https://streamable.com/p0p5w

    It doesnt get better than that. The editor was a freaking genius. :)
    (I just shortened the clip slightly.)

    edit: Dont watch it loop, that ruins the effect. ;)
     
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    This sounds like they found one of those "pay-to-publish" publishers and used their shadiness to leverage a particular result which was then twisted and misrepresented. This is only an "ahhah!" thing if you don't really know how this sort of thing works. when you only have a vague understanding of how these things works, you can be exploited and lead to believe all sorts of dumb things.

    The manipulation machine on the extreme right has been working overtime. Kids grew up with their parents watching fox news, and have been mislead about how the world works. Public education didn't help them break through it, and they haven't gotten to a point they can question it themselves. facts gave way to anger and perception. It's very annoying. And very much a problem.
     
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    Okay and Ben Shapiro is a weak man who's scared of gay dudes, so what's your point?
     
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    This thread is old, my opinions have shifted since then.


    Are you talking about Transsexual being classified as a mental disorder? That’s how it’s classified in the medical field. And being classified as that helps get funding from the government to help trans pay for medical stuff. If it wasn’t called a disorder then surgery would be classified as cosmetic similar to plastic surgery or a boob job and trans would have to pay full price out of pocket.
     
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    edit: Better suited to the Spank Children thread: Moved the content of this posting there.
     
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  8. osaka35

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    Nah, that was back in 1987. The science has come a long way since then, as well as our understanding of underlying reasons. It's just a thing, it's not a disorder to be corrected.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_transsexual_people
     
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    I wouldn’t trust Wikipedia for that rather an expert in the field.


    It’s still classified as a disorder. How they use the terms Medically is different from common every day colloquial use.



    Transgenderism is an umbrella term and not the same as transsexualism.

    Milder versions Gender dysphoria is classified as a disorder in the DSM 5.

    Transsexualism is the extreme form of gender dysphoria and is definitely a mental disorder.


    Them removing Transsexualism/Gender Identity Disorder from the DSM and replaced it with gender dysphoria does not mean that transsexualism is no longer consider a mental disorder. This is a common mistake people make. The name change had a lot to do with making people happy to avoid the word disorder.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1129395850176815104

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1127286054858502152
     
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    @osaka35 Dr. Blanchard is also not a nobody. He has high credentials in the trans research. He contributed to the DSM 5 which was in the link you gave.

    He explains in this interview why it’s a mistake people make with the removal of transsexualism that it’s somehow not considered a disorder anymore. And that activists holds contradictory views that milder levels of gender dysphoria is considered a mental disorder in DSM 5, but somehow transsexualism is not.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/ray-blanchard-transgender-orthodoxy/amp/
     
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    finding one person with a phd who keeps it old-school isn't a strong argument. (edit) I'll check out his arguments in a bit, but i suspect they're not exactly saying what you think they're saying.

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

    that may satisfy your needs a bit more if you're looking for more technical wording.

    wikipedia tends to be more simply and straightforwardly written, making it a good primer for a longer discussion. it, at any rate, generay outlines the current held belief.

    and if you're getting this technical, it's probably important to establish what's meant by "disorder" and "mental disorder". it's going to be understood colloquially differently than what's actually intended.

    for instance, some folks will take "it's a mental disorder" to mean feeling that way means you are broken. that every step along the process, no matter the resolution or end-point, means you're "wrong" or "broken" . it's important to make the distinction between what is understood and what is, because topics on mental states are harshly misunderstood and misrepresented.
     
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    A mental disorder is something that causes high distress or negative outcomes in a persons life.

    There’s a lot of people that use pop psychology where they read an internet article and think they can diagnose people, but that’s not how that works. There is a lot of nuance involved that only experts can properly measure.


    Just because someone checks out on all the bullet points on the list of disorders doesn’t mean they have that disorder because of one missing ingredient which is it has to cause a negative effect on life. If it doesn’t negatively affect a persons life then it’s not a disorder no matter how perfectly someone fits a mental disorder description.
     
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    i usually see it used as a tool to discredit people's worth or value, to show they're "broken" or "wrong" for being a certain way. i've seen people think transgendered folks are liars or something XD.

    it is a fun topic, i just don't want anyone confusing a technical assessment as validation for...poor behaviour.
     
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    Ya, for sure. But transsexualism is definitely a disorder since it’s the extreme form of gender dysphoria.



    Blanchard also explains in the interview trying to get young kids to see if they accept their biological sex is probably the best thing they can do for the child that can benefit since around 60-80% of kids normalize their gender when they get older even without medical intervention. Trying to muddy things with Misinformation and liberal propaganda, trying to influence treatment for cases of kids that will do better on the long term by just simply accepting their anatomical sex.


    And that the trans activist community trying to discourage parents from doing this with using words like “conversion therapy” to describe that situation is a cynical strategy since that is not comparable to “pray the gay away” to kids that think they are trans. That’s just the trans activists trying to piggy back off the success of the gay rights movement.
     
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