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FBI busts neo-Nazi for CP, grooming and exploiting children
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Only as long as they support him directly or he can get them the fuck out of the US. And this might be a shock to you but the Nazis exterminated a lot more people than just Jews, the Jews were just priority Nr 1.
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/te...ws--during-rosh-hashanah--the-jewish-new-year
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/17/trump-history-antisemitic-tropes/
I don't think identifying sex pests is an obscure notion, and being a pest is already a point of abuse. While seek and destroy is one method that may discourage others from being detectable, here's looking at your rhetoric, it doesn't concern itself with root causes.
My argument is that not only is the two-party system government is failing on this front, it leverages on the divergence it is helping to create. A solution to that would be far more effective. "Think of the children" is a platitude, a tool--feigned interest to gain entry. Both sides use it. Their exploits, generally, come from different angles.
I don't need your "clarification". I don't need your rationalization of how you live with yourself. You want to shelter yourself under an ideology of "acceptance", but you are a furry and you promote it on this site. Good thing children don't visit here.
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I'm really glad that the person being both actively smug and wrong is the one absent of anyone agreeing with them. Stuff like that makes me feel happier about the world, even on a small scale.
I'm talking about @tabzer, by the way.
Also, why the hell did they just bring furry culture into this out of nowhere? Couldn't tell you.
I'm talking about @tabzer, by the way.
Also, why the hell did they just bring furry culture into this out of nowhere? Couldn't tell you.
It's literally @RAHelllord's thing. You can't tell? He just doesn't call "it" that. Calling it a "culture" makes it sound like an achievement.
Happy to be wrong to you on that front.
If you're still one of the morons that still believes furry culture is entirely a sex thing, I can't help you there. It's not
Right--The sexuality is only a part. The mindset of one who rationalizes it is seeped in concealment and dehumanization. It's a debasing rhetoric that parallels Clinton's "is, is" formula.
Don't you understand that sometimes people enjoy the anonymity and peace of mind that comes with wearing a funny animal costume? Although it's popular in neurodivergent spaces so it's possible you'd struggle to empathize. I'm neurodivergent (autistic specifically), not a furry, and I still respect the hell out of them. There's a difference between that and dehumanizing someone. Isn't it extremely humanizing to be able to let go of your inhibitions and just enjoy something like that, meeting up with friends dressed as your favorite animal? The only reason it's seen as worse than stuff like Halloween costumes are the years of misinformation that were spread.
Sorry to jump in here, but it seems like a point where I can ask some questions I'm curious about here too.
I understand the desire for anonymity, but why is it always animal masks? And they're always the same style of semi-cartoony faces. Why not realistic animal heads?
Why not different famous people masks? Everyone walking around with Taylor Swift and Young Brad Pitt masks? Favorite video game characters? Not just that, but those costumes must cost TONS and are extremely unwieldly to carry around.
I mean, since the scene is there and people want to join, go for it. These are just the thoughts that jump around my head. Sorry for the COMPLETE divergence from the topic of the thread.
I understand parts of that. I question the value of anonymity and I don't relate to the act.
It's self-dehumanizing, and as it is validated it becomes a part of the rhetoric--in turn, dehumanizing of people in general.
It's liberating to being able to let go of inhibitions and enjoy something. It's not "humanizing" to conceal part of your humanity to enhance baser instincts.
I wouldn't say it's worse than Halloween costumes. It is worse as per the measures that "it's not popular" or "socially acceptable".
If I had to take a guess, Time magazine was just woefully off with their estimate. 192,000 in 2020 is down to about 140,000 specifically living in Israel (Since they're all old as heck and are dying off at a fast rate). There are about 80,000 living in the US. Others are living in different countries around the world.
Ah yes more vague answers to direct questions because God forbid you actually present something solid for once.
You specifically say "sex pests" instead of "sex offender", what's the difference in your mind? How do you plan on tracking them if they haven't yet gone through the legal system to be labeled a sex offender?
There are multiple open bills currently being blocked by Republicans that would help address those things, none of the republican bills in that area of legislation have any precedent in other nations that they would help address any part of the issue. Quite the contrary most of those Republican proposals have direct precedence of making things worse for victims of sexual abuse.
But BoTh SiDeS.
I promote it on this site? You're the person that brought it up, which means you saw my profile picture and decided to bring it up because you can't have a discussion without an ad hominem or trying to discredit another person's character instead of actually dealing with their arguments.
Also, my avatar is a playable character race (Worgen) from World of Warcraft, wearing a space suit from Elite: Dangerous (as is the emblem in the background), and having a watermelon colored meow wow from Kingdom Hearts taped to the horns. The horns are also a warlock clothing item from WoW. My avatar on here is a lot more relevant to a gaming forum than yours.
Good Lord what the fuck are you repressing in your mind there? Never actually mind that question, unpack that with a licensed therapist. I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole.
Playing make believe as a fully sapient person with fur and tail is now dehumanizing, folks. Next up tabzer learns that humans are just furless apes with anxiety and calculus.
Fur suits are generally big and cartoony to help with proportions, cost, and avoiding the uncanny valley effect. Since there's a person inside and they need space to move around in the proportions would never be able to match those of real animals, and as such going in on exaggerating them helps make the costume look more coherent. They're also much easier to produce and later care for.
I don't own one, and have no plans on changing that, but that's what I've seen other people's thoughts are.
As for anonymity, the point isn't to pretend to be one of many or to pretend to be someone else, but to be themselves with a layer of protection towards other people. The individual is still there but presented differently, so to speak. They don't want to be other people, they want to be themselves in a different coat of paint, or coat of fur more precisely. It's like other cosplay but for your own characters instead of one from someone else (big franchise or otherwise).
Also fluffy is good, there's a pretty big chunk of people where that is basically the main draw.
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Being pro-Israel doesn't really mean someone isn't antisemitic, and the same with being against Israel. Being against Israel does not make someone antisemitic. I've met literal neo-Nazis who are pro-Israel because they are Evangelicals that believe Israel existing will bring on the End of Days. I have Jewish friends who are against Israel due to their treatment of Palestine and or because it mostly exists because Evangelicals believe it will bring on the End of Days. The point is, that one's status toward Israel does not always reflect one's views on Judaism.
I was going to say that they could still do a humanoid character who isn't from a big franchise, but then that would also take out the fur part of the appeal.
I think Tabzer is right in thinking in that it was originally a very sexual thing when the internet was just beginning. The only time you'd see furries is when their porn videos or fan-fic stories online. And there's still a LOT of that online today. Over time, there has been more of a branching out to make it more of a gathering of like-minded people who enjoy it as a hobby.
Whatever works really. As long as it's between consenting adults.
Actually the furry fandom started well before the internet and it was as "sexual" back then as it is today, it is for some and it isn't for others. Though considering most adults are interested in sex the venn diagram has a definite and significant overlap. There's also been a lot of pushback from certain religious people to label furries as the same type of sexual deviant as members of the LGBTQIA+ community, just have a look at all the slander homosexuals had to endure a couple decades back, where people tried to label them as rapists and child groomers for just existing.
If you're curious, some of the oldest known human made artifacts show anthropomorphic animals (Source), and documented theater plays involving people pretending to be animals go as far back as ancient greece. Hell, most of our German fables and stories involve animals with human characteristics, talking and thinking like people.
It's been going on for a long time now, it's just now getting easier for the weirdos to find and organize themselves.
Why do you think that waiting for crime to happen and then responding to it is going to prevent it? Why put the onus on kids to protect themselves instead of fostering a community where they aren't exposed to it?
The gridlock of American politics is undeniable. The right doesn't want the crazies of the left, and the left doesn't want the crazies of the right. If Republicans just disappeared from the equation, the Democrats would eat themselves, and its children. If Democrats disappeared, the Republicans would eat themselves, and its children. Republicans tend to be overt in their approach, while Democrats are subvert. It is a two party problem that can be alleviated with additional parties, or streamlined issue-based voting systems, more transparency, or maybe even the complete removal of privacy. There are many things that could be done to actually demonstrate an interest in affecting real change. Maintaining the gridlock as the issues become more extreme does not. Your position either helps maintain the gridlock, or is in favor of a one party government. As for the latter, we saw with your country, it's not sustainable.
Exposing children to "early and comprehensive sex education", needs oversight. The "there's pedos, that's why" argument sounds self-fulfilling and doesn't seem interested in researching and addressing conditions that create abusers. "They are a fact of life", you say. Will that be apart of their lesson, too? How far do you want to take the indoctrination? How is that not considered grooming? Because you think it's correct? Maybe they can go on field trips to the pride parades and watch the adults "progressively" test the social acceptability of public fornication under the guise of the, absolutely positive, virtue of tolerance. There is a reason there is pushback, and it's not because people against it are bad. It's because people don't want to raise kids the same way you think they should be raised.
Teaching kids how to protect themselves from strangers and abusers doesn't need to be a "a comprehensive sex education" topic. It needs to be a "boundaries/self-preservation/agency" topic. If families and communities aren't responsible for their children, I can see why you think it is a government's duty, but "sex grooming 101" is shit.
Your logic about how "sex is just like talking to people online, people are just animals, children can consent" is what really clicked about the furry connection, btw.
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How do you think you're going to reduce crime to zero? You plan on going to just create a crime free utopia, something that has been attempted countless times and quite literally has never been achieved in human history.
Yeah, I'm skeptical that it'll happen during our life times or even far in the future, hence why mitigation is important. And giving kids venues to know how to get help is one of those.
Oh look, more extremist BS from you. Of course you would be in favor of a complete removal of privacy because all you know is crippling fear.
Also, at no point did I say I was for a single party government, and I'm not for one either. The current republican party needs to be dismantled, and an actually left party should be established considering even the democratic party is center right.
Your argument is effectively we should be okay with a literal nazi party and a right-wing party, because if the nazi party goes away everything gets worse. You are completely delusional how things work.
Have you ever been outside? We already have libraries full of research into what creates abuse and how abusers generally work. We have already developed well working tools to help mitigate their activities.
"Self-fulfilling prophecy" because abusers exist. LMAO
Also no, education about reality is neither grooming nor indoctrination, nor is teaching how to stay safe in any given situation. You are literally now at the point of just throwing around buzz words you can't even comprehend anymore.
You are literally off your fucking rocker if you believe that is actually happening in real life, or that I am in favor of this. Is this what you fantasize about at night?
Adult only pride events exist, children are not allowed at those, even at those parties public sex is illegal. If a parent brings their kid to one of those events it's not the event's fault.
In order on how to identify signs of being groomed a child is going to need context, and that context comes from sex ed. "Comprehensive" also still means age appropriate and it would be built onto with every additional grade.
This is how it has worked in Germany for many, many decades and unlike you we actually have largely a healthy understanding of how our bodies work.
Maybe for once in your life actually look up a lesson plan or something before forming an opinion. How to do it in a healthy way has been pretty well hammered out for a long time now.
And again, statistics very much show that a lot of grooming of children into sexual abuse is performed by close family members of the child, or other people of authority in the child's direct vicinity. Ensuring there is a central location that teaches a standardized version ensures every single kid is up to speed, and can't be preyed upon by the guardians that should instead protect them. What's your solution? Waiting 20 years until the kid talks to other adult friends and suddenly finds out that Uncle Touchy's basement games weren't actually child appropriate? Because we hear those stories all the fucking time and I am sick of them. And people like you are the reason they keep showing up, and will continue to show up.
And yet another great example about how you can neither read nor comprehend basic english. You should petition the government to give you a legal guardian because clearly you're borderline illiterate.
I made the mistake of pointing out that teenagers can legally consent to other teenagers of roughly the same age (on the topic of abortion not even being allowed in cases of teen pregnancies as a result of rape) and the big brain over there immediately thought I meant children can consent to sex with adults. And he's been riding my dick over this BS interpretation of his for half the thread now.
And apparently the rest is just that he's uncomfortable that there are people able to talk about sex freely and that humans are part of the animal kingdom (Primates, specifically).
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