DSi Hacking IDEAS

Discussion in 'NDS - Emulation and Homebrew' started by RiderLeangle, Nov 3, 2009.

  1. RiderLeangle
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    Before you get your hopes up.. there is no DSi hack.. I only made this topic to share a couple of concepts I thought of, these concepts are untested and have not been proven to be possible.. Anyways.. Both concept involve some sort of buffer overflow from content on the SD card to possibly get it to read other files, this is unconfirmed if this is remotely possible...

    1st Concept:
    Sound File hacks..
    Is it possible to make a specially encoded AAC file to be played in the standard player app? possibly one that opens up the SD card to see other files on the SD card, seeing your own pictures, play ROMs (Homebrew, I don't advise piracy.. But I'm not against it either..), and possibly install a homebrew channel if possible once the DSi's operation is figured out.

    2nd Concept:
    Flipnote alteration..
    Similar to the first concept. Although as opposed to sound files use Flipnote Studio (Free on DSiWare) files saved to the SD card, edit that, and then put it back on with these hypothetical hacks allowing you to use them.



    Sorry if these theories are a bit out there since I don't have hacking experience, but I'm trying to give ideas to people who do and are working on the DSi in hopes homebrew could be made and readily available soon without a flashcart or editing save files of a commercial cart
     


  2. evandixon

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    3rd concept:
    Bannerbomb DS...
     
  3. Rayder

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    You can bet that if either of those ideas are possible, some experienced hacker is working on it. My guess is that neither is possible (or at least no where near that simple) to achieve, otherwise the DSi would have already been hacked.

    Besides, once some exploit eventually does get made, then Ninty will just issue a firmware update to stop it.
     
  4. Hatsu

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    1st concept sounds easier!

    (omg pun)
     
  5. RiderLeangle
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    Not that different considering both methods are pretty much buffer overflows which in a sense bannerbomb is. If anything that one sounds like it'd be harder to pull off than the sound one, might be easier than the FNS one.
     
  6. Inunah

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    23rd concept:
    Mind Control DS
     
  7. SifJar

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    bannerbomb - probably unlikely for quite a while seeing as channels will have to be completely reversed and the banner format reversed and examined, and the system menu examined for banner handling flaws, all of which would take a while.

    sound - probably unlikely, i believe most sound formats are pretty stable, and AAC was probably chosen because its not a "standard" format like MP3, so is probably harder to make exploits for. This is also probably the main reason there is only one format supported, so there is less chance of one of the supported formats being exploitable

    flipnote studio - the format of animations will have to be figured out, and examined, but seeing as it is a new format, made specifically for flipnote (or is it??? it could just be gif or something with a few extra bits tacked on, like different header and stuff), its possible it could have bugs, more so than established formats like AAC and stuff. I'd say this is probably the most likely exploit.

    TBH, the most likely exploit is probably a save game exploit for DSiWare, as it will be easy to install a hacked game save (once someone makes one), unlike with cartridge based games, and it doesn't require reverse engineering of a particular file format. but I dunno, i could be way out on that one.
     
  8. soulx

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    Everything and the kitchen sink! [​IMG] In all seriousness I wouldn't mind the ability to play DS games on the menu and take photos from the computer and put them on the DSi!
     
  9. Quick-zeno

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    Well, the sound one is quiet possible to make a system crash, I could possibly do that but wouldn't be able to incorporate the booting of a homebrew file.

    Alot of these exploit ideas /could/ be possible, the time to actually pull them off.
     
  10. YayMii

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    PSP .tif hack, anyone?
     
  11. YayMii

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    Oh wait, what about the hack Yasu made that uses the DSi Photo Channel?
     
  12. RiderLeangle
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    If you watch the videos you'll find out that's not what he did.. notice in hello world that the thing that has the pictures at the top is the thing that tells you how to put pictures on the top screen in the menu when you don't have any stared but in Japanese. And in the brief moment you can see the camera app is NOT the one it's on and when you press power and reset it to the menu it has it from the last app open, where his was was from the cartridge (or whatever he moved into that zone)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaKxWSENwGo
     
  13. SifJar

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    DSi can only display jpgs, and it can only display ones taken by DSi camera. They can be swapped between DSis, but you cannot add custom pictures.
     
  14. RiderLeangle
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    Well I made an accidental discovery that could probably help.
    Apparently the sound channel can play .mp4 videos (well... only the sound, but it still opens them).
    Maybe that means a .mp4 hack can be made and the DSi sound channel can open it? Because MP4 is a much easier file type to mess with than AAC files are.
     
  15. jackdanielchan

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    Hmmm... MP4, is it anyspecific kind like adjusted for iPod etc.?
     
  16. jeremy506

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    The DSi was released this year, so Nintendo will probaly make a firmware update and screw it up so we can hack it.. and new extenctions will be revealed.
     
  17. Jamstruth

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    AAC was chosen because its an open format while MP3 requires a license or something like that. Its only a small amount per console but Nintendo are being cheap obviously.
     
  18. Christopher8827

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    Yeah - Nintendo could easily add another music codec (mp3) to the DSi.
     
  19. jeremy506

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    Can users not hide files within pictures?

     
  20. WioWao

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    But SC you forgot that the DSi wont recognize pictures not taken by itself [​IMG]