do you think Trump sealed his own fate?

[Xzi]

Surely you didn't just say there are "just" wars and then try to hit a moral high note by comparing these facilities to "internment camps".

Some of them are literally internment camps. Tent cities surrounded by barbed wire fences in the middle of the desert. But I'm sure you'll find a way to dismiss that since you're treating this like rooting for sports teams.

By the way, most of these children were brought over by parents who are repeat offenders trying to get into the country.

Excuses and deflection. This is not a good reason for separating families. There is no good reason for it, and if you believe there is, you've lost all common sense and morality.

Again, no war is justified

The Civil War? Revolutionary War? WWII? You're willing to defend imprisoning children, but you can't think of one historical example where war brought about positive change?

 

[digipimp75]

No, Trump is king. All hail him.

 

[Xzi]

No, Trump is king. All hail him.

If he wants to keep acting like a king from Game of Thrones, it's about time he was killed off like one.

Trump has the ability to stop family separation immediately. "AP Sources: Homeland Security secretary drafting order to end family separation at border; unclear if Trump will sign it."

https://www.apnews.com/dc1a01eb312f...tion-at-border;-unclear-if-Trump-will-sign-it

 

[Hanafuda]

If he wants to keep acting like a king from Game of Thrones, it's about time he was killed off like one.

Trump has the ability to stop family separation immediately. "AP Sources: Homeland Security secretary drafting order to end family separation at border; unclear if Trump will sign it."

https://www.apnews.com/dc1a01eb312f...tion-at-border;-unclear-if-Trump-will-sign-it

Well, Trump did sign it. Should have been addressed by the Legislative branch, but Schumer wouldn't get on board with a GOP-sponsored fix. Now that Trump has signed the order ending family separation for illegal alien detainees, the opposition is already complaining now that this means the kids stay in detention with their family members, i.e. moved goalposts.

 

[Xzi]

Well, Trump did sign it. Should have been addressed by the Legislative branch, but Schumer wouldn't get on board with a GOP-sponsored fix. Now that Trump has signed the order ending family separation for illegal alien detainees, the opposition is already complaining now that this means the kids stay in detention with their family members, i.e. moved goalposts.

No, it should've been addressed by Trump from the beginning, it was his administration's policy change and he always had the ability to instantly change it again. I guarantee that many of the parents will never see their kids again despite the policy change after this amount of time. Further, this still amounts to a hostage situation for partisan political gain funded by taxpayer dollars. It was inherently wrong in the first place, it's just slightly less wrong now.

 

[Hanafuda]

No, it should've been addressed by Trump from the beginning, it was his administration's policy change and he always had the ability to instantly change it again. I guarantee that many of the parents will never see their kids again despite the policy change after this amount of time. Further, this still amounts to a hostage situation for partisan political gain funded by taxpayer dollars. It was inherently wrong in the first place, it's just slightly less wrong now.

I'll say it again .. criminals go to jail every damned day and their kids don't go with them. Entering a foreign nation illegally is a crime, so these people have been taking the same risk as any criminal all along. It was their decision.

 

[Xzi]

I'll say it again .. criminals go to jail every damned day and their kids don't go with them. Entering a foreign nation illegally is a crime, so these people have been taking the same risk as any criminal all along. It was their decision.

It's a federal misdemeanor. Each president sets the policy on how to treat individual cases. Previously they'd simply deport families together at worst. That's the simple, cost-saving solution. They might spend a little time in processing, but there's never been a need to set up re-purposed Wal-Marts or fenced tent cities as detention centers.

 

[BeniBel]

These kind of threads give me a headache. Truth is, Trump is the best president, he's the worst president and he's everything in between. All for one simple reason, he's human. What he thinks is right, doesn't apply for all people, because morals are different for anyone.
Even if you believe there are only two sides in life, left or right, there is no denying he did good and bad according to both sides. The lefties for example can't deny he did an amazing job with North Korea, unorthodox as his way of getting there was.

Reason we are seeing Hitler as a monster, is because he lost the war. Don't forget a lot of people supported his way of thinking (some of them still do), and should he have won the war, people would have saw him as a true hero. Truth is, bad as Hitler was, he also did good things in his life. And while he was a monster in today's society, it was thanks to a lot of countries like the US and England he even had a chance to become just that. I would suggest the youngsters reading up on what happened after WW I.

But getting back on topic. Hitler and Trump have in common that they both are the leader of a big nation. But none of the things Trump has done come any close to that of Hitler. Please be careful with such remarks, as they might mock our past.

Trump is getting bashed on a lot, and the truth is, he loves it. Most people bashing him are from outside the US, and can't vote. The more he gets bashed, the more media coverage he gets and the more popular he gets along his own fan base. So yes, he will be president till the end of his term, and most likely will get re-elected. He's not gonna start world war 3, not gonna destroy the economy or any other crazy fears out there.

 

[Viri]

Watching people ree about Trump is my personal favorite thing about this section.

Also, I wish people would stop comparing everyone they dislike to Hitler. It's pretty insulting to Jews.

 

[Lacius]

I'll say it again .. criminals go to jail every damned day and their kids don't go with them. Entering a foreign nation illegally is a crime, so these people have been taking the same risk as any criminal all along. It was their decision.

In this case, do you personally believe the punishment fits the crime?

 

[the_randomizer]

Watching people ree about Trump is my personal favorite thing about this section.

Also, I wish people would stop comparing everyone they dislike to Hitler. It's pretty insulting to Jews.

Remember, on the internet, it's wrong to have a different opinion. The second someone has a different belief system, opinion, etc, they are all called Hitler, apparently.

Oppose immigration? You're Hitler
Oppose Planned Parenthood? You're Hitler
Oh and my favorite: Oppose liberal agendas? You're Hitler

According to the mass media and internet keyboard warrriors

 

[Xzi]

Watching people ree about Trump is my personal favorite thing about this section.

Also, I wish people would stop comparing everyone they dislike to Hitler. It's pretty insulting to Jews.

Who's comparing him to Hitler? Trump's closest parallels are Hoover and Nixon. Not that either of these is a favorable comparison for a president.

 

[the_randomizer]

Who's comparing him to Hitler? Trump's closest parallels are Hoover and Nixon.

The internet, I've seen many posts online that called him Hitler

 

[Hanafuda]

In this case, do you personally believe the punishment fits the crime?

It rarely does, but if your question is do I think parents who illegally cross borders with their children are risking that they might get separated from them, then yeah obviously. Definitely.

 

[Lacius]

It rarely does, but if your question is do I think parents who cross borders with their children are risking that they might get separated from them, then yeah obviously. Definitely.

I'm asking if you think they should be separated from their children.

 

[Xzi]

The internet, I've seen many posts online that called him Hitler

He is one person to institute internment camps for a different nationality, but it's not the best comparison since we also had Japanese internment camps instituted by an American president. Thus Hoover is the better comparison.

 

[Hanafuda]

I'm asking if you think they should be separated from their children.

And I'm saying they assumed that risk when they decided to bring their kids along for a criminal act. Social services take kids away from people all the time for poor parenting.

 

[the_randomizer]

He is one person to institute internment camps for a different nationality, but it's not the best comparison since we also had Japanese internment camps instituted by an American president. Thus Hoover is the better comparison.

Fair enough I guess

 

[crimpshrine]

He's done a pretty good job at destroying the country so far though.

Care to elaborate how you think Trump is responsible for destroying this country? From my vantage point that is not the case.

If you look back through recent history (50+ years) we have lost more and more personal freedom over the years. Part of what defines America as being a great country to me, is what brought people to this country to begin with. (Freedom) I personally feel that America is not better off from this progression, and it has nothing to do with Trump. We got to this point from both parties.

If you take metrics on different aspects of the state of America, I don't believe he has destroyed anything other than things related to himself directly. (Opinions possibly of him) But this country? hah.

 

[Xzi]

We got to this point from both parties.

Trump might blame the Democrats for all his terrible decisions, but it's absolutely ridiculous to hear it coming from someone else. We got to this point from Fox News Republicans pushing the idea that ignorance is equivalent to knowledge. That's how you get a reality TV star (conman) as president, not because of anything Obama or the Democrats did.