Hacking DIOS MIOS! GC ISO Loader proof of concept (Starfox Assault)

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The sad thing is it's most likely pirates that are not going to crack the AP. People do it just to show that it can be done whether they are pirates or not (wasn't that how this GC loader became possible)?
 

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I generally agree that this shouldn't be such a debate. The amount of skill to get this working alone is a major deterrent to normal pirates.
 

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Kayot said:
I generally agree that this shouldn't be such a debate. The amount of skill to get this working alone is a major deterrent to normal pirates.

What are you talking about!? What you said doesn't make any sense...

Your other posts are benine "follow the crowd" kind of mush too.

Anyways...back on topic of AP. Nobody has really ansewered the charge that adding AP measures is a completely retarded thing to do - ZERO respect for being such a prick if you ask me. Nobody benefits from it, most importantly of all Nintendo don't.

As I posted earler GC games aren't a revenue stream for Nintendo...wtf is he doing adding it!
 

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robo989 said:
Kayot said:
I generally agree that this shouldn't be such a debate. The amount of skill to get this working alone is a major deterrent to normal pirates.

What are you talking about!? What you said doesn't make any sense...

Your other posts are benine "follow the crowd" kind of mush too.

Anyways...back on topic of AP. Nobody has really ansewered the charge that adding AP measures is a completely retarded thing to do - ZERO respect for being such a prick if you ask me. Nobody benefits from it, most importantly of all Nintendo don't.

As I posted earler GC games aren't a revenue stream for Nintendo...wtf is he doing adding it!

If you have such a problem with that, leave it alone, nobody will force you to use DIOS MIOS. Maybe Crediar just wants to "nag" people like you, who knows? It doesn't matter, he wants it that way, so he does it, i doubt anybody at GBAtemp has the persuasive skills to change his mind.
 

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He did say that one of his reasons was to use this free alternative to undercut the sales of devices like WODE that profit off of piracy. And it seems like that's a pretty good way to go about it.
 

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FenrirWolf said:
He did say that one of his reasons was to use this free alternative to undercut the sales of devices like WODE that profit off of piracy. And it seems like that's a pretty good way to go about it.

If the WODE would support audio streams, it would be superior. Seriously, what the fuck? They released a deviced from which >50% of the people thought "nice, now i can play my gamecube games from usb too".

Anyways, i don't see how DIOS MIOS will lower the profit of the WODE if it really only works with retail discs you can get your hands on. I know i sound like the MAFIA, but the WODE is virtually 100% used for piracy.
 

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WiiPower said:
FenrirWolf said:
He did say that one of his reasons was to use this free alternative to undercut the sales of devices like WODE that profit off of piracy. And it seems like that's a pretty good way to go about it.

If the WODE would support audio streams, it would be superior. Seriously, what the fuck? They released a deviced from which >50% of the people thought "nice, now i can play my gamecube games from usb too".
Well I asked them about that and it seems that audio streaming needs quite a few additional traces and they didn't have enough pins on the FPGA left to this and include a drivechip (flotmod style) mode in the chip, without using a bigger and more expensive FPGA. They decided to go with the drivechip option, which I can kinda understand since more people will want that.
 

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WiiPower said:
FenrirWolf said:
He did say that one of his reasons was to use this free alternative to undercut the sales of devices like WODE that profit off of piracy. And it seems like that's a pretty good way to go about it.

If the WODE would support audio streams, it would be superior. Seriously, what the fuck? They released a deviced from which >50% of the people thought "nice, now i can play my gamecube games from usb too".

Anyways, i don't see how DIOS MIOS will lower the profit of the WODE if it really only works with retail discs you can get your hands on. I know i sound like the MAFIA, but the WODE is virtually 100% used for piracy.

This is 100% correct about wode and the piracy it's used for... but doesn't sneek do the same thing free of charge with backups on the wii side right now
so why use antipiracy on the gc side seriously which way is that going???

This is starting to remind me of tinyload by marcan a loader which only works with originals why???? But hey guess i'll have to dust off the few gc originals
in attic in a month good timez....

All in all the cmios comes from wan who did not block anything and even gave the source out for others to make their own and now we get this just plain
wrong.......
 

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gisel213 said:
All in all the cmios comes from wan who did not block anything and even gave the source out for others to make their own and now we get this just plain
wrong.......
lolwut.
 

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tueidj said:
gisel213 said:
All in all the cmios comes from wan who did not block anything and even gave the source out for others to make their own and now we get this just plain
wrong.......
lolwut.

saw that avatar offtopic thought deadlyfoez was back...
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gisel213 said:
This is 100% correct about wode and the piracy it's used for... but doesn't sneek do the same thing free of charge with backups on the wii side right now
so why use antipiracy on the gc side seriously which way is that going???
Just guessing here but for me this difference would be significant

Free GC piracy is not possible right now.
Only payed modchips can do that atm.

Free Wii piracy on the other hand was possible before sneek and still is without it.
From my experience most pirate actually regard sneek as inferior.
 

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knuj_on said:
I am willing to be educated so please comment if I have anything wrong as this was told to me by someone who likes gamecube games.

There is no way to buy a new gamecube game, so you have to buy second hand. Most people who have good gamecube games hang on to them so good condition games worth playing don’t come up that often. So you have no choice but to buy whatever is being sold and hope it plays.

He did this and went to the expense of having the disks professionally re-surfaced, but some still did not play. He knew I was experimenting with statistical data recovery from optical media (magnetic media is not new, the techniques go back to the 1960’s when banks had to be able to read tapes) but it is difficult to get to the 1’s and 0’s on the media. The 3 unplayable disks he game me took an average of 8 elapsed days to construct an image of the disk.

When burned, these backups played perfectly, so he gave me the rest of his collection which backed up in an average of 2 hours each. The originals would play if you inserted them several times but had random crashes and again the backups played perfectly.

The hard drive on his Wii is starting to show old age failures, and new drives do not play backups so this looked ideal. If most people have disks which don’t read perfectly they can’t use this because of the AP measures, so the only choice is a hardware solution. Thus the AP measures only hurt people with legitimate copies as it does not prevent “rent, rip & return”, so is counter productive.

Did you do any checksum comparisons on your images with places like redump.org or compare them to any of OneUp's claimed 1:1 dumps? Just wondering.

Also, since they're backups your friend obviously has some way of playing them, so why not just download them and skip the 2 hour (or more) hassle of having you create each one (even if he feels that he still needs to buy them so he'll still be able to get into heaven - although I forget if you're even legally allowed to make your own backups in the US, but if you are, I'm pretty sure the owner of the media has to do it themself)?

But yeah, I agree, unless there's more to it than crediar's already spoken about, this will do nothing to curb piracy but will sure give the game rental places a temporary boost in business, not to mention keeping those GameStop and the like employees busy with returns.
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I apologize if this has been asked already, but I have a quick question.

I know Crediar has decided that you need the original disks to be able to use DIOS MIOS. But my disk drive is broken. I have seen a quote somewhere else (maybe it was fake who knows), in which Crediar said that people like me were just out of luck, which I don't like but accept that there's nothing I can do about it. But does anyone know if I can use another Wii (my brother's Wii has a working disc drive) to backup a game that I own, then run it on my Wii?

"brb let me get my time machine" responses aside, does anyone know? Or is nothing known about it yet? If so, let me know and I'll quit bugging you for now. Thanks
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I think the idea is that you will have to have a physical disc and put DIOS MIOS in "Dumping" mode, and it will dump to the USB drive in a way that is different from just placing an ISO there....many will say, "well then you can just rent the games" which is probably true, but GC rental availability is pretty scarce everywhere I've ever been. from what I understand dumping it on another wii will work fine. correct me if I am wrong.
 

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alexcalibur said:
I apologize if this has been asked already, but I have a quick question.

I know Crediar has decided that you need the original disks to be able to use DIOS MIOS. But my disk drive is broken. I have seen a quote somewhere else (maybe it was fake who knows), in which Crediar said that people like me were just out of luck, which I don't like but accept that there's nothing I can do about it. But does anyone know if I can use another Wii (my brother's Wii has a working disc drive) to backup a game that I own, then run it on my Wii?

"brb let me get my time machine" responses aside, does anyone know? Or is nothing known about it yet? If so, let me know and I'll quit bugging you for now. Thanks
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The quote in question can be found here.
http://rvlution.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=404
 

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How will releasing this discourage people from buying the wode?People buy it for piracy uses and seeing as youll need the retail disc for Dios Mios people are still gonna buy the wode.Or am I missing something here?
 

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Mid123 said:
How will releasing this discourage people from buying the wode?People buy it for piracy uses and seeing as youll need the retail disc for Dios Mios people are still gonna buy the wode.Or am I missing something here?
Hes saying that it will get any legit backup users to go to this instead of buying a wode, which we all know was really made for piracy, and piracy is how Wode gets a large percent of its money. However on the flip side, i can see it encouraging people to buy a wode because they have no other options.
 

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alexcalibur said:
But does anyone know if I can use another Wii (my brother's Wii has a working disc drive) to backup a game that I own, then run it on my Wii?
The rips are only files on a Fat FS.
They need to be tied to a specific Wii or sharing the rip would be the easiest form of piracy.
If he does not stop that he wouldn't need to bother with anything further.
So I really doubt this will be possible.

What has a much better chance is using his drive in your Wii.
But here we really need a Time-machine.
 
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