Gaming Destiny Chronicles: Fantasy Action JRPG

[KingVamp]

Inspired by classic action JRPGs, Destiny Chronicles is an action role-playing game about a squire named Celeste who begins a journey to prove herself worthy of becoming a true knight. Her quest takes her far from her home, across the continent in pursuit of a thief whose actions stem from a sinister plot.

Its character-driven plot focuses on the interactions between Celeste and her companions as they hunt down the thief. Our goal is to make the game lighthearted and humorous, yet still tell a compelling story.

Destiny Chronicles features an exciting and fast-paced action combat system, and Celeste’s fighting style can be customized to suit your playstyle with a talent tree and upgrade system.

This looks pretty good. I think it would help, if they made the hits feel more impactful. Funny enough, despite being inspired by action JRPGs, you will only be guaranteed Japanese localization at its highest stretch goal.

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[Risingdawn]

Looks terrible, I'm guessing it's a very very early build.

 

[Ritsuki]

I'm a big fan of anime/manga but god I'm so tired of people putting lolis where they don't fit...

 

[Xzi]

I'm a big fan of anime/manga but god I'm so tired of people putting lolis where they don't fit...

I can agree with this, it feels generic and pointless. Though still not my thing, at least the Steam games get more to the point: undressing them/etc. No reason to have them in a game that's supposed to have polished gameplay and real depth. Fittingly, this game appears to have neither of these things so far.

(Dark Souls super easy edition with bright colors and fkin lolis?)

 

[Pedeadstrian]

I'm a big fan of anime/manga but god I'm so tired of people putting lolis where they don't fit...

I didn't see any sexual themes in that trailer. People need to learn the difference between a young girl and a loli. It's not a game featuring a 20 year old guy with a bunch of 13 year olds as his harem. I only saw girls in that trailer, meaning they're the main or only focus.

No reason to have them in a game that's supposed to have polished gameplay and real depth.

So if a game features mainly girls then there's no reason for there to be polished gameplay and real depth? You'd rather they just collect Barbie dolls and talk about the boys they like?

 

[Xzi]

So if a game features mainly girls then there's no reason for there to be polished gameplay and real depth? You'd rather they just collect Barbie dolls and talk about the boys they like?

Don't put words in my mouth. There's a big difference between farkin' lolis and the female gender. Or even proper anime.

 

[Ritsuki]

I didn't see any sexual themes in that trailer. People need to learn the difference between a young girl and a loli. It's not a game featuring a 20 year old guy with a bunch of 13 year olds as his harem. I only saw girls in that trailer, meaning they're the main or only focus.

It's not because there are no men or an actual sex act that it can't be loli. The term loli comes from Lolita, which was a book starring a young girl, with sexual traits, even if she was too young to even think about sex. You can be a lolita, dress like a lolita, live like a lolita, without having sex with anyone. And, IMHO, picturing young girls (they must be like 14 y/o max in this game) with corsets, garterbelts, mini skirts, etc... is lolita. For me, these characters fit perfectly into the lolita category (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_(term))

 

[Sonic Angel Knight]

Looks terrible, I'm guessing it's a very very early build.

Check the bottom corner. (Yes is a early build)
But yes it does look bad. I mean I hope it improves graphically if is gonna be on these systems, they deserve better and are completely capable of such,





I mean I just saw this the other day. LOOK AT IT O_O
This is like, wow. I'm sure the game is okay and fun to play, solid gameplay but the way this looks, I wouldn't know how people would want to release a trailer showing this off. I'm not even sure if the game has 1080P or 4K, people would feel bad looking at this on HD monitors, unlike the game in this post, this is a finished product, not still in development. They both look like something you could find on a smartphone. Maybe they plan to put it on there.

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[Pedeadstrian]

It's not because there are no men or an actual sex act that it can't be loli. The term loli comes from Lolita, which was a book starring a young girl, with sexual traits, even if she was too young to even think about sex. You can be a lolita, dress like a lolita, live like a lolita, without having sex with anyone. And, IMHO, picturing young girls (they must be like 14 y/o max in this game) with corsets, garterbelts, mini skirts, etc... is lolita. For me, these characters fit perfectly into the lolita category (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_(term))

In the traditional anime/manga sense, loli has absolutely nothing to do with the lolita fashion style; it is more simply used to describe young girls who are sexualized by their artists/designers. It's no one's fault but your own that you associate lolita fashion with "loli" and lolita fashion with sexuality. Have you never read/played/watched anything in the realm of fantasy? Corsets are commonplace. Maybe if they were wearing an outfit similar to the one in the video that the person above me posted then sure, I'd have to call them lolis.

 

[Ritsuki]

In the traditional anime/manga sense, loli has absolutely nothing to do with the lolita fashion style; it is more simply used to describe young girls who are sexualized by their artists/designers. It's no one's fault but your own that you associate lolita fashion with "loli" and lolita fashion with sexuality. Have you never read/played/watched anything in the realm of fantasy? Corsets are commonplace. Maybe if they were wearing an outfit similar to the one in the video that the person above me posted then sure, I'd have to call them lolis.

Was not talking about the fashion, but about what a corset, garterbelt, etc... represents in the present day imaginary. If these characters are not lolitas for you, well, it's a point of view, that I respect. But you cannot say that putting garterbelts on girls is not sexualization. I give up on corsets (even if the main goal of a corset is to look good, usually for a man since that thing is really not comfortable), maybe it's me and my dirty mind, but garterbelts ? Honest question btw, I would really love to have a debate about at what point we can consider a character a lolita.

But back to loli/lolita/fashion loli. What are your definitions of those terms ? For me :

- Lolita : over-sexualized young girl, refers to the "Lolita" book
- Loli : something that has lolitas in it
- Lolita fashion : a fashion style that mixes old and young fashion, also refers to the "Lolita" book because it plays on young (or young looking) girls wearing old fashioned victorian clothes, which are associated with sex today (victorian era was pretty much the time when we defined how genders should look, very interesting era tbh)

So for me, young girls in corsets and garterbelts, when it's not needed, is "lolifying". But again, only my point of view and I would gladly discuss it.

 

[Pedeadstrian]

Was not talking about the fashion, but about what a corset, garterbelt, etc... represents in the present day imaginary. If these characters are not lolitas for you, well, it's a point of view, that I respect. But you cannot say that putting garterbelts on girls is not sexualization. I give up on corsets (even if the main goal of a corset is to look good, usually for a man since that thing is really not comfortable), maybe it's me and my dirty mind, but garterbelts ? Honest question btw, I would really love to have a debate about at what point we can consider a character a lolita.

But back to loli/lolita/fashion loli. What are your definitions of those terms ? For me :

- Lolita : over-sexualized young girl, refers to the "Lolita" book
- Loli : something that has lolitas in it
- Lolita fashion : a fashion style that mixes old and young fashion, also refers to the "Lolita" book because it plays on young (or young looking) girls wearing old fashioned victorian clothes, which are associated with sex today (victorian era was pretty much the time when we defined how genders should look, very interesting era tbh)

So for me, young girls in corsets and garterbelts, when it's not needed, is "lolifying". But again, only my point of view and I would gladly discuss it.

Garter belts are items used to hold up stockings, which the character you mentioned was wearing. They certainly have been sexualized in at least American media (can't really speak for anything else because I'm not familiar with it), but that can be said about lots of items of clothing, like knee-high boots or your aforementioned Victorian-era clothing. They aren't intrinsically sexual. It all depends on the context, and based on what I saw in the trailer I didn't see it or the characters themselves being sexualized. If we banned or criticized any media for having things that are sometimes seen as sexual then we'd have to criticize or ban tons of things. A girl barefoot? Nope, a guy with a foot fetish might like it. A girl with braces? Nope, a guy with a metal/braces/loli fetish might like it.

My definitions of the terms you mentioned are the exact same as yours, but it all depends on the artist's/director's intention, and I didn't interpret it as sexualizing those girls. I just saw high-fantasy clothing. The game just looks like a bright, cartoony, light-hearted JRPG. That being said... after actually looking at the Kickstarter page I'm worried that you may be right after all. Those shikishi and a potential hot springs mission as a stretch goal can definitely go either way. We'll see when the game actually comes out.

 

[ByteBite]

Get a room.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Offtopic carnival...
/OT

I am tired of crowdfunding, go get a loan from a bank.
If it looks good when it comes out, I may take a look at reviews or user comments, or just get it directly... but only then.

 

[KingVamp]

It is obviously still development, but to say it looks "terrible" is a bit much. I was going to mention how good the music was too, but I wanted see if anyone would talk about it themselves. Sadly, didn't happen.
They have 3 examples of what kind of music it will have on the kickstater page.

The hate seem pretty strong here. Reminds me how people people were hating on Mario 3D World and it turned out amazing. A game that also has bright colors.

I'm a big fan of anime/manga but god I'm so tired of people putting lolis where they don't fit...

Who determines where "loli" fits or not? Seems like random restriction. You can say that for any anime/manga trope.

I can agree with this, it feels generic and pointless. Though still not my thing, at least the Steam games get more to the point: undressing them/etc. No reason to have them in a game that's supposed to have polished gameplay and real depth. Fittingly, this game appears to have neither of these things so far.

(Dark Souls super easy edition with bright colors and fkin lolis?)

Just because your brain default to nsfw games when it comes to loli, doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be in things that have depth. Especially, as shown here, people have different opinion on what "loli" even means.

Never once thought, "They are being sexualized." All I seen was cool outfits. They aren't even revealing. Only thing that is revealing is the Shikishi, and she is clearly at the beach.
While yes, they may do the hot springs, a lot of anime use that trope. Even the most tame ones. It wouldn't even be the main part of the game. Like most anime, it just a side thing and a break from the main thing.

Appears to not have polished gameplay and real depth? It is almost like they aren't trying to develop the game more. Like how you so easily determine difficulty, this early in development.

This is a game trying to be funded without any strings attached, but some people here are treating this as if this is the final built of the game. As for getting tired of crowdfunding, it not like anyone forcing you to use or pay into it.

 

[Xzi]

Just because your brain default to nsfw games when it comes to loli, doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be in things that have depth. Especially, as shown here, people have different opinion on what "loli" even means.

It means half-assed anime girls with massive eyes and often hair down to their ankles. Ridiculously over-stylized in other words. It's not always the case, but lolis are typically used to distract from an otherwise sub-par game.

If you need an example of the opposite, Mikasa from AoT is well-drawn with far more natural features/form. Attack on Titan: WoF also happens to be a great game, particularly when playing as Mikasa with her high skill levels. That's how you do a proper female anime protagonist.

 

[Pedeadstrian]

It means half-assed anime girls with massive eyes and often hair down to their ankles. Ridiculously over-stylized in other words. It's not always the case, but lolis are typically used to distract from an otherwise sub-par game.

If you need an example of the opposite, Mikasa from AoT is well-drawn with far more natural features/form. Attack on Titan: WoF also happens to be a great game, particularly when playing as Mikasa with her high skill levels. That's how you do a proper female anime protagonist.

If everything is "over-stylized" in a game then it isn't a problem, which this game certainly looks like. You can't compare something "cartoony" to something more serious like Attack on Titan. There is a HUGE discrepancy in theme and tone between Attack on Titan and this game that the developers describe as "lighthearted and humorous." Also, have you not seen any anime more than 10 years old? Massive eyes were commonplace back then. Not to mention, you picked the squintiest-eyed girl on the show. I'm sure I could find a picture of Sasha and her bulging eyes to contrast. Like this:

 

[Xzi]

If everything is "over-stylized" in a game then it isn't a problem, which this game certainly looks like. You can't compare something "cartoony" to something more serious like Attack on Titan. There is a HUGE discrepancy in theme and tone between Attack on Titan and this game that the developers describe as "lighthearted and humorous." Also, have you not seen any anime more than 10 years old? Massive eyes were commonplace back then. Not to mention, you picked the squintiest-eyed girl on the show. I'm sure I could find a picture of Sasha and her bulging eyes to contrast. Like this:

Seems like you picked a scene with a wide-eyed expression, but my point still stands...that looks nothing like the lolis in the OP. Their mouths are smaller, there's not near as much detail, and the one with its mouth open shows no teeth like this image does.

 

[sarkwalvein]

As for getting tired of crowdfunding, it not like anyone forcing you to use or pay into it.

I see you have an answer for everything and everyone. /s

Of course nobody is forcing me to use/pay crowdfunding.
Fortunately nobody is forcing me to hide my opinion (but it seems some are trying). And my opinion is that I will not crowdfund this game, because something in it makes me think of the ones I crowdfunded and ended up in big disappointments, and I don't want to repeat. In the moment I see hints that lead me to believe it will disappoint (the game mechanics look bad and generic, the AI looks terrible) I avoid getting into it.

It is a prototype they are showing, I consider acceptable that the environments are small and lifeless, animations need more work, etc. But I think they should have worked in showing a good example of the expected gameplay and enemy AI (at least for one enemy) working right in the prototype, if they couldn't make it work even for one enemy and one character for the prototype it makes me think they will not be able to implement a good AI when they add more enemies and the work multiplies. That is the main hint I got from what I saw making me think it will disappoint: game mechanics and AI.

PS: Of course I might be wrong and this might turn into a masterpiece, I am willing to buy the game then.

 

[Pedeadstrian]

Seems like you picked a scene with a wide-eyed expression, but my point still stands...that looks nothing like the lolis in the OP. Their mouths are smaller, there's not near as much detail, and the one with its mouth open shows no teeth like this image does.

You now seem to be just naming and complaining about common anime styles, not specifically lolis. Female mouths (and noses for that matter) in Anime are characteristically small and neither amount of "detail" nor a lack of teeth are instant signs of sexualized 9-14 year olds. You're grasping at straws for things to complain about and judging something without real evidence (as was seen with your lack of "real depth" comment) or fairness. If you don't want a cartoony, "undetailed" video game then fine, you don't have to play it, but don't make unfair comparisons like this game's visual art style with a AAA anime and its gameplay with an at least AA game that is barely even in the same realm of genre.

 

[Xzi]

You now seem to be just naming and complaining about common anime styles, not specifically lolis. Female mouths (and noses for that matter) in Anime are characteristically small and neither amount of "detail" nor a lack of teeth are instant signs of sexualized 9-14 year olds.

You're the one that keeps bringing up sexualization, not me. I mentioned it in relation to loli games on Steam, but there isn't too much in the way of sexualization in this particular game. Some super short skirts and one character on that front image has no shirt on, but whatever, that's not the point. It looks bad, that's the bottom line. There are so many good games out now (both on Switch and other platforms) that you shouldn't waste your time with the bad ones. RWBY: Grimm Eclipse on Steam seems a much better game if you're looking for one with a similar style. Valkyria Chronicles is also great of course, but more of a strategy game.