CONFIRMED: No roadblocks for 7.0.1 Support on SXOS

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  1. Lacius

    Lacius GBAtemp Legend

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    Come back when you're ready to have a substantive conversation and not troll.
     
  2. tinkle
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    tinkle taciturn shill girl

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    I never claimed to have facts. You did. See what happens when you pretend to know what you're talking about, hunny? Being dismissive shows that you've lost, fyi.
     
  3. smf

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    You forgot 50% of the options.

    option three, get hold of the key to sign sept

    option four, use a non sept exploit

    Although none of their customers would care if they used sept, everyone knows they use atmosphere code already. You'll still be annoyed that they don't credit them.

    If the keys (which aren't copyrightable despite the lies) to sign sept were released then yes TX wouldn't need to burn an exploit.

    It turns into our problem if they burn an exploit. It's also annoying that the keys are hoarded. Maybe it was done so that he could sell the keys to TX.....

    What about one that may have applied to mariko?

    According to TX they added support for 7.x games running on 6.2 already.
     
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  4. Lacius

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    I said TX sales might be flat. You said TX sales are selling gangbusters. One's a statement about what could be true, and the other is a statement about what is true. Come back when you realize I have higher standards than you're used to.
     
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    You just went and edited all your posts. It literally shows that you did. Nice try saving face.
     
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    Apart from your own claims. You're making assumptions based on things that you believe without any proof that they are true.

    TX sales might be flat you say? Sure they might be, they might not be. Flat sales means they are continuing at the same rate, it doesn't say anything about what that rate is, they just aren't growing month on month. So they could be selling ten thousand every month, or only one every month and it's still flat.

    You're saying something vague and hoping to make people think you're saying something meaningful, not exactly helpful & surely shouldn't be used to build your own argument.

    Higher standards? You're basing your opinion purely on something that could be true, please come back when you have some standards.

    I can play your game too.... Time could be an illusion and everything is happening at once, therefore TX have already released SX OS with support for every version of the switch and the system software that has and ever will be created in the entire multiverse.

    We don't know that for sure. They may have had to change how they did things which requires slog work, but slog work that they know they can do. Or maybe they've run
     
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  7. Adran_Marit

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    I never said there weren't more options I said they are the only two that I see them doing lol
     
  8. mrjoshuaco

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    Don't worry, no one here had any illusion to contrary.
     
  9. gizmomelb

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    cough. I'd be skeptical of anonymous numbers.
     
  10. Phenj

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    That's why you use atmosphere on sysNAND and SX-OS on emuNAND, kids.
     
  11. Lacius

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    The question is whether or not these options are in TX's wheelhouse. It's also worth pointing out, as I've done in the past, that TX's commitment to delaying the 7.0.x (perhaps indefinitely) over using sept and the Atmosphere logo says a lot about their business model's reliance on user ignorance.

    My experience in real life is that a lot of SX OS users don't know what Atmosphere is or that there are free alternatives.

    The keys are probably illegal to share, and even if they aren't, it's ambiguous and well within the right of SciresM, et al. to not take that risk. In addition, if TX can get ahold of the keys, they don't have to burn an exploit to update SX OS.

    Neither you, TX, nor anyone else is entitled to those keys. If you want them, break TSEC yourself. You can also see above about why, whether or not you believe it's illegal to share the keys, it might be a good idea not to.

    I don't think I would be against it if TX burned an exploit that applied to ipatched units at this point, if that's what you're asking.

    System version requirements can be bypassed, yes. And master key encryption can be changed since those keys are public. But eventually, games made with later software development kits will require 7.0.x, and there will be no way around it.

    What are you even talking about? I haven't edited my posts for anything other than grammar fixes or merged replies, and they were seconds after the initial posting. I've said this a lot to you today, but you're going to have to do better than that.

    When did I do that?

    I agree.

    Yes, but my point was that it looks very possible sales are flat after a steep decline since the release of free CFW.

    Regardless, nobody should take TX's word for anything. They also said they had a coldboot exploit they were releasing for ipatched units, but there's no reason to believe that's true.

    As I demonstrated a few posts ago, I've only made statements about what could be true based on things like polling data. I have not made any assertions about what's true or even what's likely true. My standards include not putting words in other people's mouths; I suggest you adopt those standards.

    I agree that we can't assume a post about no roadblocks means there are roadblocks, but the post likely only exists because of the speculation and legitimate fear by some users and 7.0.x will never come. A post about it doesn't necessarily mean an update is anywhere close to being released.

    My numbers are not anonymous (I've told you they came from my poll), and the respondents are not anonymous.
     
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  12. NFates

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    Why would you have an EmuNAND when you have a CFW'd SysNAND? Why not multiple EmuNANDs (assuming SX OS supports those) or waiting for Thermosphere?

    I get your point but on paper it looks dumb to me. People who have EmuNANDs do it to keep the SysNAND clean
     
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    Sometimes that is the most satisfying thing to do, it's one of the reasons I was given the nickname ''handgrenade'' at work. The main being I don't support the sales section bullshit promises of what our product WILL do, months before it is ready and the customer is wanting to sign on the dotted line to have that feature NOW. I enjoy my job but I don't need my job, so I've told senior management when I thought they were making bad decision and laid out exactly why I think that and what the company stands to lose (in one case a ''cash cow'' of over $1 million revenue per year, with virtually no support or outlay needed for that company as we've automated nearly everything over the past few years). Not a lot in the scheme of things, but that income allowed our entire R&D, support and sales section to operate autonomously from the USA based head office for 7 years straight. Lose that income and the bean counters from the USA will come over and start auditing and downsizing.
     
  14. NFates

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    If sacrificing a greater good for greedy 7.0 support is what they'll do, us people that know more than surface-level will know how much of a scummy group they are.
     
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    Hell
    fwiw there is a permanent unpatchable tsec exploit, but releasing that would cause WAY more bad than it would good
     
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  16. gizmomelb

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    If that IS the case, then yes.. but I cannot state enough how satisfying it is to burn all bridges behind you when the level of fuckery gets too much to bother with any more. Nothing would signify a middle finger to the entire switch ''scene'' more than making public something like a TSEC overflow exploit which effects all chips, even possibly the new Switch mini supposedly coming out. So the manufacturers can then protect against the exploit.

    If you're going to leave, make an exit everyone will remember :)
     
  17. Adran_Marit

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    I'm sure releasing it would cause the scene to burn
     
  18. Lacius

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    That's why I alluded to devices other than the Switch in an earlier post. Regardless, when it comes to TSEC anyway, there should be no reason to consume an exploit if TX can privately gain access to the proper keys. With the keys, they can release an update to SX OS without releasing the exploit itself. If they burn an exploit with a release, it's because they're being reckless, and there's no one to blame but TX.
     
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  19. tinkle
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    Then give TX the keys, obviously, or you're responsible for burning a massive exploit.
     
  20. ZachyCatGames

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    More than just the Switch modding scene, more like the world :P. That exploit affects over 3 billion devices
     
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