Quietly following on the heels of the injunction ruling against Yuzu emulator that resulted in its removal and ceased development, popular Nintendo 3DS emulator Citra is following suit. Yuzu's parent company, Tropic Haze LLC, is also the owner of the development team for Citra 3DS emulator, and because of the recent ruling, Citra has also met the same fate. As of current writing, Citra has been removed from download on its official website, and the Citra GitHub repository has been taken down as well.

An official statement from Bunnei, a representative for both Citra and Yuzu, was posted on the Discord channel for Yuzu, saying that they never intended to allow piracy to impact Nintendo, and that playing games on "unauthorized hardware" is harmful, so development on both emulators will cease as of today. Citra's Discord server has also locked itself down, following the announcement.

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[Lumstar]

There is something I have a really hard time trying to understand and I see a lot of people bringing up all the time, these being things like: "The emulator was paywalled", "It is emulating a console that is still receiving support".

This is a honest question, why does any of these things matter for so many people? As long as it not violating any copyrights law nor using code or binaries stolen from said hardware, what exactly is the issue? That very same case people love to mention as a counterargument whenever a corporation like Nintendo says "emulation is illegal" literally involved an emulator that was both commercial and emulating a system that at the time was still receiving support from Sony.

I should add that the "emulators shouldn't emulate current consoles" mentality is quite flawed and irrelevant as Nintendo can already use the pretext that you shouldn't emulate Super Mario Bros. from the NES because they offer it on their current gen console, and I highly doubt any of you guys would agree with this type of bullshit.

Personally I'm not interested in commercial emulators and I'll always advocate for FOSS, but this just seems like a weird double standard so many people have about emulators.

The issue is circumventing encryption. Most games for newer consoles are encrypted, creating a barrier to emulating them within the letter of the law.

 

[Ligeia]

I would also like to add that Nintendo shouldn't give any lessons about piracy when they allow lots of shovelware ripoff games to hit their online store. Does The Last Hope : Dead Zone Survival ring a bell ?

What about the way they copy hackers' ideas for their new games ? Mario Wonder's bubble flower anyone ?

 

[Prior22]

Bummer, I hoped Yuzu developers would fight all way to US Supreme Court to have their judges to issue the ruling on emulators.

Nintendo's attack on emulators could lead to severe consequence, such as dangerous cyberattack on all of Nintendo's infrastructure like happened to Sony in 2011.

The Supreme Court has a six to three conservative majority. Pretty safe to assume atleast five of the conservative judges would favor a massive corporation over the little guy.

 

[NinStar]

The issue is circumventing encryption. Most games for newer consoles are encrypted, creating a barrier to emulating them within the letter of the law.

I'm aware of that, my message was about the double standard people in the community have about emulation in general based on the things I mentioned.

 

[cloud-strife777]

My Oled don't have modchip since it was present from my parents and they buy it from store so it's new.

You can buy one.

Post automatically merged: Mar 5, 2024

https://github.com/RyzenDew/Lime-3DS-Emulator

 

[PikachuPrincess23]

You can buy one.

Post automatically merged: Mar 5, 2024

https://github.com/RyzenDew/Lime-3DS-Emulator

Yes I know I can but I can't afford it right now.

 

[deinonychus71]

Pirates are customers. They buy consoles and I'm 100% sure the success of the Switch is partially due it its easily piratable state, just like the Wii and DS.

Sexual misconduct cases are completely irrelevant to the topic.

Billion dollar company = evil company. It may sound oversimplistic and I don't wanna write an essay about it but that's just the harsh truth, you really are naive or delusional if you think otherwise.

The TotK leak gave massive free publicity to the game. And people probably bought consoles to pirate it.

I will never not support piracy for a company that is so overtly hostile towards its fans.

You should check your definition of customer. A pirate that uses an emulator, download and play games on that emulator is not a customer. That's factually wrong.
Even if you own the console and buy no game, you're not a customer of these games. You didn't pay for it, you don't own it, so you don't get to complain. Buying the console to pirate does not grant you rights to complain about the games or the company policy.
This mentality is absolutely everything wrong with this community. Contribute nothing, pirate everything, and think you've got grounds to make demands on top of it.

'Sexual misconduct cases are completely irrelevant to the topic.'
it was absolutely relevant to the message it answered to. The person was saying it's competing for shittiest company. I was giving them real life examples of what makes a company shitty. A company defending its property is far from that. You really got to burst out of the angry gamer bubble.

'Billion dollar company = evil company' Yes, it is oversimplistic, and in the case of Nintendo, grossly exaggerated. You don't have to make a "billion" to do evil, and not every successful company is automatically illegitimate in its success. That you're not happy that some of their decisions may impact your video games hobby does not make them "evil". That's preposterous.
You don't have to think too hard to find many companies that are much worse in the world and are actively sabotaging our future.

The TotK is undefendable. Again, shows everything wrong with the community. Pirate a game weeks before its release - not doubt possible on the intent here - even go as far as to taunt Nintendo, and STILL finds a way to blame THEM for taking action.
That it supposedly gave them free publicity (it really didn't need it) does not, once again, mean you get to do whatever you want, and it does not make them evil for fighting against it.
You've got the entire world upside down here.

The saddest part is that there are legit reasons to be annoyed at Nintendo. Their way to limit streams, restrict tournaments, their take on emulation, all of that, but no, we have to deal with people who find every possible excuse to justify that they simply want to play games and not pay for it.

I do hope that a ransom /anonymous hacker group would fuck them up in order to teach them a lesson to not go messing around with people's rights.

And the winner of the day... now it's about "people's rights"
The amount of mental gymnastics... I swear 10 years ago pirates would still pirate but didn't try to come up with every excuse under the sun to make it sound like they're the good guys.

 

[MightySashiman]

Why devs in 2024 don't anonmyse themselves and host their repos in a country which is not/less subject to DMCA and other USA specific stuff is just beyond me. They litterally are like a stupid person daring to put their hand in a tiger's cage. At some point the tiger bites back and just happens to have reflex 100x quicker than the stupid man's...

 

[Lumstar]

I'm aware of that, my message was about the double standard people in the community have about emulation in general based on the things I mentioned.

For that particular group of people, it's all about the narrative against Nintendo. They'll say anything to justify piracy.

 

[whitesword7]

Disney and Nintendo are very much alike indeed nowadays.

I for one will make it a point from now on to never buy anything Nintendo ever again.

dude, you can’t say that in gbatemp since piracy is highly prohibited here

 

[Ligeia]

You should check your definition of customer. A pirate that uses an emulator, download and play games on that emulator is not a customer. That's factually wrong.
Even if you own the console and buy no game, you're not a customer of these games. You didn't pay for it, you don't own it, so you don't get to complain. Buying the console to pirate does not grant you rights to complain about the games or the company policy.
This mentality is absolutely everything wrong with this community. Contribute nothing, pirate everything, and think you've got grounds to make demands on top of it.

You don't have to think too hard to find many companies that are much worse in the world and are actively sabotaging our future.

I am a pirate and I buy consoles, sometimes official guides and other game-realted merchandise... Yes, I am a customer. And yes I am perfectly entitled to bitch on Nintendo's cheapiness. If they weren't so nasty I would be much more inclined to support them.

You are right about the fact that there are much more evil companies in the world, which are much less in the public eye. Let's just say Nintendo and Disney compete for the spot of the shittiest entertainment company, shall we ?

I honeslty don't have the energy to reply to the rest becaue that would require a wall of text and it's not worth the hassle.

 

[Hassal]

Exacly. Pirated copy does not equal lost sale, this needs to be repeated over and over (and why not highlighted in the front page of this site )

Just pin this youtube short it will send the same message to these thick skulled corporation.

 

[KiTA]

It's probably a bit too early to be asking, but the Citra installer allows you to define User based repositories instead of the Citra main repository. I imagine Yuzu has something similar. Are there any confirmed safe/reliable/up to date repos out there set up yet?

 

[Hassal]

And the winner of the day... now it's about "people's rights"
The amount of mental gymnastics... I swear 10 years ago pirates would still pirate but didn't try to come up with every excuse under the sun to make it sound like they're the good guys.

I will abstain from replying back to you because its going get nasty. Yes, its people's right, whether its used by pirates is irrelevant.

 

[deinonychus71]

I will abstain from replying back to you because its going get nasty. Yes, its people's right, whether its used by pirates is irrelevant.

Nothing you said had anything to do with "people's rights".
"Pirating a game because it doesn't cost them anything" isn't a right.
"Testing a game before buying" isn't a right.
Entertainment is a luxury, there is no "right" to be automatically granted access to it.
It's a lesson people normally learn early in life.

Being mad and threatening companies because you don't get to play what you want when you want isn't going to change that. On the contrary. You're giving ground for their actions.

Now if you and your friend want to pirate for whatever reason, whether you think them ethical or not, that's your problem really, nobody is gonna go after you. But let's drop the act, you do it for yourself, because it's free and you don't wanna pay the right to play the game, and for nothing else. Certainly not for game preservation or to make any sort of ethical statement.

 

[DragonMals]

are you seriously asking why complain? 2 of the biggest emulator died on the same day and you are asking why complain?

who cares if the other emulator have less attention than these 2? that’s not the point

I understand what you mean with the frustrations many had to offer in terms of this whole issue. The whole point is that Nintendo effectively killed two goodwell known emulators everyone used. I guess I'm just neutral about it because I personally never touched Yuzu before and as for Citra, outside of one game that I haven't played in ages, i also haven't touched that one either. Makes a little sense if you put the context of this into it I guess.

I'm also saying that cause unlike 3ds emulation, Riujinx is almost as popular as Yuzu in terms of Switch emulation (correct me if I'm wrong with this), and what comes a negative input comes with a positive output: Not only there's alternatives to playing these emulators, but people literally quickly archived the latest versions of both emulatora so that they're still available like nothing happened.

 

[Ligeia]

Nothing you said had anything to do with "people's rights".
"Pirating a game because it doesn't cost them anything" isn't a right.
"Testing a game before buying" isn't a right.
Entertainment is a luxury, there is no "right" to be automatically granted access to it.
It's a lesson people normally learn early in life.

Being mad and threatening companies because you don't get to play what you want when you want isn't going to change that. On the contrary. You're giving ground for their actions.

Now if you and your friend want to pirate for whatever reason, whether you think them ethical or not, that's your problem really, nobody is gonna go after you. But let's drop the act, you do it for yourself, because it's free and you don't wanna pay the right to play the game, and for nothing else. Certainly not for game preservation or to make any sort of ethical statement.

Always love those corporate puppies.

 

[DragonMals]

Pirate a game weeks before its release - not doubt possible on the intent here - even go as far as to taunt Nintendo, and STILL finds a way to blame THEM for taking action.

Speaking of this quote, I'll never forget the time where someone on Twitter posted that they've gotten TOTK early using their Modded Switch, and Reggie said something about it, and the user quickly deactivated their account.

I also just want to point out to even the mates I like here that I don't support emulation of consoles that still get bought to this very day. I find that to be a concept that should wait AFTER the discontinuation of their console. That way, you don't have to be on high risk of getting away with stuff like this.

 

[Themnish]

Seems like citra forums also shut down, so many texture packs / mods nowhere else to be found

 

[DragonMals]

(this is also coming from someone who pirates and buys, effectively making me a customer )