Children being sexually abused, given psychotropic drugs in ICE detention centers

  • Thread starter Xzi
  • Start date
  • Views 5,867
  • Replies 111
  • Likes 4

Xzi

Arm Cannon Enthusiast
OP
Member
Joined
Dec 26, 2013
Messages
13,359
Trophies
2
Location
Spiraling Out
Website
gbatemp.net
XP
13,494
Country
United States
https://www.propublica.org/article/...molesting-eight-children-at-immigrant-shelter

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...dren-subjected-to-widespread-abuse-by-officia

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna895966

This is no longer defensible in any way, even if a person was somehow able to previously justify jailing children six years old and younger. These children are being treated like prisoners of war.

Among the allegations, U.S. officials are said to have:

  • Denied a pregnant minor medical attention when she reported pain, which preceded a stillbirth.
  • Subjected a 16-year-old girl to a search in which they "forcefully spread her legs and touched her private parts so hard that she screamed."
  • Left a 4-lb. premature baby and her minor mother in an overcrowded and dirty cell filled with sick people, against medical advice.
  • Threw out a child's birth certificate and threatened him with sexual abuse by an adult male detainee.
  • Ran over a 17-year-old with a patrol vehicle and then punched him repeatedly.
*A short list from just one of the articles

As far as I'm concerned, anybody involved with this shit, up to and including Trump, deserve nothing less than the guillotine.
 
Last edited by Xzi, , Reason: First link updated with new charges

FAST6191

Techromancer
Editorial Team
Joined
Nov 21, 2005
Messages
34,087
Trophies
2
Website
trastindustries.com
XP
22,970
Country
United Kingdom
Assuming this is the case then I am not sure why shut down would be the response as opposed to rework from the top down. Or if you prefer then failure of implementation rather than failure of concept and I can't see a failure of implementation as inevitable in this case.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dAVID_ and DarthDub

Hanafuda

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Nov 21, 2005
Messages
3,521
Trophies
1
XP
4,479
Country
United States
As far as I'm concerned, anybody involved with this shit, up to and including Trump, deserve nothing less than the guillotine.


So, everyone in the Trump administration, and everyone who was part of the Obama administration too, up to and including Obama? I'm on board.


Among the allegations, U.S. officials are said to have:

  • Denied a pregnant minor medical attention when she reported pain, which preceded a stillbirth.
  • Subjected a 16-year-old girl to a search in which they "forcefully spread her legs and touched her private parts so hard that she screamed."
  • Left a 4-lb. premature baby and her minor mother in an overcrowded and dirty cell filled with sick people, against medical advice.
  • Threw out a child's birth certificate and threatened him with sexual abuse by an adult male detainee.
  • Ran over a 17-year-old with a patrol vehicle and then punched him repeatedly.



According to your npr link, all those things happened between 2009 and 2014. Obama.


.
 
Last edited by Hanafuda,

TotalInsanity4

GBAtemp Supreme Overlord
Member
Joined
Dec 1, 2014
Messages
10,811
Trophies
0
Location
Under a rock
XP
9,790
Country
United States
So, everyone in the Trump administration, and everyone who was part of the Obama administration too, up to and including Obama? I'm on board.






According to your npr link, all those things happened between 2009 and 2014. Obama.
Just because a Democrat did it doesn't make it in any way better. I highly regard FDR in many regards but his administration forcing Japanese-native citizens into concentration camps is unforgivable. This is the same thing, overall good President who's administration did heinous shit that they definitely should be held accountable for
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hanafuda

Hanafuda

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Nov 21, 2005
Messages
3,521
Trophies
1
XP
4,479
Country
United States
Just because a Democrat did it doesn't make it in any way better. I highly regard FDR in many regards but his administration forcing Japanese-native citizens into concentration camps is unforgivable. This is the same thing, overall good President who's administration did heinous shit that they definitely should be held accountable for


So, you vote guillotine for Obama too, then?

I'm being a bit facetious here, and you and I typically get along so I'll own up to that. Can't help but score a point when it's right there in front of you. But no need to deflect to FDR, let's keep this in the now. The big FED machine is a multi-headed hydra and its main objective, certainly far above the welfare of the people, is self-preservation and growth. Trump probably didn't know any more about the family separation issue before it broke than Obama did, but once it did break it's really Congress that needs to act, not the President. The legislative branch passed the laws that necessitated family separation, sometime back in the Clinton years IIRC. Trump can issue an executive order, and he did .. and judges can issue orders, and they have ... but the law is still the same now as it has been for years. And the machine's gonna keep running according to its programming day-in, day-out, regardless of who's in the White House, until the programming is changed. And btw this all did come to light while Obama was President and the media wouldn't report it, and Pelosi stressed then that we shouldn't politicize it. The tunes people whistle sure do change.

The real solution to the problem is a secure border, but that idea offends some people for some reason.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthDub

TotalInsanity4

GBAtemp Supreme Overlord
Member
Joined
Dec 1, 2014
Messages
10,811
Trophies
0
Location
Under a rock
XP
9,790
Country
United States
The real solution to the problem is a secure border, but that idea offends some people for some reason.
I disagree, and I'd cite the EU as evidence

And no, I'd never nominate anyone for the guillotine in this day and age. I will say though that there are some politicians that could do to have PAC/lobbyist funding cut off entirely, for example
 

Xzi

Arm Cannon Enthusiast
OP
Member
Joined
Dec 26, 2013
Messages
13,359
Trophies
2
Location
Spiraling Out
Website
gbatemp.net
XP
13,494
Country
United States
So, everyone in the Trump administration, and everyone who was part of the Obama administration too, up to and including Obama? I'm on board.

According to your npr link, all those things happened between 2009 and 2014. Obama.
You're not wrong. Just goes to show that scumbags lie in wait for their opportunity inside agencies like ICE and Border Protection. Then people like Trump come along and enable them even further through mass detention of children.

(((LGBT))) : "Pedophilia is normal and should be legal, after all love is love"
This is incredibly bigoted and ignorant, many (if not most) cases involving pedophiles are straight men.
 
Last edited by Xzi,
Joined
Aug 10, 2015
Messages
369
Trophies
0
XP
428
Country
Canada

Wolfy

Person That Never Was
Member
Joined
Aug 18, 2015
Messages
916
Trophies
0
Age
23
Location
Somewhere In The Aether...
XP
1,858
Country
United States
Wow, everyone's going to town on this news, yes it sucks, and what they do is inexcusable. But honestly they keep coming and it's not making the situation any better, with all these people that get stuck here just to send them back is stupidity. I've got no problem with these people trying to escape from horrible countries but gosh dang we can't be expected to baby-sit them and pay for all of it when there's so many.
 

TotalInsanity4

GBAtemp Supreme Overlord
Member
Joined
Dec 1, 2014
Messages
10,811
Trophies
0
Location
Under a rock
XP
9,790
Country
United States
Wow, everyone's going to town on this news, yes it sucks, and what they do is inexcusable. But honestly they keep coming and it's not making the situation any better, with all these people that get stuck here just to send them back is stupidity. I've got no problem with these people trying to escape from horrible countries but gosh dang we can't be expected to baby-sit them and pay for all of it when there's so many.
Well... Why not? Many asylum seekers demonstrate that they're willing to work for pay, so it's not even like we're just playing host to them. As a matter of fact, you could really say they're doing us a favor economically, considering they aren't actually entitled to tax-related benefits until they complete citizenship, in spite of contributing to the national GDP and in most cases even paying taxes as required
 
Last edited by TotalInsanity4, , Reason: Way too many "even"s for my own liking
  • Like
Reactions: Xzi

ChaosEternal

Well-Known Member
Member
GBAtemp Patron
Joined
Jul 27, 2015
Messages
516
Trophies
1
XP
1,965
Country
United States
Is this even news? Sounds like how our prison system treats US citizens everyday. If we can't even treat our own countrymen right, why would anyone expect us to treat other people well? If this deserves the guillotine, then we're going to have to be executing a lot of people. And not just people in this administration, but people from the previous one too and probably every one before that for decades.
 

erikas

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2015
Messages
296
Trophies
0
Age
26
XP
1,541
Country
I disagree, and I'd cite the EU as evidence

And no, I'd never nominate anyone for the guillotine in this day and age. I will say though that there are some politicians that could do to have PAC/lobbyist funding cut off entirely, for example
I would cite the EU as evidence to the opposite. Everything was fine when it was just the rich countries collaborating and opening borders between them. But then everything went to shit when they decided to let people from backwards countries, most of whom are religious fanatics, in. To get into EU a country had to fit certain criteria. Mexico fits none of them.
 

TotalInsanity4

GBAtemp Supreme Overlord
Member
Joined
Dec 1, 2014
Messages
10,811
Trophies
0
Location
Under a rock
XP
9,790
Country
United States
I would cite the EU as evidence to the opposite. Everything was fine when it was just the rich countries collaborating and opening borders between them. But then everything went to shit when they decided to let people from backwards countries, most of whom are religious fanatics, in. To get into EU a country had to fit certain criteria. Mexico fits none of them.
Could you expand on that a bit? I feel like you're trying to make a good point but it's being muddied by phrasing that makes your post sound rather elitist, entitled, and slightly ignorant to requirements to become an EU member country

Note that's not me being snarky, it's just my observation and me trying to prod a bit more of an explanation out of you
 

Xzi

Arm Cannon Enthusiast
OP
Member
Joined
Dec 26, 2013
Messages
13,359
Trophies
2
Location
Spiraling Out
Website
gbatemp.net
XP
13,494
Country
United States
Can we fuck off with this pedo buzzword? You're literally devaluing the word from "immoral human being who preys upon the innocence of youth" to "literally anyone left of far-right on the political spectrum" and it's making you look stupid. You're literally making Xzi look like a beacon of sanity by comparison and he has meltdowns any time Trump wipes his ass.
I refuse to pretend there's some form of normalcy to the things Trump and his administration do. You do a great job of isolating a big issue here: Trump's base loves accusing anybody they disagree with of being pedophiles, because it's the most damning thing they can think up. When you present them with actual documented cases of pedophilia, however, they stay silent or try to deflect because the accused almost never fits their narrative. At the same time they run candidates like Roy Moore. Goes to show how little the right wing actually cares about atrocities like child abuse, it's just a political baseball for them.

Is this even news? Sounds like how our prison system treats US citizens everyday.
Detaining and abusing children as young as six is not an everyday thing, no. We haven't traditionally had pre-school correction centers. Definitely a new low, unless you count Japanese internment camps, but even there at least families were kept together.
 
Last edited by Xzi,

ChaosEternal

Well-Known Member
Member
GBAtemp Patron
Joined
Jul 27, 2015
Messages
516
Trophies
1
XP
1,965
Country
United States
Detaining and abusing children as young as six is not an everyday thing, no. We haven't traditionally had pre-school correction centers. Definitely a new low, unless you count Japanese internment camps, but even there families were kept together.
I wasn't referring to the detaining, I meant the specific instances you listed. All of them bring to mind other cases I've seen over the past few years regarding our prison system. If anything, the fact that our prison system affects millions as opposed to thousands in this case may make it the true low, although there is little point in arguing which is worse. My true point was that a lot of that abuse goes on every day in our normal prison system and nobody does a damn thing. Physical beatings, intentional denial of medical care, invasive searches, piss-poor treatment in general, all of it is practically endemic to our awful system.
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • Gift
  • TheZander @ TheZander:
    a person had their ds stolen and youre going on about irony
    Gift
  • Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim:
    youre acting like a ds being stolen is some sort of tragic event that no one should ever joke about
    Gift
  • Sicklyboy @ Sicklyboy:
    Any way to get the stuff available over mystery gift in brilliant diamond / shining pearl on a modded switch?
    +1
    Gift
  • Sicklyboy @ Sicklyboy:
    since, like... connecting to the internet with it isn't the best idea
    +1
    Gift
  • Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim:
    play a better game ;o;
    Gift
  • Gift
  • TheZander @ TheZander:
    were you even joking about the ds? also a stolen ds is a huge tragedy. I'm beginning
    to wonder where your priorities lie
    +2
    Gift
  • Gift
  • Ophelia_Later @ Ophelia_Later:
    TheZander
    @ TheZander: were you even joking about the ds? also a stolen ds is a huge tragedy. I'm beginningto wonder where your priorities lie
    Gift
  • Ophelia_Later @ Ophelia_Later:
    not a joke it was stolen and yes streetpass was turned on but i don't have a mac id or any clue of who did it. is there any hope of getting it back ive invested over $1,000 in it
    Gift
  • Gift
  • Sonic Angel Knight @ Sonic Angel Knight:
    This mac n cheese is bad
    +1
    Gift
  • Sicklyboy @ Sicklyboy:
    how tf do you invest over a grand in a DS?

    Signed, someone who has invested over $700 in a mechanical keyboard
    +1
    Gift
  • Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim:
    ive broken 4 digits
    Gift
  • Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim:
    (ok, not me technically, since i myself didnt spend the money,my parents did, but still)
    Gift
  • Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim:
    also on a related note, i should start treating my keyboard better, my friend saw my keyboard while visiting my house and he said "holy shit why is it this dirty do you like shove it up your ass right after you clean it or something"
    Gift
  • KennieDaMeanie @ KennieDaMeanie:
    Lol you'd imagine anyone that can put 1k towards a ds would have fuck it money and just buy it again
    Gift
  • Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim:
    (and for those of you wondering, no i dont shove it up my ass i just eat while gaming)
    Gift
  • KennieDaMeanie @ KennieDaMeanie:
    I swear some of these new users are duplicate accounts just to troll the shitbox lol
    Gift
  • Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim:
    i mean, let's not pretend we contribute great stuff here normally
    Gift
  • KennieDaMeanie @ KennieDaMeanie:
    So you admit to having duplicate accounts? Sickly you know the offense for that :0
    +1
    Gift
  • Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim:
    although it does have it's moments, where else would i have to specify i dont shove keyboards up my ass
    Gift
  • KennieDaMeanie @ KennieDaMeanie:
    Fun fact I didn't really realize the big pack in little Debbie's meant big snacks I thought they were double layred so I got home and was amazed and felt sick after finishing a big Christmas tree
    +1
    Gift
  • Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim:
    oh shit it's almost christmas, i need to make a christmas pfp like last year
    Gift
    Julie_Pilgrim @ Julie_Pilgrim: oh shit it's almost christmas, i need to make a christmas pfp like last year