Children being sexually abused, given psychotropic drugs in ICE detention centers

[Xzi]

https://www.propublica.org/article/...molesting-eight-children-at-immigrant-shelter

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...dren-subjected-to-widespread-abuse-by-officia

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna895966

This is no longer defensible in any way, even if a person was somehow able to previously justify jailing children six years old and younger. These children are being treated like prisoners of war.

Among the allegations, U.S. officials are said to have:

• Denied a pregnant minor medical attention when she reported pain, which preceded a stillbirth.
• Subjected a 16-year-old girl to a search in which they "forcefully spread her legs and touched her private parts so hard that she screamed."
• Left a 4-lb. premature baby and her minor mother in an overcrowded and dirty cell filled with sick people, against medical advice.
• Threw out a child's birth certificate and threatened him with sexual abuse by an adult male detainee.
• Ran over a 17-year-old with a patrol vehicle and then punched him repeatedly.

*A short list from just one of the articles

As far as I'm concerned, anybody involved with this shit, up to and including Trump, deserve nothing less than the guillotine.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Jesus Fuck

 

[AngryCinnabon]

America's declined, now they're punishing the victim like the middle East does!? Sometimes I just get so sick hearing how barbaric our neighbors can be... I don't hate America but holy shit they've lived up to their asshole stereotype.

 

[spotanjo3]

Not surprised. I dont hate America either but not my favorite country at all, thought. Anyway, America is crazy like this sexual abuse, sad, indeed.

 

[FAST6191]

Assuming this is the case then I am not sure why shut down would be the response as opposed to rework from the top down. Or if you prefer then failure of implementation rather than failure of concept and I can't see a failure of implementation as inevitable in this case.

 

[Hanafuda]

As far as I'm concerned, anybody involved with this shit, up to and including Trump, deserve nothing less than the guillotine.

So, everyone in the Trump administration, and everyone who was part of the Obama administration too, up to and including Obama? I'm on board.

Among the allegations, U.S. officials are said to have:

• Denied a pregnant minor medical attention when she reported pain, which preceded a stillbirth.
• Subjected a 16-year-old girl to a search in which they "forcefully spread her legs and touched her private parts so hard that she screamed."
• Left a 4-lb. premature baby and her minor mother in an overcrowded and dirty cell filled with sick people, against medical advice.
• Threw out a child's birth certificate and threatened him with sexual abuse by an adult male detainee.
• Ran over a 17-year-old with a patrol vehicle and then punched him repeatedly.

According to your npr link, all those things happened between 2009 and 2014. Obama.


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[TotalInsanity4]

So, everyone in the Trump administration, and everyone who was part of the Obama administration too, up to and including Obama? I'm on board.






According to your npr link, all those things happened between 2009 and 2014. Obama.

Just because a Democrat did it doesn't make it in any way better. I highly regard FDR in many regards but his administration forcing Japanese-native citizens into concentration camps is unforgivable. This is the same thing, overall good President who's administration did heinous shit that they definitely should be held accountable for

 

[Hanafuda]

Just because a Democrat did it doesn't make it in any way better. I highly regard FDR in many regards but his administration forcing Japanese-native citizens into concentration camps is unforgivable. This is the same thing, overall good President who's administration did heinous shit that they definitely should be held accountable for

So, you vote guillotine for Obama too, then?

I'm being a bit facetious here, and you and I typically get along so I'll own up to that. Can't help but score a point when it's right there in front of you. But no need to deflect to FDR, let's keep this in the now. The big FED machine is a multi-headed hydra and its main objective, certainly far above the welfare of the people, is self-preservation and growth. Trump probably didn't know any more about the family separation issue before it broke than Obama did, but once it did break it's really Congress that needs to act, not the President. The legislative branch passed the laws that necessitated family separation, sometime back in the Clinton years IIRC. Trump can issue an executive order, and he did .. and judges can issue orders, and they have ... but the law is still the same now as it has been for years. And the machine's gonna keep running according to its programming day-in, day-out, regardless of who's in the White House, until the programming is changed. And btw this all did come to light while Obama was President and the media wouldn't report it, and Pelosi stressed then that we shouldn't politicize it. The tunes people whistle sure do change.

The real solution to the problem is a secure border, but that idea offends some people for some reason.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

The real solution to the problem is a secure border, but that idea offends some people for some reason.

I disagree, and I'd cite the EU as evidence

And no, I'd never nominate anyone for the guillotine in this day and age. I will say though that there are some politicians that could do to have PAC/lobbyist funding cut off entirely, for example

 

[Xzi]

So, everyone in the Trump administration, and everyone who was part of the Obama administration too, up to and including Obama? I'm on board.

According to your npr link, all those things happened between 2009 and 2014. Obama.

You're not wrong. Just goes to show that scumbags lie in wait for their opportunity inside agencies like ICE and Border Protection. Then people like Trump come along and enable them even further through mass detention of children.

(((LGBT))) : "Pedophilia is normal and should be legal, after all love is love"

This is incredibly bigoted and ignorant, many (if not most) cases involving pedophiles are straight men.

 

[Carnelian]

You're not wrong. Just goes to show that scumbags lie in wait for their opportunity inside agencies like ICE and Border Protection. Then people like Trump come along and enable them even further through mass detention of children.


This is incredibly bigoted and ignorant, many (if not most) cases involving pedophiles are straight men.

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1024306072604037122

 

[Xzi]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1024306072604037122

Wow, a tweet from a guy with a well-known political bias. That totally legitimizes your moronic hateful statement. /s

 

[Chary]

Friendly reminder that flamebait, racism, and name-calling with slurs is against the rules.

 

[Wolfy]

Wow, everyone's going to town on this news, yes it sucks, and what they do is inexcusable. But honestly they keep coming and it's not making the situation any better, with all these people that get stuck here just to send them back is stupidity. I've got no problem with these people trying to escape from horrible countries but gosh dang we can't be expected to baby-sit them and pay for all of it when there's so many.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Wow, everyone's going to town on this news, yes it sucks, and what they do is inexcusable. But honestly they keep coming and it's not making the situation any better, with all these people that get stuck here just to send them back is stupidity. I've got no problem with these people trying to escape from horrible countries but gosh dang we can't be expected to baby-sit them and pay for all of it when there's so many.

Well... Why not? Many asylum seekers demonstrate that they're willing to work for pay, so it's not even like we're just playing host to them. As a matter of fact, you could really say they're doing us a favor economically, considering they aren't actually entitled to tax-related benefits until they complete citizenship, in spite of contributing to the national GDP and in most cases even paying taxes as required

 

[ChaosEternal]

Is this even news? Sounds like how our prison system treats US citizens everyday. If we can't even treat our own countrymen right, why would anyone expect us to treat other people well? If this deserves the guillotine, then we're going to have to be executing a lot of people. And not just people in this administration, but people from the previous one too and probably every one before that for decades.

 

[erikas]

I disagree, and I'd cite the EU as evidence

And no, I'd never nominate anyone for the guillotine in this day and age. I will say though that there are some politicians that could do to have PAC/lobbyist funding cut off entirely, for example

I would cite the EU as evidence to the opposite. Everything was fine when it was just the rich countries collaborating and opening borders between them. But then everything went to shit when they decided to let people from backwards countries, most of whom are religious fanatics, in. To get into EU a country had to fit certain criteria. Mexico fits none of them.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I would cite the EU as evidence to the opposite. Everything was fine when it was just the rich countries collaborating and opening borders between them. But then everything went to shit when they decided to let people from backwards countries, most of whom are religious fanatics, in. To get into EU a country had to fit certain criteria. Mexico fits none of them.

Could you expand on that a bit? I feel like you're trying to make a good point but it's being muddied by phrasing that makes your post sound rather elitist, entitled, and slightly ignorant to requirements to become an EU member country

Note that's not me being snarky, it's just my observation and me trying to prod a bit more of an explanation out of you

 

[Xzi]

Can we fuck off with this pedo buzzword? You're literally devaluing the word from "immoral human being who preys upon the innocence of youth" to "literally anyone left of far-right on the political spectrum" and it's making you look stupid. You're literally making Xzi look like a beacon of sanity by comparison and he has meltdowns any time Trump wipes his ass.

I refuse to pretend there's some form of normalcy to the things Trump and his administration do. You do a great job of isolating a big issue here: Trump's base loves accusing anybody they disagree with of being pedophiles, because it's the most damning thing they can think up. When you present them with actual documented cases of pedophilia, however, they stay silent or try to deflect because the accused almost never fits their narrative. At the same time they run candidates like Roy Moore. Goes to show how little the right wing actually cares about atrocities like child abuse, it's just a political baseball for them.

Is this even news? Sounds like how our prison system treats US citizens everyday.

Detaining and abusing children as young as six is not an everyday thing, no. We haven't traditionally had pre-school correction centers. Definitely a new low, unless you count Japanese internment camps, but even there at least families were kept together.

 

[ChaosEternal]

Detaining and abusing children as young as six is not an everyday thing, no. We haven't traditionally had pre-school correction centers. Definitely a new low, unless you count Japanese internment camps, but even there families were kept together.

I wasn't referring to the detaining, I meant the specific instances you listed. All of them bring to mind other cases I've seen over the past few years regarding our prison system. If anything, the fact that our prison system affects millions as opposed to thousands in this case may make it the true low, although there is little point in arguing which is worse. My true point was that a lot of that abuse goes on every day in our normal prison system and nobody does a damn thing. Physical beatings, intentional denial of medical care, invasive searches, piss-poor treatment in general, all of it is practically endemic to our awful system.