Can someone explain whats so special about linux?

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@RockmanForte are you asking if Linux itself is legal?

MS and a few others have released some "it falls foul of our patents" at various points over the years (I will spare a mini rant on how stupid an idea software patents are) but have never even qualified it and certainly never done anything about it ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/07/pa...pen_source_fud/ has something).
After that you probably have several linux devices already- it runs on everything from supercomputers to tiny embedded devices and if that is not enough there is some debate as to what percentage of web servers use it but it rates highly among those (well into double digits to well over half depending on the person you are speaking to).

Much like any OS (technically linux is a kernel rather than an OS) there are things you can do that might cause some branch of law enforcement somewhere to say hello (probably installing operating systems with patent encumbered format support for money) if they really wanted to bother you but straight linux and most of what goes on is perfectly legit.

Proof.... the original author releasing it under GPL2.0 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/...=blob;f=COPYING ?
 

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FAST6191 said:
@RockmanForte are you asking if Linux itself is legal?

MS and a few others have released some "it falls foul of our patents" at various points over the years (I will spare a mini rant on how stupid an idea software patents are) but have never even qualified it and certainly never done anything about it ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/07/pa...pen_source_fud/ has something).
After that you probably have several linux devices already- it runs on everything from supercomputers to tiny embedded devices and if that is not enough there is some debate as to what percentage of web servers use it but it rates highly among those (well into double digits to well over half depending on the person you are speaking to).

Much like any OS (technically linux is a kernel rather than an OS) there are things you can do that might cause some branch of law enforcement somewhere to say hello (probably installing operating systems with patent encumbered format support for money) if they really wanted to bother you but straight linux and most of what goes on is perfectly legit.

Proof.... the original author releasing it under GPL2.0 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/...=blob;f=COPYING ?

Thanks. Thats what I am looking for.

Which is better ? There are several of Linux such as UBUNTU and what others ? Which one is better?
 

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My dad's an experienced programmer whom mostly does stuff on embedded linux platforms nowadays.
He tried to get me to use Redhat 9 back when I was a kid, but I was too young to really get a good grasp on it.
Now that I'm older, I've really come to appreciate Linux. I've been using it as my primary OS for two or three years now.
It's got everything I want, and in a well-organized manner. (I've got Windows 7 installed as well, but I rarely ever boot into it anymore.)
I started out with Ubuntu (probably 8.x or 9.10), and later transitioned to Linux Mint (Basically it's Ubuntu, without the ugly.)
Now I'm using Linux Mint Debian Edition.
For people new to Linux, I would recommend Linux Mint Main Edition
It works as a live distro (meaning you don't have to install anything to your hard disk to try it), so you might as well check it out.

I love Synaptic Package Manager.
It's SO much better than having to go hunt and download
an installer from some website every time you need something.
Would be nice if Windows was designed to work well with something like apt, but nope.
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Rydian said:
Every time I do the test, I get Mandriva, which seems to be the retarded distro of the bunch...
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Am I really that stupid?
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Also, I've been considering Fedora and I have almost no history on Linux (besides installing Ubuntu onto a netbook once). Is it too much for me? I think I know my way around computers...
 

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Asking for the best distribution is a bit like asking "what is the best vehicle?". I assume you mean best desktop distro though.

For newcomers it is generally suggested you steer clear of the more exotic/specialised distributions unless you actually need something it does (even then you can usually download the package to turn one of the distros into what you need- if playing home user most likely XBMC http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Insta..._XBMC_for_Linux which can turn an old computer into a top flight media box)

I should also mention liveCDs and virtual machines.
LiveCDs (although you can twist a USB drive into them these days) boot the machine into them bypassing the OS on the hard drive
Virtual machines are emulators by any other name and can emulate a full computer in which you can run whatever you like. You can also flip it around and run a virtual machine in linux if you need to run something that only works in windows and a compatibility layer like WINE is not cutting it.

LiveCDs are great when you have a virus and need to pull things off a machine but aside from that they can be used to make sure your hardware plays well with linux (things are pretty good these days)

Nimbus covered most of what I suggest for a first spin although I might add puppy linux which is designed for use as a liveCD and can be made very lightweight (it pretty much is to begin with).

Personally if I had no other distro in my pouch of discs it would be puppy linux but that is because I find it so useful for general messing around and what I tend to do (grab things from hard drives and couple it with a USB drive to allow me to have "my" computer wherever I happen to be) although if I do another for more general use/showing off it would have to be linux mint closely followed by arch and opensuse.
I quite like debian for servers of various flavours and although it gave rise to ubuntu (which gave rise to mint) I am not convinced it holds for a home PC, if doing corporate computers I am quite happy to have debian though.

In no real order
Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, OpenSuSE, Arch Linux and puppy linux.

If you have the time download a copy of each liveCD and burn a couple of discs or run it in a VM to get the hang of things.

This is not getting anywhere really though so a quick overview of linux.

linux as mentioned in a previous post is a kernel. This runs the machine more or less.

On top of this is usually stacked X11 (this provides a kind of command line and a few choice things at a slightly higher level). Some of the network managed distributions stop here (or sometimes before).

On top of this is the window manager and/or desktop environment- GNOME and KDE are the "big two" and come with a lot but XFCE, unity and LXDE are others that might be quicker and have less stuff bundled.

On top of this you can have the file managers and things like compiz which do the 3d effects you might have seen

You can pick what you like in the way of window managers. It makes little difference and for the higher end ones you can install any underlying libraries should a program need it (you can run a "KDE program" on Gnome as long as you have the KDE libraries installed and vice versa and so forth).


Of course all these are customisable at various levels and the better distributions wind it all together and customise them according to whatever they feel like. Distributions also bundle programs (some of which are low level programs- the command line might change between distributions although it is usually fairly similar) although it tends to mean web browser, office program, image viewer, some computer management software but this brings us to the next topic of packages.
On windows one tends to download a file named something like setup.exe and run it leaving the setup to sort everything and do what it likes. Linux considers this a stupid idea (and from a security standpoint it pretty much is) so you have packages and repositories aka repos.

Each distribution (although there is a measure of cross compatibility for some) has a method of installing software which is why you sometimes get a long list of downloads for effectively the same file ( http://www.winehq.org/download/ is a nice example). As the end user you find it, press run, allow it to run if the OS asks you and watch it install. There are advantages and disadvantages to different methods but ignore that debate.

Alongside this though you have something you might not be used to if you have windows. Repos are like mini websites (your distro will tend to have a management program for this). They tend to be slightly behind the websites but not enough that you have to worry.
Depending on your distribution you might have to add a "third party" distro to add things like DVD playback and audio codecs (patents getting in the way of things or them doing things the main distribution might not want to be directly associated with).

Of course you often also have the ability to download source code and turn it into a working program but that can be left for later.
 

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I won't go off on a rant about Linux, but just wanted to clarify what FAST6191 is saying about repos.

This is one of the most convenient things about Linux. Repos and package managers. Say I wanted to install VLC (I would never want that but whatever), I would go to the website, download the file, unzip it and run the installer. On Arch Linux I would type 'pacman -S vlc' into a terminal window and the install would be done in seconds without any further input from me. Most distros have a system like this. Arch's is one of the best. It makes installing new things ever so convenient. Setting up a Linux distro from scratch would be borderline impossible using Windows methods.
 

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Midna said:
I won't go off on a rant about Linux, but just wanted to clarify what FAST6191 is saying about repos.

This is one of the most convenient things about Linux. Repos and package managers. Say I wanted to install VLC (I would never want that but whatever), I would go to the website, download the file, unzip it and run the installer. On Arch Linux I would type 'pacman -S vlc' into a terminal window and the install would be done in seconds without any further input from me. Most distros have a system like this. Arch's is one of the best. It makes installing new things ever so convenient. Setting up a Linux distro from scratch would be borderline impossible using Windows methods.
the one i like the more is the ubuntu software center as it gives you
screen shoots ,reviews ,rating,download button,infos like size and things like that for a certain software
 

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one of the things about it like are the freedom.

if there is something about the system that you feel you could have done better, there is nothing stopping your from just doing it.

if it doesnt something you dont like, then you are free to change it. you dont have to call up customer service, get the run-around, and maybe in the next release in 6 months your issue will be addressed. you can get the source code for the relevant program, edit it to your liking, and give your changes out to anybody else in the world.

if there is some cool feature of some program, or some behaviour of the system that you want to know more about, you are free to dig around in the relevant programs and see exactly what it is doing.


i also like the "it just works". this is true for most things. most of the obscure hardware i have laying around just works. my USB Gecko, scanners, printers, random USB peripherals all just work. i didnt have to install a single driver. on my mom's (windoze) laptop, she has to install drivers and all this stuff to be able to access the printer & scanner.
the exception to this are my FlatMii modchip and minimalist distros like gentoo. FlatMii is so obscure, that it never had supporting software written for linux. And the minimalist distros like gentoo believe "why would i want to have support for some hardware that i dont own?". it is against their philosophy to have support for all this stuff unless you specifically put it there.
 

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What's so special about it is that it's not Microsoft and it's not Apple. That alone makes it worth it to learn.
 

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Well as stated before it's free and open source, so people can take it and do whatever they want with it.
Personally I just love using Fedora myself. It's a nice middle ground, not too easy to use at the same time not to hard to figure out.
 

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