Dark Langin said:Well I am completely against piracy I do not care what reason. NAH
I just found out that some game developers cannot develop anymore cos we do not buy anything!
antwill said:Can I just say that people saying the only reason people pirate is because they can't afford it, is total bullshit.
Look at that Indie games pack that was around not too long ago, all you had to do was donate money to however much you wanted to pay. Not how much the developers wanted, how much you wanted. Well it's pretty obvious what happened next. Instead of people paying even say 1c, they pirated the games.
You all need to stop making excuses for what you're doing and trying to act as if it makes it any more right because you can't afford the games. Well guess what, you don't have a right to download them, or a need, you just WANT to play them. That is all, nothing more to it than that. All it comes down to is greed.
Shinigami357 said:antwill said:Snippy snip
Oh, the moral high road, huh? Ok, imagine if you were an artist or something. If some of you're art was stolen before you sold it, you wouldn't get a thing, and you'd be pissed. Now, if your art got burned, or your cat slashed it all up, or it was damaged while you were transporting it, you would say it happens, and go on. Only when you see the money do you scream bloody hell, anything else, it's just bad luck. Wouldn't that be a pretty good case of Greed?
The game industry is like this; if the game was pirated, they scream bloody murder even if the game did sell. If it was burned accidentally, the shipment crashed, or some person in the company messed it up, they wouldn't be such a brouhaha. It's still also just Greed.
If as you say, that people only choose to see it from the "i can't afford it" perspective, but not that the company only sees the "they stole our damn money" perspective, then you'd be rather biased, since actual people have infinitely more things to worry about than a company made to do one thing.
Now, look at it from the point of view that there might be some pirates out there who actually appreciate their work even if they couldn't afford it rather than some rich snob who'd buy something and forget it (after all, gaming is an expensive hobby). Coz people assume pirates don't enjoy the games as much as those who buy it, but then they forget that sometimes it's the free thing that really gets to you, rather than the thing you bought that you could have hundreds of. Wouldn't it be pirated only by people who actually care about it? Isn't it the community here that helps each other because they actually give a damn, the kind of people who would gladly lay down money if they had it for something they gave a damn about?
I believe piracy is not right, but it isn't killing off the industry, far from it. Don't be mistaken, us guys here love the industry as much as the guy who does pay, we just have the bad luck to face reality more than some do, so we can't afford to support it the same way.
30084pm said:Shinigami357 said:antwill said:Snippy snip
Now, look at it from the point of view that there might be some pirates out there who actually appreciate their work even if they couldn't afford it rather than some rich snob who'd buy something and forget it (after all, gaming is an expensive hobby). Coz people assume pirates don't enjoy the games as much as those who buy it, but then they forget that sometimes it's the free thing that really gets to you, rather than the thing you bought that you could have hundreds of. Wouldn't it be pirated only by people who actually care about it? Isn't it the community here that helps each other because they actually give a damn, the kind of people who would gladly lay down money if they had it for something they gave a damn about?
I believe piracy is not right, but it isn't killing off the industry, far from it. Don't be mistaken, us guys here love the industry as much as the guy who does pay, we just have the bad luck to face reality more than some do, so we can't afford to support it the same way.
*applaudes"
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Just thought I'd leave this here...
I'm all against piracy, BTW.
You missed my point, I was never talking about or from the perspective of the industry or anything like that. I was merely saying, all those people who say "Oh I pirate because I can't afford games," are just making up excuses and should stop acting like they have a right to pirate because they have no money. People will do what they want, but it's about time they stop trying to make excuses for their actions. So what if you have no money, you don't need to play games, all it comes down to is you wanting something you can't legally have (at the moment). Just admit, "Yeah I have no money, so I pirate games, doesn't make it any right or fair, just the only way I can play the games that I so selfishly want."Shinigami357 said:I believe piracy is not right, but it isn't killing off the industry, far from it. Don't be mistaken, us guys here love the industry as much as the guy who does pay, we just have the bad luck to face reality more than some do, so we can't afford to support it the same way.
antwill said:You missed my point, I was never talking about or from the perspective of the industry or anything like that. I was merely saying, all those people who say "Oh I pirate because I can't afford games," are just making up excuses and should stop acting like they have a right to pirate because they have no money. People will do what they want, but it's about time they stop trying to make excuses for their actions. So what if you have no money, you don't need to play games, all it comes down to is you wanting something you can't legally have (at the moment). Just admit, "Yeah I have no money, so I pirate games, doesn't make it any right or fair, just the only way I can play the games that I so selfishly want."Shinigami357 said:I believe piracy is not right, but it isn't killing off the industry, far from it. Don't be mistaken, us guys here love the industry as much as the guy who does pay, we just have the bad luck to face reality more than some do, so we can't afford to support it the same way.
And you just proved my point, that people will make up excuses trying to make it seem right that they pirate. There is nothing more to it than selfishness, it's not like someone will die unless you pirate, or you will get yelled at if you don't pirate games... Fact is it's a hobby, not a necessity, and as such, you can live without playing a few games that you can't afford at the moment. People just want to come up with excuses trying to justify this behaviour.Shinigami357 said:And my point is you can't judge us from one point of view. I can see where you're coming from, but one point of view is too cramped, almost narrow-minded if you think only selfishness fuels pirates to do what they do, sometimes there's more than 2 sides to the story, if you know what i mean. It's one thing to say being selfish is wrong, and entirely something else to say all of us are selfish hicks.