roeVwade:Same-sex couples updating legal status after Supreme Court’s decision on abortion (Jay Reeves) [+CNN clip]

Iamapirate said:

Most abortions are done for convenience

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Tell me you're twelve without telling me you're twelve. Abortions are necessary even in several situations where the fetus is already dead (miscarriages).

SyphenFreht said:

That's odd, I can't seem to find any statistics to support the propaganda you're spitting. Care to share some sources?

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It's not odd when your only sources are the corporate media. That's called confirmation bias, laziness and fear of being proven wrong.

Below is a map with every Planned Parenthood in the US with address included and what is the general population in those areas.

Hope this helps clear up some of the propaganda confusion you've been reading.

https://www.protectingblacklife.org/pp_targets/

MikaDubbz said:

Funny how so many of the people that supported the reversal of Roe vs Wade, are the same people that cry at the thought of revisiting the second amendment, and not even necessarily to flat out reverse it, but just to make stricter gun laws in general.

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Because abortion is not a constitutional right. The Supreme Court just made that up back in the 70's. The right to keep and bear arms is in the Bill of Rights and is nonnegotiable. We see what the left does when they are given an inch. No abortions after 20 weeks turned into abortions up until birth and if the baby survives the procedure, the woman can still decide to kill it. Income tax was initially for the top 1%. Now we all pay.

If the left would debate honestly, we may be able to find middle ground, but they can't and we won't. You only have yourself to blame advocating for such extreme positions. The left are stupid because you still haven't learned your lesson. Keep advocating for 3rd trimester abortions and grooming kindergartners and see what happens in November.

TraderPatTX said:

Because abortion is not a constitutional right. The Supreme Court just made that up back in the 70's. The right to keep and bear arms is in the Bill of Rights and is nonnegotiable. We see what the left does when they are given an inch. No abortions after 20 weeks turned into abortions up until birth and if the baby survives the procedure, the woman can still decide to kill it. Income tax was initially for the top 1%. Now we all pay.

If the left would debate honestly, we may be able to find middle ground, but they can't and we won't. You only have yourself to blame advocating for such extreme positions. The left are stupid because you still haven't learned your lesson. Keep advocating for 3rd trimester abortions and grooming kindergartners and see what happens in November.

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lol whatever backwards logic it takes for you to believe the 'wisdom' of 250 years ago isn't worth revisiting, but that of 50 years ago is. Also, it's convenient how these people so sure that the constitution is sacred and shouldn't be changed in time, kinda just gloss over the whole 18th amendment lol.

Xzi said:

Tell me you're twelve without telling me you're twelve. Abortions are necessary even in several situations where the fetus is already dead (miscarriages).

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I hate to drive an SUV through your parade, but facts don't care about your feelings. This is why the left loses debates. When your argument is based in lies and emotion, facts will destroy it every single time.

Here's a link to a 2005 study. You can read the whole thing or just do a page search for "Table 2". Notice that medical reasons, rape and incest are all at the very bottom of that list with the smallest percentages, because those are not the reasons for the vast majority of abortions in the United States.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals...ons-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

TraderPatTX said:

I hate to drive an SUV through your parade, but facts don't care about your feelings. This is why the left loses debates. When your argument is based in lies and emotion, facts will destroy it every single time.

Here's a link to a 2005 study. You can read the whole thing or just do a page search for "Table 2". Notice that medical reasons, rape and incest are all at the very bottom of that list with the smallest percentages, because those are not the reasons for the vast majority of abortions in the United States.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals...ons-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

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Good thing I didn't say those cases constitute the majority of abortions then. I said abortions are absolutely necessary for those scenarios. It's completely irrelevant if the reason the majority have abortions is due to economic strain, or even simply because they don't believe they'd make good parent(s). The state has no right to step between people and their doctors, nor does it have the right to legislate morality/religion. And that's a fact that doesn't care about your feelings.

Xzi said:

Good thing I didn't say those cases constitute the majority of abortions then. I said abortions are absolutely necessary for those scenarios. It's completely irrelevant if the reason the majority have abortions is due to economic strain, or even simply because they don't believe they'd make good parent(s). The state has no right to step between people and their doctors, nor does it have the right to legislate morality/religion. And that's a fact that doesn't care about your feelings.

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The government's job is to provide an environment for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Notice that life is listed first, because without life, your other rights have zero meaning.

We already allow the state to come between us and our doctors. Have you heard of Obamacare? Were you aware that certain prescriptions were being made illegal during Covid? The left had no qualms demonizing doctors over the past 2 years because they went against the official narrative. So your concern about patients and doctors is laughable on it's face.

Overturning a Supreme Court ruling that was based on lies admitted by Roe herself is not legislating. Cope harder.

TraderPatTX said:

The government's job is to provide an environment for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Notice that life is listed first, because without life, your other rights have zero meaning.

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This would imply prioritizing fully developed thinking and feeling life over life that cannot exist independent of a female host body.

TraderPatTX said:

We already allow the state to come between us and our doctors. Have you heard of Obamacare? Were you aware that certain prescriptions were being made illegal during Covid? The left had no qualms demonizing doctors over the past 2 years because they went against the official narrative. So your concern about patients and doctors is laughable on it's face.

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Romney/Obamacare is a half-assed attempt at a fix to the scam industry that is healthcare insurance. It may have forced you to change doctors years back but it does not involve itself beyond that. Should be obvious by now the only fix to the industry is universal healthcare, but the military-industrial complex will never allow for that.

TraderPatTX said:

Overturning a Supreme Court ruling that was based on lies admitted by Roe herself is not legislating. Cope harder.

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"Yay team police state!" As if you didn't just lose the constitutional right to privacy as well. You might be programmed to cheer for this type of shit, but real Americans will only stand for so much trampling on our human rights. The North kicked your confederate teeth in once already, keep fucking around and find out.

Xzi said:

This would imply prioritizing fully developed thinking and feeling life over life that cannot exist independent of a female host body.


Romney/Obamacare is a half-assed attempt at a fix to the scam industry that is healthcare insurance. It may have forced you to change doctors years back but it does not involve itself beyond that. Should be obvious by now the only fix to the industry is universal healthcare, but the military-industrial complex will never allow for that.


"Yay team police state!" As if you didn't just lose the constitutional right to privacy as well. You might be programmed to cheer for this type of shit, but real Americans will only stand for so much trampling on our human rights. The North kicked your confederate teeth in once already, keep fucking around and find out.

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People in a coma would like a word with you.

I had to change doctors in 2010. That was so long ago and has no bearing on today. Sure, the answer to all of our problems is always more government intrusion in our lives. Govern me harder baby!!

We didn't lose the right to privacy. You just lost the ability to not have to debate abortion, which the left cannot do. People having the ability to elect state legislatures to pass laws they want is more freedom than 9 white guys in black robes handing down bad decisions. You people cry about democracy until you can't debate your position and want the courts to step in. It's almost like everything you say you are for is complete bullshit. You don't care about democracy. You don't care about there being an oligarchy. You just want more centralized power in the federal government. The right wants power restored to the states and people where it belongs.

TraderPatTX said:

It's not odd when your only sources are the corporate media. That's called confirmation bias, laziness and fear of being proven wrong.

Below is a map with every Planned Parenthood in the US with address included and what is the general population in those areas.

Hope this helps clear up some of the propaganda confusion you've been reading.

https://www.protectingblacklife.org/pp_targets/

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The website in question uses data from 12 years ago, has a Twitter account that hasn't been in use since 2017, and is quite disingenuous. The map might be able to prove the location of abortion clinics, however I feel the statistics behind the location of them compared to minority neighborhoods is off, especially since the website itself hasn't been under consistent upkeep for, quite a while. Also, as the organization behind it stems from Pro Republican sources and ideals, it just breathes disingenuity.

If you were to pinpoint more accurate details in the way of minority neighborhoods aside from random colored blots with some addresses thrown in there, backed by an unbiased source such as the CDC, I'd be more inclined to believe it. However, seeing as how anyone can Google some addresses and apply them to a map with colored portions of said map and call it statistics, you're going to have to do better.

Please God try to give me a reply with something other than "the informations right in front of you and you're still denying it!"

SyphenFreht said:

The website in question uses data from 12 years ago, has a Twitter account that hasn't been in use since 2017, and is quite disingenuous. The map might be able to prove the location of abortion clinics, however I feel the statistics behind the location of them compared to minority neighborhoods is off, especially since the website itself hasn't been under consistent upkeep for, quite a while. Also, as the organization behind it stems from Pro Republican sources and ideals, it just breathes disingenuity.

If you were to pinpoint more accurate details in the way of minority neighborhoods aside from random colored blots with some addresses thrown in there, backed by an unbiased source such as the CDC, I'd be more inclined to believe it. However, seeing as how anyone can Google some addresses and apply them to a map with colored portions of said map and call it statistics, you're going to have to do better.

Please God try to give me a reply with something other than "the informations right in front of you and you're still denying it!"

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The bolded and underlined part of your comment is the reason why the left fails debates. It doesn't matter what you feel and I don't care how you feel. Once again, you look to the federal government to tell you what to believe even though they have been caught lying over and over and over again.

Imagine thinking that using Google Maps and actual addresses that are on Planned Parenthood's website is not enough evidence for you. It's more than enough for normal people. Sorry to inform you, but Stephen Colbert will never mention this so you will believe it.

TraderPatTX said:

We didn't lose the right to privacy.

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You sure did, read the decision moron.

TraderPatTX said:

You people cry about democracy until you can't debate your position and want the courts to step in.

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I can literally always debate my position, because my position is consistently in favor of more freedoms and liberties. Yours is in favor of oppression under authority that you believe is granted to you by some imaginary sky daddy. I was born with freedom from religious tyranny, and I'll die with the same, regardless of what some court of rapists and cultists says.

TraderPatTX said:

The bolded and underlined part of your comment is the reason why the left fails debates. It doesn't matter what you feel and I don't care how you feel. Once again, you look to the federal government to tell you what to believe even though they have been caught lying over and over and over again.

Imagine thinking that using Google Maps and actual addresses that are on Planned Parenthood's website is not enough evidence for you. It's more than enough for normal people. Sorry to inform you, but Stephen Colbert will never mention this so you will believe it.

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But you make it seem like anyone who isn't the government only tells the truth, and that's disingenuous as well. To have the opinion that only the government lies (which is often Republican backed; after all you say the left consistently fails) is naive at best. You post a biased website that hasn't been updated in years to back a biased point and then accuse anyone who disagrees of lying or being manipulated by liars. Bias rarely provides truth, whether you're on the left, the right, or in between. It's like calling me out because I "feel" the statistics are off, but then you only browse sites that show fake statistics that adhere only to the points you think are truthful. The fact of the matter is that you're trying to hold the platform that abortion is an anti minority movement, when there are proven stories of Conservative Republicans utilizing abortions to erase their infidelities.

Try again.

Imagine thinking you can pull addresses and apply them to a map with made up minority statistics on a website that's all but defunct and trying to pass that off as fact, despite the actual statistics presented being outdated by more than a decade. Even if the statistics were true back then, it's been 12 years. The data is old, irrelevant, and biased toward the Republican control agenda.

Try again. Use something a little more recent, with actual material that back it up besides addresses and colored maps.

I like that you use Stephen Colbert as a reference, considering his role as a comedic actor. I assume you also align with Alex Jones?

Xzi said:

You sure did, read the decision moron.


I can literally always debate my position, because my position is consistently in favor of more freedoms and liberties. Yours is in favor of the oppression under authority that you believe is granted to you by some imaginary sky daddy. I was born with freedom from religious tyranny, and I'll die with the same, regardless of what some court of rapists and cultists says.

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Personal insults and assumptions are a sure sign of a losing debate position. Please continue assume that I'm some religious zealot since I have never mentioned religion at all. All that the Supreme Court did was verify that abortion is not in the purview of the federal government and is better left up to the states and the people. They upheld the 10th Amendment. You know, one of many amendments the left outright despises. Now the left is forced to debate 3rd trimester abortions and infanticide. Have fun with that, mate.

TraderPatTX said:

...Sure, the answer to all of our problems is always more government intrusion in our lives.

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TraderPatTX said:

...Govern me harder baby!!

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TraderPatTX said:

...You people cry about democracy until you can't debate your position and want the courts to step in. It's almost like everything you say you are for is complete bullshit. You don't care about democracy. You don't care about there being an oligarchy. You just want more centralized power in the federal government.

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Awfully hypocritical of you to take this standpoint while also praising the government for appealing to your ideals. Your platform would have a lot more integrity if people like you weren't so flip floppy with your ideals.

You support small government but then celebrate when big government steps in to take away women's rights. You support small government but then celebrate when Christian laws get passed on a federal level. You support small government but then want a Republican president. Seems to be you people should be more anarchist than Democrats, but here we are, highlighting the fact that everyone on the right seems to have little to understanding of politics and cry whenever they get called out on their hypocrisy.

SyphenFreht said:

But you make it seem like anyone who isn't the government only tells the truth, and that's disingenuous as well. To have the opinion that only the government lies (which is often Republican backed; after all you say the left consistently fails) is naive at best. You post a biased website that hasn't been updated in years to back a biased point and then accuse anyone who disagrees of lying or being manipulated by liars. Bias rarely provides truth, whether you're on the left, the right, or in between. It's like calling me out because I "feel" the statistics are off, but then you only browse sites that show fake statistics that adhere only to the points you think are truthful. The fact of the matter is that you're trying to hold the platform that abortion is an anti minority movement, when there are proven stories of Conservative Republicans utilizing abortions to erase their infidelities.

Try again.

Imagine thinking you can pull addresses and apply them to a map with made up minority statistics on a website that's all but defunct and trying to pass that off as fact, despite the actual statistics presented being outdated by more than a decade. Even if the statistics were true back then, it's been 12 years. The data is old, irrelevant, and biased toward the Republican control agenda.

Try again. Use something a little more recent, with actual material that back it up besides addresses and colored maps.

I like that you use Stephen Colbert as a reference, considering his role as a comedic actor. I assume you also align with Alex Jones?

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You make it seem like that only the government and corporate media tell the truth. The corporate media only regurgitates what the government tells them, which is why their ratings are cratering. Seems a little authoritarian to me, but that's what the left likes. Anything to get away from inconvenient debates. You haven't proven how this site is filled with fake information except for how you feel about it.

There have been more aborted black babies than any other race. You bringing in edge cases of Republicans using abortion doesn't hold water.

How does the "Republican control agenda" even make sense if more power is given back to the states and the people? You want control to be centralized in DC or better yet, by the UN, far away from the people. Your argument doesn't even make sense.

If I provided something more recent, you would come up with more lame excuses to dismiss it. It's what you do.

Alex Jones is controlled opposition similar to Fox News and Newsmax.

TraderPatTX said:

Please continue assume that I'm some religious zealot since I have never mentioned religion at all.

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Then you have absolutely no platform to argue on, as abortion is logically a necessity in any developed nation. The pro-forced birth crowd can only attempt appeals to emotion/religious zealotry.

TraderPatTX said:

All that the Supreme Court did was verify that abortion is not in the purview of the federal government and is better left up to the states and the people.

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Effectively ruling that oppression/religious tyranny inflicted by the states is legal, yes. You're free to take that lying down like a good little sheeple, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

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Awfully hypocritical of you to take this standpoint while also praising the government for appealing to your ideals. Your platform would have a lot more integrity if people like you weren't so flip floppy with your ideals.

You support small government but then celebrate when big government steps in to take away women's rights. You support small government but then celebrate when Christian laws get passed on a federal level. You support small government but then want a Republican president. Seems to be you people should be more anarchist than Democrats, but here we are, highlighting the fact that everyone on the right seems to have little to understanding of politics and cry whenever they get called out on their hypocrisy.

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This word salad makes zero sense at all. Nobody has a right to kill another person, regardless of their location, unless in self defense. The issue goes back to the states and you will be forced to debate 3rd trimester abortions, which you cannot. And that's why you are mad.

What Christian law has been passed on the federal level? If you are talking about the Supreme Court decision, that's not a law. Laws are passed by the legislative branch, not the judicial. Take a civics class.

I don't just want a Republican president. I want a president that puts America first. Just like other leaders put their countries first. A Democrat president could do the same. Kennedy tried and was killed for it.

Trust me, you ain't calling me out on anything. All that you are doing is projecting your views onto people you disagree with.

Typical lefty tactic.

Let me tell you what my beliefs are. The Constitution is the law of the land. It should be interpreted as written to have the same meaning as it did by the actual writers. Power should lie with the states close to the people. It's a lot easier for me to go to Tallahassee to protest than it is to go all the way to DC just to be ignored. State representatives also have more incentive to listen to the people since we can just go to their offices locally. It also fosters debate, which the left is horrible at, so I understand why you would want to avoid that. You guys can't even debate Ben Shapiro and he's not even that smart.

Leftist beliefs. Centralized, authoritarian power in DC not answerable to the people. If you can't pass the laws you want, you run to the courts so they can legislate from the bench. It's not very democratic, but the left is never democratic. That's been proven all thru the 20th century from the Soviet Union to China to Cuba to Germany.

Xzi said:

Then you have absolutely no platform to argue on, as abortion is logically a necessity in any developed nation. The pro-forced birth crowd can only attempt appeals to emotion/religious zealotry.


Effectively ruling that oppression/religious tyranny inflicted by the states is legal, yes. You're free to take that lying down like a good little sheeple, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

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There is nothing logical about baby sacrifice. We're not Aztecs praying to some sky god. We just need common sense abortion control. Background checks. Limit to how many you can get. A predetermined waiting period. And it should be taxed. I'm sure you can get behind those suggestions.

Looks like you need to start winning local elections. You're not off to a good start this year but good luck to ya.

Please continue running on abortion and gun control. Those will definitely help you win in November. Your pro-grooming of kindergarteners will be the icing on the cake.

TraderPatTX said:

You make it seem like that only the government and corporate media tell the truth.

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Is that apparent when I posted:

SyphenFreht said:

...Bias rarely provides truth, whether you're on the left, the right, or in between.

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... Or do you always cherry pick what people say to try and prove your own shaky point?

TraderPatTX said:

The corporate media only regurgitates what the government tells them, which is why their ratings are cratering. Seems a little authoritarian to me, but that's what the left likes. Anything to get away from inconvenient debates.

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You say corporate media as if it weren't overrun by Republicans and Democrats alike.

TraderPatTX said:

You haven't proven how this site is filled with fake information except for how you feel about it.

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SyphenFreht said:

But you make it seem like anyone who isn't the government only tells the truth, and that's disingenuous as well. To have the opinion that only the government lies (which is often Republican backed; after all you say the left consistently fails) is naive at best. You post a biased website that hasn't been updated in years to back a biased point and then accuse anyone who disagrees of lying or being manipulated by liars. Bias rarely provides truth, whether you're on the left, the right, or in between. It's like calling me out because I "feel" the statistics are off, but then you only browse sites that show fake statistics that adhere only to the points you think are truthful. The fact of the matter is that you're trying to hold the platform that abortion is an anti minority movement, when there are proven stories of Conservative Republicans utilizing abortions to erase their infidelities.

Imagine thinking you can pull addresses and apply them to a map with made up minority statistics on a website that's all but defunct and trying to pass that off as fact, despite the actual statistics presented being outdated by more than a decade. Even if the statistics were true back then, it's been 12 years. The data is old, irrelevant, and biased toward the Republican control agenda.

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It's biased.
It's using outdated data.
It only provides addresses for abortion clinics, not actual minority statistics.
It's defunct.

Try again.

TraderPatTX said:

There have been more aborted black babies than any other race. You bringing in edge cases of Republicans using abortion doesn't hold water.

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According to what? More falsified statistics? You forget that these statistics are also based upon what information people choose to provide. Not to mention the website you posted is the only website that provides said statistics. If you were that adamant about proving your point, you'd choose more than one website that's over a decade old.

TraderPatTX said:

How does the "Republican control agenda" even make sense if more power is given back to the states and the people? You want control to be centralized in DC or better yet, by the UN, far away from the people. Your argument doesn't even make sense.

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It's easier to control when you can gerrymander Republicans in and lobby politicians using Republican controlled corporations.

I don't want any kind of overarching government control, but I also don't want control being passed down to an individualistic level; people need to be led, not controlled.

Maybe if you actually understood the positions you were trying to argue, they'd make sense. Maybe look up some actual information instead of what Trump says is ok to educate yourself with.

TraderPatTX said:

If I provided something more recent, you would come up with more lame excuses to dismiss it. It's what you do.

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And there it is. You have nothing else to field so you use personal attacks, like what you accuse @Xzi of, in an attempt to validate that indoctrination you call a voice. Again, if you were actually adamant about what you supposedly believe in, you'd provide more than one outdated source to back your claim.

Try again.

TraderPatTX said:

Alex Jones is controlled opposition similar to Fox News and Newsmax.

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Controlled opposition huh? And Trump's a prophet. Face it, you people took an L when it came out that not even Tucker Carlson believes the shit he shovels; you're grasping at Roe v Wade straws because your time of shining is coming to an end and you have nothing else but your own shitty, backwards, inhumane views to thank for that.